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Kennedy knighted?? what about the constitution?

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posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by The Lass
I'm struggling through Kennedy's online biographies to find a single good deed he did for the United Kingdom to justify such an award.

I can't find a damned thing.


That's because all of his work was behind the scenes. It's only called "honorary" to avoid the politics. Behind the scenes, the knighthood is very real.




posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 05:34 AM
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this is just the start of things, they have slipped this one in under the radar to test the water, next thing you know Obama will have a full knighthood for his work and bringing the two countries closer together. Selling there soul for a fancy title.



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 05:39 AM
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Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

Article I; Section 9:
No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.


Interesting. Kennedy should have resigned before accepting knighthood.
Of course the catch here is that congress can consent to this knighting and considering how many buddies ol' Kennedy has in congress .. I'm sure they'd okay it.

But he probably should have resigned his seat first.
And that won't happen.

I find it strange that they Knighted Kennedy.
He hasn't done anything in a long, long time.
This is tickling my brain.
It's some kind of nefarious metaphysical knighting ... that's my guess.



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 05:52 AM
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skeptic1,

I was replying to the OP. I hadn't heard about this but I did see it on the news this morning. Thank you for giving a source.



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 06:11 AM
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As long as he doesn't give the queen a lift home after the ceremony.

His service to Northern Ireland was the usual bumbling interference of an outsider ensuring paramilitary factions maintained their spending money until 9/11 when at last "Irish-Americans" woke up and realised a bomb in the middle of a city isn't such a good idea after all.



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 06:46 AM
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Source



1. President Bush (Sr) 1996
2. Rudy Guiliani (2002)
3. Bill Gates (2005)
4. Alan Greenspan (2002)
5. J Edgar Hoover
6. Steven Spielberg
7. Douglas Fairbanks Jr.
8. Billy Graham
9. Bob Hope (born in England but a US citizen)
10. Henry Kissinger


Man, those are some people I really admire.



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by Wotan
What the hell difference does it make if he did get an honory knighthood. It doesnt give him any special powers or anything.

Honours from foreign powers are confered to foreigners all the time.

If i was awarded the ''American Congressional Medal of the Grand Poobah with Double Oak Leaves and Gold Cross'', would that make people jealous and make me special? ......... if so, I want one


Since you're British, I'll be gentle and try to explain the difference because you obviously (as well as many, many Americans) don't understand the significance of the United States Constitution in our daily lives.

The Constitution outlines the LIMITS of federal government's encroachment into the people's lives, therefore, ANY encroachment unto the constitution itself is an encroachment on the people. The only way we, the people, can limit what federal laws are passed to govern us is by upholding the United States Constitution. Therefore, ANY degradation of the constitution MATTERS.

Aside from the fact that the constitution EXPLICITLY makes it ILLEGAL for a sitting Senator to accept a title from a FOREIGN QUEEN (actually it says King), it plainly IS NOT appropriate. He is a sitting Senator in the Congress of the United States. The Congress of the United States is the Legislative arm of the Federal Government of the United States. The Legislature is the group of people who write and pass FEDERAL LAWS. Therefore, titles bestowed on these people from FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS are NOT APPROPRIATE NOR LEGAL.



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 08:21 AM
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yes^^ what the human said!



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 10:13 AM
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Seriously republicans. Get over your hatred. Guess who else was knighted? Ronald Reagan! A man the GOP considers the second coming of Jesus. So unless you believe RR ate the brains of babies and drank kittens blood don't accuse TK of the same thing for being knighted.



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by JMasters
Seriously republicans. Get over your hatred. Guess who else was knighted? Ronald Reagan! A man the GOP considers the second coming of Jesus. So unless you believe RR ate the brains of babies and drank kittens blood don't accuse TK of the same thing for being knighted.


Wow! Touchy aren't we? So touchy, in fact, that you don't even bother to understand what this thread is about??

For the record, I don't consider myself a republican as I have voted on all three of the different sides of the aisles in elections. I DO consider myself a constitutionalist for the reasons listed above in one of my replies.

As far as Ronald Reagan goes, yes I do think he was one of the best president's we've had but I also think JFK for his short tenure was too.

Now so you're not confused by your ignorance of what the thread's about... Senator Kennedy is a member of the LEGISLATURE not the EXECUTIVE BRANCH. He is not a president, he is a congressman. Because he is a congressman, his actions are ruled by Article 1 of the United States Constitution. Article 1, Section 9 plainly states that

No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.


The Executive Branch is under a separate article in the United States Constitution. So, when you talk about PRESIDENTS you have to refer to Article II of the United States Constitution.

Seriously...... take a refresher and READ the constitution before you show your ignorance again.



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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Does the U.S. Constitution prohibit Congress awarding its Gold Medal to foreign Heads of Government e.g. Tony Blair ??

Mr Blair had his very own Congressional bauble awarded in 2003, while British Prime Minister. He still hasn't bothered to collect it. Obviously not all that glistens is gold.



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 11:54 PM
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Once again, RR was knighted. So either he ate the brains of kittens and drank the blood of babies like you accuse TK of doing for being kinghted OR its just an honorary title and you haters need to get over it.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 12:35 AM
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Is it because we all like the constitution and the rules that our founding fathers delivered to us to protect us from the injustice that we are currently witnessing, that scares you? Something scares you about following rules. No one said anything bad about Reagan and yet you make some statement that he's eating brains because he was appointed as an honorary knight of the queen. Which is against the law in the US. Do you live in the US and if so do you follow any laws or does it not matter if laws are followed? Does it matter if the rules of law are followed by those that lead us or is it OK for them to break all the rules that have been made to protect our country?

Use some common sense, they have rules and laws for a reason.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 12:37 AM
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While not my favorite thing in the world, the Constitution states the title can only be granted to someone with the permission of Congress. No doubt Kennedy obtained it, so nothing illegal is afoot here. Chill.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 12:57 AM
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Oh, because it happened and you heard about it, it is legal and has been OKd by congress? That's great thinking. And do you have any questions about your government and anything they've done? They must have been OKd for everything then, like the 2 or 3 trillion dollars they lost and admitted on Sept 10th. But they mentioned it so it must be legal.

ATS seems to have lost much of the common sense lately...



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by JMasters
Once again, RR was knighted. So either he ate the brains of kittens and drank the blood of babies...


He probably did a lot more then that.

If people knew what was truly the reasons for these "honorary knighthoods", they would be terrified.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:00 AM
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Congress has not given their consent and will not be asked to. I guess the constitution doesn't matter as long as you're Ted Kennedy.

Sir Ted: unconstitutional?


But Mark Heibrun, a partner at Jenner and Block and a specialist in Article I of the constitution said the clause “without the consent of Congress” makes all the difference .

“Those are the key words,” Heilbrun said. "I think Congress can do anything they want here but I wouldn’t expect it to even go that far."

“Kennedy has a lot of admirers and it would be crazy and unpopular to procedurally block this,” Heilbrun added. "How horrible would it be for the Republican Party to do?”



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