What if things improve under Obama?

The fear mongering prophetic threads are nothing new to ATS. I have seen time and time again "the end of the world by aliens" "Iran to strike by 2007" "the pending american civil war" blah blah blah. Iv hear it tonnes of times... but even under Bush and a republican majority, even when I disagreed with them on many things, even though I didnt like Bush all that much, I never gave into the fear mongering threads. I kept an open mind... but never gave into them.

There is a new wave of fear threads coming out... and folks are readily taking the information in neglecting the sources and the agendas behind them, neglecting the history of "false prophets" on this conspiracy website... now Im not flaming ATS... I love this website... I think its great the founders of this website have given us the opportunity to come here and speak of the unspoken... but I just clarify that this is just a conspiracy website where things most likely end up to be false.. and folks forget about that fact and readily take in things as if its the end of the times by good ol' chicken tuesday.

Well anyway.... seeing as virtually 95% of the predictions here have gone nowehere... and the reality that folks just forget about that fact and go onto the next topic.... if things improve under Obama... if the debt decreases enough to be considered significant... if the markets start improving... if nobody has been sent to "Fema camps" or if there has not been a mass raid on gun owners.... if the unemployment rate sinks to below average... if all of those happen under Obama and a Democratic majority (lets say they remain majority after 2010) will folks here credit Obama with that and give dems their due? Will folks admit that the prior threads were little more than fear mongering, that the conspiracy thing was just a stunt by fox news to attract angry Paulers? Will folks here start re-thinking about who they listen to...?

Hypothetically lets say the above happens... will folks here admit they were wrong? Let me give a date to make it easy... 4th July 2012.

I dont want any dodgers... I dont want to hear from folks that it will never happen or you think its already happened or what not... just answer my question above and that would be appreciated....

[edit on 4-3-2009 by Southern Guardian]

If he does something great for the nation, I think that he should be remembered for his contributions. If he does something negative, he should also be remembered for those as well.

Fact of thematteris this, people feel the way they do about things because they see the way things are around them from their own point of views. I wouldnt go and say that it is because of fox news that people feel this way. Not everyone leads their lives from what the TV tells them. Mostof the people on this site dont trust any news outlets for that matter. The people that do, well those are the people that you will be asking for appologies from, not free thinkers.

People come to ATS to talk about things that worry them, and they have the right to discuss things for there are many people out there just like them who feel the same way and see things the same way as they do. If you smell fear, see fear, and taste fear, than it is probably fear, so people will act accordingly. I dont think that the majority of the people on here are really concerned with Obama as a person, I think what they(we) are concerned about is his image of where America needs to be, and what America needs to do. And its not only that, its the fact that many of the people he keeps around him doesnt help the people who doubt him much close the gap between their differences.

I think if Obama does great for this country, he shall get all the respect he deserves, but if he doesnt, he will be one of the most hated presidents of our time right next to Bush. So lets all hope that he does, eventhough things arent looking good for him right now we all have to try and make him succeed by keeping that fire under his ass.

Of course, because he is the first black president. Same as if the situation you described included a female, dwarf, paraplegic or transvestite president. To overcome such odds and be the one that finally brings it all home. Kind of a silly question in my opinion. Presidents get their due if they have excelled. One that can be tagged as a minority for any reason, we will really celebrate. We aren't pond scum, man.



~Hyp


[edit on 4-3-2009 by HypnoAsp]

If things improve, great. I might think about voting Dem next time around. So far I'm not seeing much, other than the same crap that was started by NeoCon Bush. I'm all for improvement, and I don't give a damn who gets us there.

I'm just ready to see it.

i'd hate to be a realist here . . . oh wait, i am a realist!

don't count on it. Obama is a new face in an old role that's not going to change.

Things will improve... for sure

Because it really can't get much worse at a certain point, so figure the slide continues for a couple of years, then it has to get better

because Something will be better than nothing

Okay,

Better might be...oh... I dunno, building a log cabin AFTER the Civil War burns down your house

But hey... technically things will have gotten "better"

Not seeing a mass raid on gun owners?

So we can suffer all sorts of pointless garbage like under Clintons AWB and still call it a success? I dont think so.

I dont care one way or the other about the economy or unemployment rates.

The best any administration can hope for from me Dem or Rep is that my opinion will be "I guess they didnt F me too bad" the important part being either way some jerkwad cant seem to help but F me.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


If things improve under Obama, and I sure hope they do even though I did not vote for him, then I wil be the first to say he did what he promised.

However, so far, he's messed up numerous times and his lack of experience is showing through like a shining beacon, I do not think for one moment that things are going to get THAT much better over the course of the next 4 years.

You also have to remember the President doesn't make the laws, the POTUS only signs them and enforces them, all he can really do is try to pressure Congress to write and pass the laws, if Congress refuses for whatever reason, it's a moot point.

If he can bring down the deficit, "fix" the economy, limit unemployment (so that I can actually find a job), and prevent al-Qaeda from taking over Pakistan, then I would be willing to suspend term limits and let him stay in office until he kicks the bucket. I would be telling my grandchildren that he is the great President in USA history. That would really be very impressive.

Of course, I voted for him, so I don't know if my opinion counts for much.

Originally posted by theWCH
If he can bring down the deficit, "fix" the economy, limit unemployment (so that I can actually find a job), and prevent al-Qaeda from taking over Pakistan, then I would be willing to suspend term limits and let him stay in office until he kicks the bucket. I would be telling my grandchildren that he is the great President in USA history. That would really be very impressive.

Of course, I voted for him, so I don't know if my opinion counts for much.

If he could do all that I would consider voting for him for another term.. I don't think he can though..

Not only will things not improve but they will change drastically for the USA. Once Obama has spent enough money so that we cannot pay the interest on it, the dollar will collapse. And after he has laid enough tax burdens upon the economy. it too will collapse. Once this happens, unemployment will soar. This will lead to civil unrest, riots, etc. Then the real plan will be unveiled upon us all. First, Obama will declare Martial law. Then the military will be called out. Trouble makers will be taken away etc. Then comes the New World Order. A new money system. All people will be given RFID chips and monitored. It will be impossible to buy or sell without being chipped. A new socialist state will rise in America and from there a new constitution and new government sytem erected.

As of this momment, people are being told, "It will get better.. It will get better..." but it will not get better. The Jews in Germany thought it would get better, that Hitler was just a crackpot nut, but he was a sly, devious, dictator who had designs on the world itself.

The only way out for America (if possible) is to wait for 2010 and elect an opposition party to congress, impeach the president for putting the nation in peril and failing to protect it, and put in another. That, and/or for someone to get a hold of Obama's real birth certificate.

Originally posted by vkey08
If he could do all that I would consider voting for him for another term.. I don't think he can though..

I'd be stunned if he can. I'm in the "oh crap, we're screwed" category.

[edit on 4-3-2009 by theWCH]

Most hard leftists and global elites will consider the bringing down of the U.S. economy, the implementation of high taxes whether directly or indirectly through high prices, high energy costs, carbon taxes on everything but our breath, and general third world conditions as an improvement.

Improvement is highly subjective.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Excellent. I think it's more like 99.98% of posts go nowhere, especially when making horrific predictions. It's so easy to scare people.

In 7th grade my teacher told us that the economy must go up and down. Recessions are inevitable. Most people here weren't even born in the late 70's and early 80 when we had the last big recession. I'm not sure but I think he also said that depressions were also a natural occurrence, that they will happen.

I remember as a kid in the late 70's hearing on TV news everyday that the unemployment level was higher than today. We had an "energy crisis" and a standoff with Iran and still fighting the "cold war" with Russia.

Crime was out of control in the cities compared to today, riots, looting, etc. There were "gas lines" and gas rationing.

Since then we rode high on the hog for a long time, so it was coming. Maybe since many shady things have been brought into the light during this, maybe that in itself will make things better.

Our grandparent's got through a real depression, followed by a would war. America didn't disintegrate, there was no civil war, no one got carted away into camps.

We got through it then, we survived and became a great world power, go figure...

Sure I will change my mind.

If things get worse will you turn in your Obama fan club membership?

It strikes me how much of the current situation is already blamed on Obama.

It's been 3 months vs. flippin' 8 years of Bush. Bush and his friends have taken us down the path to the current situation. Not Obama.

He picked up at a point where it could very well be too late already, not matter what you do and how great a President you are.

If the economy does indeed blow up for good and all the fear mongers turn out to be right, I'm sure everybody will blame Barack, while George puts on some more sunscreen and slurps another cocktail and enjoys all the money he made in the last 8 years. It's disgusting.

Originally posted by skeeveve
It strikes me how much of the current situation is already blamed on Obama.

It's been 3 months vs. flippin' 8 years of Bush. Bush and his friends have taken us down the path to the current situation. Not Obama.

He picked up at a point where it could very well be too late already, not matter what you do and how great a President you are.

If the economy does indeed blow up for good and all the fear mongers turn out to be right, I'm sure everybody will blame Barack, while George puts on some more sunscreen and slurps another cocktail and enjoys all the money he made in the last 8 years. It's disgusting.

Yep, its all Bush's fault. Even though Obama has already spent more then the cost of Katrina, Afghanistan and Iraq combined. All that in 3 months. Can't wait for the next 3 years and 9 months.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
What if things improve under Obama?

They won't.

Originally posted by skeeveve
It strikes me how much of the current situation is already blamed on Obama. .

Obama became POTUS during a bad situation. But he's made it worse.
And from the sound of the nonsense he and Pelosi are spewing ... it's
just going to keep getting worse.

What if he didn't spend money? You would crucify him for enjoying the oval office and not doing anything.

He is spending this money to get us out of this mess Bush left behind. Remember, the economy nose-dived in October last year.

Originally posted by skeeveve
What if he didn't spend money? You would crucify him for enjoying the oval office and not doing anything.

He is spending this money to get us out of this mess Bush left behind. Remember, the economy nose-dived in October last year.

How much spending are you going to be okay with? How can you say it is alright to spend a trillion dollars when we do not have it. Sure President Obama says he will cut the deficit in half, but the only way for that to happen is if everything falls together perfectly. Even then the accumulated interest will make it almost impossible to payoff.

He got a bum deal, but you have to hold him responsible for what he is doing. Saying he is doing it because Bush did that is taking all responsibility away from President Obama.