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Rush to the President: Debate Me

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posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by GLDNGUN

"Since the adminstration has stated that Rush Limbaugh is the head of the GOP, and President Obama has stated his desire to work with the GOP, will he accept Rush's offer to talk about the issues?"

There is a big difference between talking and debating. When you talk with someone it is open minded when you debate someone is to agree to a pre existing argument. The problem with people who like to throw their weight around and listen to themselves talk as Rush loves to do is that they go into any conversation with a closed mind and a mentality that he is right and he knows he is right and there is nothing anyone can say to change his mind because that would be an admission that he was wrong. Rush does not do talking. Rush talks AT people, not TO them. If the President were wanting to talk to someone to represent the GOP than choosing Rush would be the last thing he should do because Rush is incapable of talking to anyone who does not share his point of view.




posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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You don't work with somebody by debating them. Especially when that person doesn't have any influence on policy decisions!

You work with someone by making compromises with them. You let them air their complaints, sure. You air your complaints. Then you find middle-ground...

Debating a radio talk-show host is an exercise in futility and you know it.
This type of debate is a one-upsmanship exercise for radio ratings.

This entire thread is a waste of time and space.



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Why would President Obama debate anybody? He's already done that PRIOR to succeeding Bush. As President, there would be no need for him to accept such a low grade challenge. And if he becomes aware of this challenge, he'll probably make some kind of joke of it anyway. This is not something President Obama is going to take seriously. I can't believe this guy wants to challenge the president. Who does he think he is...Osama Bin Laden? I know it's not that extreme but I'm just sayin', this guy is way out of his element.



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by griffinrl
 


I don't buy that it's a rating issue.

The Dems have been going after Rush and the Republicans quite often lately and he finally called them on it.


Bottom Line....

Rush is about as entertaining as a flagellating clown...no doubt about it.

The GOP has been fighting a civil war for their own party for the past several months and Rush is getting a lot of attention from the dimwit wing of the GOP...they are confusing his ratings for an ideology that might save them.

The Democrats should not be trying to capitalize on Rush's upsurge in popularity in a given wing of the GOP with spin and attacks. They should be focused on the economy and doing the people’s business and let Rush and crew hang themselves which left alone they will inevitably do..

Lastly President Obama shouldn't have given any credence to Rush with that "listening to Rush" statement. BUT it is the democratic strategists, not President Obama who are trying to capitalize on Rush’s popularity with the GOP...and it's a dumb strategy.

And no...President Obama won't be debating Rush anytime soon.
I imagine he will call the DNC and tell them to stop the spin campaign against Rush, grow the ef up and get back to work.



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
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Oh no, this would actually be Rush's dream come true.
If Obama were to actually go on the show (no chance in hell) Limbaugh would laugh all the way to the bank.
He would act as he always does with callers (like a complete jerk) in the hopes that Obama would get flustered.
Limbaugh would be spinning everything to the emotive and when Obama went there, Rush would win.

Then the Republicans would REALLY have something to hold over his head.

Like I said before, you cannot possibly win such a debate. Rush controls the flow. He is like the moderator/participant...

Hell, I'll debate ANYONE on those terms... and win every time.
It is a fool's errand.

PS - As it stands now, Rush knows Obama won't take him up and he'll talk about it from now to eternity how Obama was too cowardly to oblige him. In reality, Obama has many more important matters on his hand than to debate with a brick wall.

[edit on 4-3-2009 by Jay-in-AR]


Obviously if Obama were to actually agree to a debate there would be rules that both would abide by. If Rush violated those rules that would be the story rather than the debate. There is NO WAY Rush would spoil the opportunity to bury Obama.

Rush doesn't need any "tricks" to win a debate with Obama because he (or any conservative) can win a debate with a socialiast like Obama on the strength on their ideas.

Rush is not a "complete jerk" with his callers. He allows them to say their piece, then Rush has his turn. Rush is a lot more lenient with liberal callers than liberal hosts are with conservative callers.

As for Obama debating a brick wall, he can do that 24/7 as far as I'm concerned. Give him less time to destroy what's left.



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by branty
Why would the Pres of the US want to debate a "crack head"


Well, since Obama has admitted doing drugs himself, maybe they could 'relate' better?



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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Yes that sounds plausible.
Let's have a self important, burnt out, drug addicted, disconnected loud mouth debate the president.

Why not have the KKK debate obmama too while we're at it



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 05:57 PM
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i think the world would be a better place if things got back to black or white right or wrong and eliminatete the shades of gray

Yeah, it would be nice if we could see things as either right or wrong, but reality seldom works that way. In reality, there is good and bad in every idea, in every move. Welfare is a good thing, right? I mean, it helps people who would otherwise turn to crime or starve. But welfare is a bad thing, too. It makes people lazy and dependent on a red-tape dance routine that the government employs to keep them from becoming a productive member of society.

There really is no black and white outside of video games. There is no absolute right or wrong in most instances. Well, except that it is bad fro me to have to listen to Rush Windbag on CNN today...


The only real hope we have is to keep the fighting going in DC. That's why I hope the Congress now turns Republican in two years... not because I like the Republicans, but because I don't trust either of the parties. Next election, imagine each candidate as a paid assassin looking for you... would you trust him to not pull the trigger?

Gives you a whole new perspective on politics...

TheRedneck



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by Smack


You are absolutely correct! Anyone that takes a trip to the Dominican Repubic and has Viagra on him MUST be a child rapist! Brilliant! Who needs proof, evidence, or a trial???


Considering he is a flatulent, draft dodging, drug gobbling hypocrite and liar - yes, absolutely! He is a phony, a fraud and has no place in the political discussion anymore.

This is nothing more than a distraction from important issues. Crooks are running this government. Nothing has changed except that there are new faces -- and a lot of the old faces. The criminals that gave us Katrina' aftermath are still here. Those that lied us into war with Iraq are still here. The crooks that bankrupted us are still here - in power and posing as our new saviors. This is the same government, leading us down the same path to utter ruin and you want to spew this rubbish?

Shame on you!


[edit on 4-3-2009 by Smack]


What rubbish is that? The President's henchmen call out Rush and say he's the head of the party that they want to work with. Rush is saying, "ok, let's get it on".

If you think the whole thread is rubbish, then by all means hop on to one that's "really important".



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by NephraTari

Originally posted by GLDNGUN

"Since the adminstration has stated that Rush Limbaugh is the head of the GOP, and President Obama has stated his desire to work with the GOP, will he accept Rush's offer to talk about the issues?"

There is a big difference between talking and debating. When you talk with someone it is open minded when you debate someone is to agree to a pre existing argument. The problem with people who like to throw their weight around and listen to themselves talk as Rush loves to do is that they go into any conversation with a closed mind and a mentality that he is right and he knows he is right and there is nothing anyone can say to change his mind because that would be an admission that he was wrong. Rush does not do talking. Rush talks AT people, not TO them. If the President were wanting to talk to someone to represent the GOP than choosing Rush would be the last thing he should do because Rush is incapable of talking to anyone who does not share his point of view.


You mean as opposed to Obama who has an open mind? ROFL

You are missing the entire point of a debate. When you have a debate with someone with a large audience, you aren't debating the person in hopes of changing his/her mind, you are debating in hopes of changing the mind of those listening. You try to make your argument more persuasive than the other argument.

Do you think Obama is going to come away from a debate with Rush and say "You know what? You're right! Government shouldn't be running everything!". Hardly.



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by GLDNGUN
What rubbish is that? The President's henchmen call out Rush and say he's the head of the party that they want to work with. Rush is saying, "ok, let's get it on".


Correction...Rush is head of the party that they DON'T want to work with, that is the point. The GOP that still has their heads screwed on straight and actually has principles and ideas to debate...THAT is the GOP that they want to sit across a table from. NOT people being led by a shock jock.



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by GLDNGUN
 


You don't work with somebody by debating them. Especially when that person doesn't have any influence on policy decisions!

You work with someone by making compromises with them. You let them air their complaints, sure. You air your complaints. Then you find middle-ground...

Debating a radio talk-show host is an exercise in futility and you know it.
This type of debate is a one-upsmanship exercise for radio ratings.

This entire thread is a waste of time and space.



Rush is actually very influential. When the government was trying to ram amnesty down our throats, it was Rush (as well as other hosts) who rallied enough calls to Congress to defeat it. Even some GOP senators were saying "we've got to do something about this talk radio".

When the GOP swept in to Congressional power in 1994, they made Rush an honorary member because he was pointed out as being one of the main factors if not THE MAIN factor.

You think this is all about radio ratings? I'm sure Rush would be more than happy to donate all of the ad money for the day to a charity.

If Rush was as meaningless as you say, Obama wouldn't be ganging up on him and the democrats wouldn't be looking for a way to shut him up. Now would they?

And if you think the thread is a big waste of time, I'm sure you can find a way to remedy that.



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
Why would President Obama debate anybody? He's already done that PRIOR to succeeding Bush. As President, there would be no need for him to accept such a low grade challenge. And if he becomes aware of this challenge, he'll probably make some kind of joke of it anyway. This is not something President Obama is going to take seriously. I can't believe this guy wants to challenge the president. Who does he think he is...Osama Bin Laden? I know it's not that extreme but I'm just sayin', this guy is way out of his element.


Ok, here we go. I'll try to keep it as simple as possible (again).

Obama claims he wants to work with and "engage" the GOP, right? Isn't that his big claim that he's not "partisan politics as usual"? So, Obama is on record that he wants to work with the GOP.

Well, if you are going to work with another group - whatever that group is, who do you work with? The leader of the group, perhaps? Or what's the point?

So, WHO is the leader of the GOP? Well, according to the Obama White House, they have proclaimed Rush Limbaugh as the leader of the party.

So, IF Obama really wants to "engage" the GOP and IF Obama really thinks Rush is the head of the GOP, then he should gladly accept an invitation to talk about the issues with Rush.

Of course, Obama won't do it because he is LYING on BOTH counts. Obama is NOT interested in working with the GOP. Obama knows that Rush is NOT the head of the GOP.

The Obama WH is simply playing a game, trying to make Rush Limbaugh the issue rather than how badly Obama is doing with his OTJ training.

So, Rush is calling their bluff. Game over.



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by griffinrl
 


I don't buy that it's a rating issue.

The Dems have been going after Rush and the Republicans quite often lately and he finally called them on it.


Bottom Line....

Rush is about as entertaining as a flagellating clown...no doubt about it.

The GOP has been fighting a civil war for their own party for the past several months and Rush is getting a lot of attention from the dimwit wing of the GOP...they are confusing his ratings for an ideology that might save them.

The Democrats should not be trying to capitalize on Rush's upsurge in popularity in a given wing of the GOP with spin and attacks. They should be focused on the economy and doing the people’s business and let Rush and crew hang themselves which left alone they will inevitably do..

Lastly President Obama shouldn't have given any credence to Rush with that "listening to Rush" statement. BUT it is the democratic strategists, not President Obama who are trying to capitalize on Rush’s popularity with the GOP...and it's a dumb strategy.

And no...President Obama won't be debating Rush anytime soon.
I imagine he will call the DNC and tell them to stop the spin campaign against Rush, grow the ef up and get back to work.


I think you hit bottom with your "bottom line".

Rush rallied the GOP after Clinton took office in 1992, and the GOP enjoyed a massive landslide win in 1994. Obama is terrified of the same thing happening again. This is why he is trying to ram things down our throats before we even have time to chew or read what he's serving up. This is also why Obama is so busy at trying to demonize Rush.

You are right that Obama shouldn't be wasting his time on Rush, but that would require acting like an adult and actually having a serious discussion of all of these "goodies" he wants. No time for that, though.



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by GLDNGUN
 


Yes that sounds plausible.
Let's have a self important, burnt out, drug addicted, disconnected loud mouth debate the president.

Why not have the KKK debate obmama too while we're at it


Who's the drug addicted, self-important loud-mouth again? I'm getting confused.

And what does the KKK have to do with anything???



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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Personally, I think both parties need disbanded, and anyone in office, or working for those in office of either party THROWN THE HELL OUT.

From the Prez on down- just plain ejected into the street with their belongings. Empty Washington to the bare walls.

We need a complete and fresh start- no insiders, no Rush, no 2 party bullpuckey. Let's have a real person be President... Tho at this late in the game, we might need a half dozen at once....



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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i remember hearing that, indeed, there are more trees in PA now then when we discovered it. hard to believe but i hear its true. im not fact checking though, this was something i remember from like 3rd grade (Im 21 so)...



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by branty
Why would the Pres of the US want to debate a "crack head"


OH that's priceless,

You do know Obama admitted to doing coc aine don't you?

LMAO



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by GLDNGUN
What rubbish is that? The President's henchmen call out Rush and say he's the head of the party that they want to work with. Rush is saying, "ok, let's get it on".


Correction...Rush is head of the party that they DON'T want to work with, that is the point. The GOP that still has their heads screwed on straight and actually has principles and ideas to debate...THAT is the GOP that they want to sit across a table from. NOT people being led by a shock jock.


Let me translate that for you. Obama only wants to work with republicans that he can "flip". If they jump on board with his plan, oh boy, he'll be happy as a clam to "work with them". Obama does NOT want to work with republicans that will not go along with his policies designed to destroy the country.

Rush is a "shock jock"? ROFL

I guess in this day and age, speaking common sense American values is considered "shock".



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by branty
Why would the Pres of the US want to debate a "crack head"


OH that's priceless,

You do know Obama admitted to doing coc aine don't you?

LMAO


I hate imagine what he hasn't admitted to.




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