Rush to the President: Debate Me

Originally posted by powski
reply to post by jd140

 

The main difference, among others, is flagrant hypocrisy. Everyone understands that but you. W admitted he smoked pot when he was young, and I don't hold it against him at all.

You're either pretending to be dense, and you'll never, ever, stop, or you are in fact, dense.

There is no correct way to respond to you at this point that doesn't break the terms and conditions of the website. Seriously. No other option.

I understand the hypocracy of it. If that is all thats holding you back will you not support President Obama if I show you that he to is a hypocrite?

Originally posted by jd140

Originally posted by GLDNGUN
"One difference is that Rush was being a hypocrite to millions of listeners while his illegal drug use took place."

And, (once again) the proof of this IS?

He actually issued a radio apology for this on his show. He was having backpain I believe and was addicted to painkillers that were issued to him by his doctor. If I'm remembering the right person.

The thing about that is painkillers are very addictive and are perscribed. Cocaine is not perscribed, so that was a personal choice President Obama made. Where as Rush (again, if I'm remembering the right person) made a quality of life choice and ended up getting hooked on them, as thousands of Americans do.

Still wrong, but thats your differance.

You are correct. These other posters keep saying that Rush was doing all of this bashing of drug abusers WHILE ABUSING DRUGS HIMSELF. All I've asked for is proof of that statement. So far, I just keep seeing the same claim with NOTHING to support it.

Maybe when Obummer is talking with Rush, Rush can give him some tips on how to kick the cigarette habit.

Now I'm sure all of the Rush bashers here accusing Rush of hypocricy will call Obama a hypocrite for being a smoker, yet running a government that tells us not to smoke.

I would strongly bet that Obama will NOT debate Rush...
I mean, has a president ever entered a debate after theyve won the presidency? (I seriously don't know, but I don't think so)

Originally posted by Odessy
I would strongly bet that Obama will NOT debate Rush...
I mean, has a president ever entered a debate after theyve won the presidency? (I seriously don't know, but I don't think so)

Clinton and Gingrich had "debates" of sorts after the 1994 election, making public appearances to discuss issues they disagreed on.

Whether you want to call it a debate, a talk, or whatever, you are correct that Obama will NOT debate, discuss, or talk policy with Rush in a public forum.

Originally posted by GLDNGUN
"One difference is that Rush was being a hypocrite to millions of listeners while his illegal drug use took place."

And, (once again) the proof of this IS?

I didn't see him do anything. Could all be make believe.

He admitted on the air he'd gotten addicted to pain killers. He got arrested for "doctor shopping" and made a plea deal with prosecution where he paid a large fine and agreed to go into therapy for 18 months. Very easy to get addicted to that stuff.

Shortly after that, he was apprehended with a Viagra prescription not in his name.

It could all be a set up, and he's never intentionally broke any law in his life.
I do not have any hard evidence that prove he did. Admittedly, pure speculation on my part.

But if he did, if he ever was using drugs illegally, then he is a big hypocrite.
Agreed?

Originally posted by jd140

Originally posted by powski
reply to post by jd140

 

The main difference, among others, is flagrant hypocrisy. Everyone understands that but you. W admitted he smoked pot when he was young, and I don't hold it against him at all.

You're either pretending to be dense, and you'll never, ever, stop, or you are in fact, dense.

There is no correct way to respond to you at this point that doesn't break the terms and conditions of the website. Seriously. No other option.

I understand the hypocracy of it. If that is all thats holding you back will you not support President Obama if I show you that he to is a hypocrite?

A hypocritical politician!? No WAY dude.

I'm not a fan of his. We're done, thanks.

Originally posted by powski

Originally posted by GLDNGUN
"One difference is that Rush was being a hypocrite to millions of listeners while his illegal drug use took place."

And, (once again) the proof of this IS?

I didn't see him do anything. Could all be make believe.

He admitted on the air he'd gotten addicted to pain killers. He got arrested for "doctor shopping" and made a plea deal with prosecution where he paid a large fine and agreed to go into therapy for 18 months. Very easy to get addicted to that stuff.

Shortly after that, he was apprehended with a Viagra prescription not in his name.

It could all be a set up, and he's never intentionally broke any law in his life.
I do not have any hard evidence that prove he did. Admittedly, pure speculation on my part.

But if he did, if he ever was using drugs illegally, then he is a big hypocrite.
Agreed?

NO! Show me your "proof". Not proof that he was addicted to the pain killers prescribed for his back pain. He's admitted to that. The proof of him being a hypocrite about it.

reply to post by powski


No doubt that he was using while saying other users should be in jail. He is a hypocrite in that regard. While at the time he may not have acknowledged that he was addicted to the painkillers. Most painkiller addicts get to where they think they are always in pain so they use more. Still not a good excuse.

The viagra thing is a tough one for me. It isn't a drug in the sense that it messes with your reflexes and mind. Over using could make walking difficult, thats the only real downside to viagra. But it is a perscription drug and he did abuse it.

reply to post by GLDNGUN



Dude, he admitted to it on radio. He was yelling about it for years before he got caught being addicted. We all know it to be true, why do you want a newsclip of it?

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by GLDNGUN

 

Dude, he admitted to it on radio. He was yelling about it for years before he got caught being addicted. We all know it to be true, why do you want a newsclip of it?

Rush was yelling about it while addicted himself? All I've asked for is some quotes. I think you have been tricked by the Rush bashers.

And he was not "abusing" Viagra. What are you talking about? He had a prescription for it. The name on the bottle was his doctor's because his doctor told him he could put his name on it instead of his patient's. He said he would do this to protect Rush's privacy. Now if the doctor was wrong, so be it, but there's no evidence that Rush was "abusing" Viagra, and Rush was not found guilty of any crime.

Originally posted by GLDNGUN

Originally posted by powski

Originally posted by GLDNGUN
"One difference is that Rush was being a hypocrite to millions of listeners while his illegal drug use took place."

And, (once again) the proof of this IS?

I didn't see him do anything. Could all be make believe.

He admitted on the air he'd gotten addicted to pain killers. He got arrested for "doctor shopping" and made a plea deal with prosecution where he paid a large fine and agreed to go into therapy for 18 months. Very easy to get addicted to that stuff.

Shortly after that, he was apprehended with a Viagra prescription not in his name.

It could all be a set up, and he's never intentionally broke any law in his life.
I do not have any hard evidence that prove he did. Admittedly, pure speculation on my part.

But if he did, if he ever was using drugs illegally, then he is a big hypocrite.
Agreed?

NO! Show me your "proof". Not proof that he was addicted to the pain killers prescribed for his back pain. He's admitted to that. The proof of him being a hypocrite about it.

NO!

Read again. The part where I say I have no proof. He made a plea deal and avoided a conviction. I said it may all be make-believe or a set-up too.

I was arguing with someone who believes that both did in fact, do drugs illegally, and was pointing out in that case why people would react differently.

But we are done with that discussion, and jd and I are turning a new page in our ATS careers.

Originally posted by powski

Originally posted by GLDNGUN

Originally posted by powski

Originally posted by GLDNGUN
"One difference is that Rush was being a hypocrite to millions of listeners while his illegal drug use took place."

And, (once again) the proof of this IS?

I didn't see him do anything. Could all be make believe.

He admitted on the air he'd gotten addicted to pain killers. He got arrested for "doctor shopping" and made a plea deal with prosecution where he paid a large fine and agreed to go into therapy for 18 months. Very easy to get addicted to that stuff.

Shortly after that, he was apprehended with a Viagra prescription not in his name.

It could all be a set up, and he's never intentionally broke any law in his life.
I do not have any hard evidence that prove he did. Admittedly, pure speculation on my part.

But if he did, if he ever was using drugs illegally, then he is a big hypocrite.
Agreed?

NO! Show me your "proof". Not proof that he was addicted to the pain killers prescribed for his back pain. He's admitted to that. The proof of him being a hypocrite about it.

NO!

Read again. The part where I say I have no proof. He made a plea deal and avoided a conviction. I said it may all be make-believe or a set-up too.

I was arguing with someone who believes that both did in fact, do drugs illegally, and was pointing out in that case why people would react differently.

But we are done with that discussion, and jd and I are turning a new page in our ATS careers.

That's fine. You are now on record of accusing someone of being a hypocrite and having NO PROOF.

It's usually a good idea to have some sort of source, evidence, etc. to back up a claim if you want to be taken seriously.

reply to post by GLDNGUN


Limbaugh's opponents will likely call him a hypocrite after Friday's confession, since he has criticized crack addicts in the past and said drug offenders should be thrown in jail like any other criminals.

In the past, Limbaugh has decried drug use and abuse on his bluntly conservative show, mocking President Bill Clinton for not inhaling and often making the case that drug crimes deserve punishment.

"Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. ... And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up," Limbaugh said on his short-lived television show on Oct. 5, 1995.


There you go. And no I haven't been tricked by anyone. I call it like I see it. I am a huge Rush fan, but I will call him out. Just like I will President Obama.

www.foxnews.com...

Originally posted by GLDNGUN

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by GLDNGUN

 

Dude, he admitted to it on radio. He was yelling about it for years before he got caught being addicted. We all know it to be true, why do you want a newsclip of it?

Rush was yelling about it while addicted himself? All I've asked for is some quotes. I think you have been tricked by the Rush bashers.

Here's the Fox news story where Rush claims he was addicted to pain killers:

www.foxnews.com...

It's from 2003 and he says he began taking the pills "some years ago", and he was seeking help. He became hooked.
With the fuzziness of the dates he's supplied it's hard to pinpoint when this all took place.

There are quotes by him in this Fox News article that he was strongly against drugs use. And that "too many whites are getting away with drug use."

But he was a drug user, and addicted.

Would he be less of a hypocrite if he made the anti-drug statements before he got addicted, and then changed his mind on the subject after the fact, or softened a bit, but kept quiet?

And if he was Doctor shopping, like was arrested for, and made plea deals because of, whoa.

reply to post by powski


Beat you to it .

Back to our little spat.

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by GLDNGUN

 

Limbaugh's opponents will likely call him a hypocrite after Friday's confession, since he has criticized crack addicts in the past and said drug offenders should be thrown in jail like any other criminals.

In the past, Limbaugh has decried drug use and abuse on his bluntly conservative show, mocking President Bill Clinton for not inhaling and often making the case that drug crimes deserve punishment.

"Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. ... And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up," Limbaugh said on his short-lived television show on Oct. 5, 1995.


There you go. And no I haven't been tricked by anyone. I call it like I see it. I am a huge Rush fan, but I will call him out. Just like I will President Obama.

www.foxnews.com...

So you found a quote from 1995. Where is the evidence that he was breaking any drug laws at the time?

It was in 2003 that he admitted to being addicted to the medication that had been prescribed for him by his doctor. IS that a crime? He wasn't charged with any "drug addiction" crime, and eventually the single drug-related charge against him was dropped.

Again, the people screaming "hypocrite!" keep saying he was abusing drugs while calling for drug abusers to be jailed.

Unless someone has proof that Rush was illegally obtaining and taking drugs in 1995, then their argument is without merit.

Why,should Obama even talk to Rush? he's beneath him and besides why not have Rush show some actual guts and have the "debate" at the White House? not in the comfort of his cushy little studio with his various flunkies controlling the entire "debate" we all know if Obama backs Rush into a corner he will revert to type and bluster and whine.

reply to post by GLDNGUN


Really you should read the article, its from 2003. The quote I pulled even said that in the past (before he admitted his problem) he called for drug abusers to be jailed.

Really you are just hurting our stance by being so bull headed about it. It is right there in your face and you keep yelling for proof.


Edit - He was an addict, that is what someone who has an addiction is called.


[edit on 5-3-2009 by jd140]

Originally posted by GLDNGUN

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by GLDNGUN

 

Limbaugh's opponents will likely call him a hypocrite after Friday's confession, since he has criticized crack addicts in the past and said drug offenders should be thrown in jail like any other criminals.

In the past, Limbaugh has decried drug use and abuse on his bluntly conservative show, mocking President Bill Clinton for not inhaling and often making the case that drug crimes deserve punishment.

"Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. ... And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up," Limbaugh said on his short-lived television show on Oct. 5, 1995.


There you go. And no I haven't been tricked by anyone. I call it like I see it. I am a huge Rush fan, but I will call him out. Just like I will President Obama.

www.foxnews.com...

So you found a quote from 1995. Where is the evidence that he was breaking any drug laws at the time?

It was in 2003 that he admitted to being addicted to the medication that had been prescribed for him by his doctor. IS that a crime? He wasn't charged with any "drug addiction" crime, and eventually the single drug-related charge against him was dropped.

Again, the people screaming "hypocrite!" keep saying he was abusing drugs while calling for drug abusers to be jailed.

Unless someone has proof that Rush was illegally obtaining and taking drugs in 1995, then their argument is without merit.

Not completely without merit. He admitted to abusing painkillers. He checked himself into clinics for this multiple times.

A copy of his search warrant affidavit:

www.thesmokinggun.com...

His housekeeper admits to selling him large quantities of pharmaceutical drugs over the course of many years, and provided information on the drug dealer, corroborated, that they obtained these from to sell to Mr. Limbaugh.

It also details him receiving prescription medications from 4 different physicians over a 5 month period, of controlled substances with a similar narcotic effect.
From the affidavit, "These prescriptions were issued sometimes in the same week and less than 30 days apart. The prescriptions issued by each physician clearly indicate the number of pills to be taken per day and number of pills prescribed. Mr. Limbaugh alternated physicians to obtain overlapping prescriptions indicating a failure to disclose the existing relationship with other physicians, with the previous prescribing physician to obtain excessive amounts of controlled substances to support his addiction."

Then on page 6 - exhibit A, evidence of the drugs that were prescribed, the dates, the quantities, etc.

I don't find it very hard to believe that Rush, an admitted pain killer addict,
hardcore enough for multiple rehab stints, did what he could to get what he needed.

You might.

But I'd guess outside of his staunchest defenders, common sense probably wins over here. Even his defenders in this thread can connect the dots.
He's only human, sheesh.
He was severely addicted, and bought drugs from his maid, who could get them, and Doctor shopped to get more. It's a reasonable assumption, at the very least.

Most of the links I've seen to his quotes damning drug users, and calling for stricter laws and sentences against them are from the 1990s. I don't know if he changed his tune after or during the period he was an addict. Did he? You're a fan. I'll take your word, no proof required.
Would it be less hypocritical if this talk was ONLY prior to that? Yeah, somewhat.
But still hypocritical unless he completely reversed his position.

Originally posted by GLDNGUN

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by GLDNGUN

 

Limbaugh's opponents will likely call him a hypocrite after Friday's confession, since he has criticized crack addicts in the past and said drug offenders should be thrown in jail like any other criminals.

In the past, Limbaugh has decried drug use and abuse on his bluntly conservative show, mocking President Bill Clinton for not inhaling and often making the case that drug crimes deserve punishment.

"Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. ... And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up," Limbaugh said on his short-lived television show on Oct. 5, 1995.


There you go. And no I haven't been tricked by anyone. I call it like I see it. I am a huge Rush fan, but I will call him out. Just like I will President Obama.

www.foxnews.com...

So you found a quote from 1995. Where is the evidence that he was breaking any drug laws at the time?

It was in 2003 that he admitted to being addicted to the medication that had been prescribed for him by his doctor. IS that a crime? He wasn't charged with any "drug addiction" crime, and eventually the single drug-related charge against him was dropped.

Again, the people screaming "hypocrite!" keep saying he was abusing drugs while calling for drug abusers to be jailed.

Unless someone has proof that Rush was illegally obtaining and taking drugs in 1995, then their argument is without merit.

There's a farm near my house, I was going to run by and pick up some more straws you can grasp onto.

Listen to your buddy, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point, unless they have "fail" stars.