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Disney and Operation Monarch

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posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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We've all heard this before, but what evidence do we really have? Yeah, Disney is an evil corporation, we know this. The reason I ask is because some of the newer Disney stars are said to be cutting themselves, and it sounds similar to Britney's downward spiral, and then there was this;

www.illuminati-news.com...




posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 05:10 PM
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Disney has gone downhill in the last few decades and gone absolutely INSANE the past 15.

I haven't heard of any Disney Kids cutting themselves, but the majority of their television shows these days make me completely nauseaous.

I'm hoping "Race to Witch Mountain" isn't as lame as I think it's going to be, but I'm going to have to see it anyway.

I have to.

They make me.




*Edit because some numbers aren't quite agreeing with me today.



[edit on 3/3/09 by GENERAL EYES]



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
reply to post by Darky6K
 


Disney has gone downhill in the last few decades and gone absolutely INSANE the past 15.

I haven't heard of any Disney Kids cutting themselves, but the majority of their television shows these days make me completely nauseaous.

I'm hoping "Race to Witch Mountain" isn't as lame as I think it's going to be, but I'm going to have to see it anyway.

I have to.

They make me.




*Edit because some numbers aren't quite agreeing with me today.



[edit on 3/3/09 by GENERAL EYES]


Yeah, there were reports the other day about Miley Cyrus and another cutting themselves. The reason I ask is because I know entertainment can be stressful, but also I have heard of Disney's ties to Monarch, and how that uses MK-ULTRA tactics.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 05:55 PM
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The entertainment industry can be brutal. That's no mystery.

I'm afraid I can't comment on Miss Cyrus or those reports, as I don't really follow those types of things when it comes to news and whatnot...

I'm aware of the allegations of Monarch Programming within Disney and it's works. I don't nessecarily agree with them, as they seem too....lucid.

There are some rather unsavory opportunists in the entertainment industry, no doubt about that - but there are also plenty in the normal day to day world too.

Unless I'm in one of those facilities seeing these things firsthand....I have to retain my skepticism on this issue.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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I think you mean Project Monarch

That Haunted Mansion movie seems crazy (I've never watched it), but so was Cinderella and Snow White.

In American media, violence is often a cover for an otherwise sexual interaction between characters. For example, a man and a woman are quietly driving down the road and suddenly they are killed. This is a metaphor for their unrequited sexual tension. Another example, a boy and a girl are fighting against a mean old man, and come to within an inch of their life. This symbolizes a sexually deviant rapist (a demon maybe?). The children survive, but bear the psychological scars of having been raped.

People said the same thing about The Lion King. I think Disney tried to pull the race card with that franchise.

The Disney Channel itself is simply disgusting. I am noticing that "family" programming has a lot of sexual suggestion in it. I wonder whether they are programming people to anchor sexual foreplay with childhood memories, or they are just providing fan service to adult viewers who might otherwise become bored. A more sick explanation would be that they are enabling adults who sexually traumatize children, and children are made to feel as though they cannot even escape through TV or the movies.

This can't be just a recent phenomenon -- I think a lot of people here know that Alice In Wonderland was simply CS Lewis's collection of pedophile fantasies. The first Matrix movie was based partly on Alice In Wonderland as well, which brings up yet more questions ...



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 06:04 PM
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Disney is part of the MIC. They have been making propaganda films since World war II and have never stopped. Disney was involved with Office of the Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs which was headed up by Nelson Rockefeller. The program was trying to open up South America for exploitation since the Asian and European markets were shut down.

Disney was also involved with the "Atoms for Peace" program during Eisenhower's administration. Those subs at Disneyland on the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea ride? They were actually built by Lockheed Aircraft Corp. which was right next door to Disney Studios. Disney produced trade films for Lockheed, films about aircraft manufacturing, etc.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 06:29 PM
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If you guys want a good look at how Disney sucks the life out of people, may I recommend that you read "Disney War" by James B. Stewart,Pulitzer for "Den of Thieves", Simon & Schuster, 2005.
The author was allowed almost unlimited access to the inner wheels at Disney and has some very interesting stories to tell about Disney- The Corporation.
He glosses nothing and lays on the line for his readers.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 06:40 PM
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I recall that some years ago I heard a WWII music from Disney and it was titled In the Fuhrers Face. If you listen to the Disney music Its a small World Afterall you would think thats it so similar. I suppose I'm showing my age here. Anyways, give a listen if you can find the WWII music. Most interesting indeed.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Brothers
I recall that some years ago I heard a WWII music from Disney and it was titled In the Fuhrers Face. If you listen to the Disney music Its a small World Afterall you would think thats it so similar. I suppose I'm showing my age here. Anyways, give a listen if you can find the WWII music. Most interesting indeed.


I have that, Brothers. It's on a Disney Treasures collection I got that highlights all of Disney's war films. It's all the propaganda stuff, of course they don't call it that, they try to portray Disney as patriotic and fighting for the war effort.

"Der Fuhrers Face" is a short starring Donald Duck where Donald wakes one morning and finds himself in Nazi Germany and Donald himself is a Nazi. It's very bizarre.



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 04:37 AM
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Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
I think you mean Project Monarch

That Haunted Mansion movie seems crazy (I've never watched it), but so was Cinderella and Snow White.

In American media, violence is often a cover for an otherwise sexual interaction between characters. For example, a man and a woman are quietly driving down the road and suddenly they are killed. This is a metaphor for their unrequited sexual tension. Another example, a boy and a girl are fighting against a mean old man, and come to within an inch of their life. This symbolizes a sexually deviant rapist (a demon maybe?). The children survive, but bear the psychological scars of having been raped.

People said the same thing about The Lion King. I think Disney tried to pull the race card with that franchise.

The Disney Channel itself is simply disgusting. I am noticing that "family" programming has a lot of sexual suggestion in it. I wonder whether they are programming people to anchor sexual foreplay with childhood memories, or they are just providing fan service to adult viewers who might otherwise become bored. A more sick explanation would be that they are enabling adults who sexually traumatize children, and children are made to feel as though they cannot even escape through TV or the movies.

This can't be just a recent phenomenon -- I think a lot of people here know that Alice In Wonderland was simply CS Lewis's collection of pedophile fantasies. The first Matrix movie was based partly on Alice In Wonderland as well, which brings up yet more questions ...


I don't get it, how does Lion King equal racism? Or violence related to sexuality, I never saw that? Or Alice In Wonderland?



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by Darky6K

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
I think you mean Project Monarch

That Haunted Mansion movie seems crazy (I've never watched it), but so was Cinderella and Snow White.

In American media, violence is often a cover for an otherwise sexual interaction between characters. For example, a man and a woman are quietly driving down the road and suddenly they are killed. This is a metaphor for their unrequited sexual tension. Another example, a boy and a girl are fighting against a mean old man, and come to within an inch of their life. This symbolizes a sexually deviant rapist (a demon maybe?). The children survive, but bear the psychological scars of having been raped.

People said the same thing about The Lion King. I think Disney tried to pull the race card with that franchise.

The Disney Channel itself is simply disgusting. I am noticing that "family" programming has a lot of sexual suggestion in it. I wonder whether they are programming people to anchor sexual foreplay with childhood memories, or they are just providing fan service to adult viewers who might otherwise become bored. A more sick explanation would be that they are enabling adults who sexually traumatize children, and children are made to feel as though they cannot even escape through TV or the movies.

This can't be just a recent phenomenon -- I think a lot of people here know that Alice In Wonderland was simply CS Lewis's collection of pedophile fantasies. The first Matrix movie was based partly on Alice In Wonderland as well, which brings up yet more questions ...


I don't get it, how does Lion King equal racism? Or violence related to sexuality, I never saw that? Or Alice In Wonderland?



People who attack the Lion King movie may be painted as racist

Violence has always been a cover for sex. Notice that in every scary movie, a couple who goes out to have sex at night is always killed

As for Alice In Wonderland, a quick search will yield what you're looking for



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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Just a minor point, but Lewis Carroll is the Author of Alice in Wonderland, not C.S. Lewis. C.S. Lewis wrote the Chronicles of Narnia series of books. When painting someone as a pedophile, and I have no idea if Lewis Carroll was or not, it might not hurt to make sure that you are at least using the right name and not associating someone else with something they haven't been accused of. Especially something as serious as being a pedophile.

Take care,
Cindi



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 03:46 PM
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I'm still of the opinion that these "Disney Whistleblowing" sites are more responsible for brainwashing people than Disney itself.

Sure, Disney did some anti-war films and whatnot, but that was completely in tune with the signs of the times back then.

What concerns me most is the number of people who rail on and on about "hidden meanings and subliminals" in the cartoons, thereby implanting those sinister associations into the minds of their readers as a matter of course.

Why is it so imperative to force an adult mindset into seeing things that most children would likely never notice or even have a frame of reference at that age to understand?

It baffles me to no end.

Not to mention that 90% of responses to these various claims of abuse all seem to follow an almost step by step (if not word by word) pattern of the original whistleblowers accusations?

Like I mentioned before. It's just too lucid to take seriously without first hand experience to back anything up.

I have yet to see an accusation or personal experience that doesn't follow the step by step playbook methodology.

If anyone has a personal abuse story, I'd love to hear it.



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
People who attack the Lion King movie may be painted as racist

Violence has always been a cover for sex. Notice that in every scary movie, a couple who goes out to have sex at night is always killed

As for Alice In Wonderland, a quick search will yield what you're looking for


Never heard that one before.

Yeah, scary movies are like that, but some would say that in the case of a guy like Jason Voorhees, he's a moralistic vigilante with a few screws loose in his head.

I'm reading on Lewis now, kinda creepy.



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by Glencairn
reply to post by vcwxvwligen
 


Just a minor point, but Lewis Carroll is the Author of Alice in Wonderland, not C.S. Lewis. C.S. Lewis wrote the Chronicles of Narnia series of books. When painting someone as a pedophile, and I have no idea if Lewis Carroll was or not, it might not hurt to make sure that you are at least using the right name and not associating someone else with something they haven't been accused of. Especially something as serious as being a pedophile.

Take care,
Cindi



This reply is facetious.

Your motive for saying it is questionnable.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 03:39 AM
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vcwxvwligen,
My reply was not facetious and I'm sure that you are welcome to question my motive for saying it. My answer to your question is that you don't just make claims of someone being a pedophile lightly and throw in the wrong name on top of it.

That would be like me making a post here saying "vcwxvwligen writes about his pedophile fantasies", but I really meant Joe Blow and not vcwxvwligen. Yet, having made that post, your name is now associated with being a pedophile and everyone regards you differently suddenly.

It would be different if I said "vcwxvwligen's favorite color is blue", but I meant Joe's favorite color is blue. That is harmless and casts no shadows on your character. I would still thank the person who corrected my mistake and remember to be more cautious in the future, but it wouldn't be a harmful confusion to have made. Claiming that someone is a pedophile, however, is a VERY serious charge to make and should never be made lightly or without double checking to be positive you are accusing the correct person.

You see the point here, right? You didn't make a harmless claim and attribute it to the wrong person, you made a very serious claim and accused the wrong person.

If it makes you feel better to take your mistake out on me for having pointed your mistake out, go ahead, no skin off my backside, but I would have still pointed the mistake out.

You're welcome.

Take care,
Cindi

[edit on 3/6/2009 by Glencairn]



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
I think you mean Project Monarch

That Haunted Mansion movie seems crazy (I've never watched it), but so was Cinderella and Snow White.


Not to sound snide, but if you've never watched it, how do you know it seems crazy? I don't have an opinion one way or t'other on the film, since I've not seen it either, but you shouldn't form an opinion without some study of the subject.



In American media, violence is often a cover for an otherwise sexual interaction between characters. For example, a man and a woman are quietly driving down the road and suddenly they are killed. This is a metaphor for their unrequited sexual tension. Another example, a boy and a girl are fighting against a mean old man, and come to within an inch of their life. This symbolizes a sexually deviant rapist (a demon maybe?). The children survive, but bear the psychological scars of having been raped.

People said the same thing about The Lion King. I think Disney tried to pull the race card with that franchise.

The Disney Channel itself is simply disgusting. I am noticing that "family" programming has a lot of sexual suggestion in it. I wonder whether they are programming people to anchor sexual foreplay with childhood memories, or they are just providing fan service to adult viewers who might otherwise become bored. A more sick explanation would be that they are enabling adults who sexually traumatize children, and children are made to feel as though they cannot even escape through TV or the movies.


Could it be that you're seeing sex where there isn't any? Children struggling against an older person / adult could just as easily be symbolic of rebellion against parental authority, and two lovers (or would-be lovers) who get axed by the obligatory killer in the horror film are nothing more than a story element? Or, perhaps, even a thinly-veiled warning about the dangers of illicit sexual behavior? I've no doubt that there's a lot of sexual content in media these days, but sometimes, people in movies do actually interact without a sexual connotation.



This can't be just a recent phenomenon -- I think a lot of people here know that Alice In Wonderland was simply CS Lewis's collection of pedophile fantasies. The first Matrix movie was based partly on Alice In Wonderland as well, which brings up yet more questions ...


Wow...you learn something new every day! I'm almost 46, and I've been reading and collecting the works of C.S. Lewis for thirty of those years, give or take, and only now did I learn that he wrote Alice In Wonderland. Charles Dodgson (AKA Lewis Carroll) is going to be SO surprised...



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by Glencairn
vcwxvwligen,
My reply was not facetious and I'm sure that you are welcome to question my motive for saying it. My answer to your question is that you don't just make claims of someone being a pedophile lightly and throw in the wrong name on top of it.

[edit on 3/6/2009 by Glencairn]



You knew exactly that I meant, hence your response was nothing but a straw man argument

The rest of this response was ridiculous.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by Brother Stormhammer

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
I think you mean Project Monarch

That Haunted Mansion movie seems crazy (I've never watched it), but so was Cinderella and Snow White.


Not to sound snide, but if you've never watched it, how do you know it seems crazy? I don't have an opinion one way or t'other on the film, since I've not seen it either, but you shouldn't form an opinion without some study of the subject.



You are trolling.

Don't do that.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

Originally posted by Brother Stormhammer

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
I think you mean Project Monarch

That Haunted Mansion movie seems crazy (I've never watched it), but so was Cinderella and Snow White.


Not to sound snide, but if you've never watched it, how do you know it seems crazy? I don't have an opinion one way or t'other on the film, since I've not seen it either, but you shouldn't form an opinion without some study of the subject.



You are trolling.

Don't do that.


How is he trolling? It's a legitimate remark.




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