Originally posted by FlyersFan
In Atlas Shrugged it was clear that the dumb didn't realize that they needed the smart. Also - The blue collar workers didn't realize they needed
the white collars to keep things running.
I know, and the white collars are very righteous about it. You and I can debate their value I suppose, but I've supported "The Smart" in my
profession as an IT worker and I can tell you this: The dumb are smarter than they think.
I can't tell you the depth of non-thinking which I've observed as an IT worker crawling under the desks of the supposed Smart People. They wonder
where there email is at. They wonder "where'z my filez?" because they themselves do not have skills to actually do anything much. The supposed
smart of today are actually the graft-class which Rand spoke of. This pertains to all "smart people" in power these days, not just Americans of
course. The real solutions will come from the blue collars not the white.
Her disaster novel about America is coming true, we can probably agree about that fact and build from there.
Here's what I think: The idea of a class war is just sugar coating the fact that those who don't have as much as others, just want to take away from
those that are more successful. Mediocrity hates success.
Foolish in the extreme. I'll go into detail if you wish.
The point of Atlas Shrugged was that those people didn't want to be
useful to society. They just wanted to mooch and loot no matter how
much you try to change them.
Yes and "those people" are in a book, a FANTASY BOOK written by a woman in a fantasy world enabled by her marriage and her great mind (and ability).
Now if you want to talk about people in the real world, I'm there. Out here, the actual dumb people are trying to get smarter. Ayn Ran didn't
help them though she did mock them quite well.
The point of her book was that the dumb didn't want to improve.
They just wanted to feed off the smart. They looted. They did nothing.
I know you are a fan of charity, aren't you? Have I read your other threads where you profess faith in charitable institutions? If so, then how do
you equate such cruel statements above, especially since it's a fake FANTASY world which Rand wrote about?
The "homeless" don't want to be homeless and they aren't lazy. They may be crazy, but they ain't lazy. If we could deal with the crazy, we
could easily deal with the lazy.
And by "homeless" do you mean the thousands of American families who now live in their vehicles? It's a kind of home, isn't it?
Let the dumb commit suicide.
Again, cruel, but I understand the spirit displayed here. You are smart and you feel frustration at those who are not as smart. I've read The Bell
Curve also, and I do not agree that the stupid should be allowed to just die off or that they be prevented from breeding either.
I also struggle against people who might be labelled "dumb" and yet I do love them and want them to live and to thrive. Why am I so "dumb" in
relation to Objectivism which I have analyzed at length and thereafter rejected as a belief system? Because it doesn't allow me to be kind and to
take righteous good feeling for that, as my Creator would have me do. As Jesus said:
11 “What father among you, if his son asks for bread, would give him a stone, or if he asks for a fish, would give him a snake instead of the fish?
12 Or if he asks for an egg, would he give him a scorpion? 13 So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts
to your children, how much
more will the Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who keep asking him!”
I feel that there is a flip side to this scripture: If you know how to do good, and you do not do that, then neither will good be done in return.
What I mean is this: To Jesus (who is superior to Ayn Rand), everyone could have been called "dumb", "stupid" and "evil" (as is the case here),
but even when he caled someone evil, he said al they had to do was to be good to their kids, if that was all they could do. ...Ayn Rand didn't seem
to believe in kids or that they even existed. Why is her book devoid of children yet the man she ignores (Jesus) said "Let the little children come
to me and do not prevent them."?
I am not with Ayn Rand and Paul Erlich who says that useless eaters and crappers are the problem with society. I am instead with Julian Simon and
those "Cornucopians" if you will, who say that each human life has value and that the potentiality of one single human to good, outweighs the
negative aspects. We humans need ALL of each other, not just some of each other. Again, Ayn Rand would say I am an idiot.
[EDITED: Jesus called people evil as did Rand, but he presented a simple solution: BE NICE.]
[edit on 4-3-2009 by smallpeeps]