Do you realise that Israel is consistently in breach of UN law, resolutions and regulations? Does it matter when its Israel?

Iraq didn't break the resolutions and regulations for self defense reasons. Iraq started a war. It lost. BIG DIFFERENCE.




You have a strange logic if you call invading and occupying other peoples land self-defence. Kind of sums up Israels mentality, attack and we shall call it self-defence. The great western moral setter.

your elected leader G.W. Bush came to power by increasing state killings

The death penalty in Texas can't even begin to be compared to official state stonings of homosexuals in Iran. For you to try to compare the two is laughable.




Not laughable. Death simply isnt that funny. Fact is Bush used killings and 'God' in his role as 'Decider' to get votes and power. He used his office to invade Iraq leaving hundreds of thousands dead. On his watch nearly 3000 died and 3000+ have canme home in body bags.

America is already ruined following Israel and zionism.





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The President of Iran did not deny the Holocaust. He questions the numbers and methods like many others do. Many people were killed during Hitlers reign. 6 million jews is what the Zionists would have you believe, but modern science indicates that number is incorrect. We were all told about the Soap made from the remains of murdered Jews and the lamp shades made from their skin. It was all Zionist propaganda and untrue. The Soap was examined and it was determined to contain a small amount of pork fat but no human fat. The lamp shades were made from Goat skin. There are many myths that Zionists spout regarding the Holocaust. That is what the president of Iran was talking about. Questioning the facts about the Holocaust is not a crime.

He also never stated that Israel should be "wiped off the map." That is an incorrect translation of his words, again promoted by Zionists to stir up trouble.

"Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."

Indeed Zionism should collapse as it is racist in it's very nature. In Israel, genetics defines your fate. That is the very definition of Racism. That does not mean that Israel should disappear, more that it should abide by international laws including the Geneva Conventions, end the illegal occupation, and end the illegal settlements. This is what Ahmadinejad was referring to.

Iran does not have material for nuclear weapons, which Israel keeps complaining about. The IAEA has the cooperation of Iran in their inspections and has stated that Iran does not have weapons grade material nor are they making any. The US Secretary of Defense recently stated that Iran is no where near capable of making nuclear weapons anytime in the near future. Israel would have you believe that Iran is ready to attack with nukes at any moment. The US was dragged into war in Iraq by lies about Weapons of Mass destruction, Israel would love for you to swallow another lie about Irans nuclear capability.

Israel is currently supplying weapons to Georgia, as they know if they attack Iran, they will have to deal with Russia. In a protracted conflict, Russia would need to supply through the Caucus mountains. Arming Georgia could slow that down. Russia has stated that they would back Iran in any conflict started by Israel. Iran has made no indications that it is planning on attacking Israel.

Israel gets 3 Billion dollars a year from the US. Without that cash influx, Israel would not be able to purchase the Jets, and armament they need for war. They could also not afford to conduct a war without US finances, or even to support themselves. Even the Operation Cast Lead in Gaza was conducted with US purchased weapons.

Israel would have a very tough time if they decided to attack Iran, as Iran is quite capable of defending themselves. When it comes to Military Might for a conventional war, Global Firepower has Iran ranked as number 16 in the world, and Israel as number 26. That is why Israel is trying desperately to ramp up US support by using lies and half truths to cloud the issues.

Only $3 billion USD? That is less than I thought, but still too much for me to take. Do you have a link for that number or something that I can reference?

Does anyone have numbers that show how many Americans actually support giving money to Israel?

Israel has every right to exist and wage war, but not on my dime.

Originally posted by tamusan
Only $3 billion USD? That is less than I thought, but still too much for me to take. Do you have a link for that number or something that I can reference?

In the area where I grew up, it was a large Jewish community. I spent some time at Temple with my Jewish friends, and if I am not mistaken, part of the money some Temples collect from their members, is sent to Isreal, also. Who knows then how much they really receive from America.

People freely funding Israel is not a problem for me. The temples can collect all the money they want and send it to Israel.

I have no issue with Jews at all and not many issues with Israel. My main problem is the chance that I might be dragged into a conflict against Iran and I do not believe Iran is a threat to me, my way of life or my home country. I also think if they want to hold a country to U.N. regulations, they should also make themselves accountable. The other thing that bothers me is the free money and support they get for their agenda.

I have a chair made in Israel. I might have a few other things made there, too. I have no problem with that money funding their country. They earned it. I buy from Jewish businesses. I get a service and they get their money. If they send it to fund war, that is their business. If I saw something made in Iran and I needed it, I would also buy it. I buy from China and Russia. What's the difference?

If they want to attack Iran, let them do it. I do not want to be involved beyond the cost of a product or service I pay for.

Good luck, Israel. We have a new front on the war with (insert something here). Gates says we must help Mexico with our military. Oh, boy! A new war to keep us occupied as the banksters reap what our grandchildren might just sow. Never fear. We will be disarmed so we cannot possibly help to arm the criminals in Mexico. It's all just sick. I hope you all can grow gardens like I can and retrieve water from the ground like I can. It's time for revolution in the USA, but, not like Jefferson wanted, I want it to be peaceful and no loss of life and no blood to feed the roots of libery. I would prefer reason to feed the roots of the libery tree. Let's rise above this 18th century thinking and make it work for the 21st century.

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Here is a thought. Persia (Iran) is one of the world’s oldest civilizations. It actually predates the first short lived Israel and the Jewish religion.

The United States is a little over 200 years old.

The second Israel is a little over 60 years old.

Looking at the math here and some of the morality involved as well?

It seems to me the kiddies are trying to tell the grownups what they are supposed to be doing. Not surprisingly they are making a real mess of it.

Maybe if little brother weren’t so intent on falling for everything junior put him up to, little brother would have some of his allowance left.

Maybe if junior wants to go throwing stones all the time at the big kids and stealing their things and keeps pulling the waa, waa, waa, he’s bigger than me thing little brother just ought to tell junior the truth. Yep he sure his, maybe you should learn to play nice.

I think junior needs to learn to behave, and little brother needs to learn to let junior take his lumps or little brother is going to go the way of the first Israel.

Meanwhile Persia will likely always still be there. Pretty much like it always has been. Pretty much like Iraq which sends parts of little brother home in body bags each day.

In the immortal words of Clint Eastwood “A man has to know his limitations”.

Kids who don’t know them tend to not live to old age. I would take a good look in the mirror little brother, and leave junior and big brother to their own devices. It’s a lot cheaper and surer a bet.

Originally posted by Wildbob77
I wouldn't want to live in the middle east. I think that Obama should encourage all Israelis to move to some other country and let the Palestinians have the whole area.

I agree. How about we carve a next good meaty section out of the middle of the United states and force millions of Americans from their homes so that millions of Jews can take over what used to be ours. Sounds like it'll work out great to me.