Originally posted by DangerDeath

Hey, Ive heard actors speak like this many times.
They say, once they get into the costume, they are completely different person!

For cult members I dont think its as easy as just removing one set of clothes and putting on another. But yes I have heard that actors remain in character for the duration of say a play even when they are at home as its just easier that way. then at the end of the plays run they return to their real self but often find this difficult for the first few weeks.

Originally posted by Mr Green

Originally posted by DangerDeath

Hey, Ive heard actors speak like this many times.
They say, once they get into the costume, they are completely different person!

For cult members I dont think its as easy as just removing one set of clothes and putting on another. But yes I have heard that actors remain in character for the duration of say a play even when they are at home as its just easier that way. then at the end of the plays run they return to their real self but often find this difficult for the first few weeks.

This is why rituals were invented. They are a form of meditation with precise goal to focus one's attention on certain "mode" of behavior or existence. Exterior and interior of buildings (temples, shrines, other important buildings) also serve the same purpose.

Wearing a three piece suit is the same kind of "accomplishing identity"

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Wearing a three piece suit is the same kind of "accomplishing identity"

Why do cults almost always seem to have some strange or freeky dress sense anyway? Im thinking robes here mainly but Im sure there are many, its just you think cult you think strange dress. You know the sort of thing you just would NOT dare go out in (or have I been watching too many devil worship films here )

[edit on 3-3-2009 by Mr Green]

Originally posted by Mr Green

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Wearing a three piece suit is the same kind of "accomplishing identity"

Why do cults almost always seem to have some strange or freeky dress sense anyway? Im thinking robes here mainly but Im sure there are many, its just you think cult you think strange dress. You know the sort of thing you just would NOT dare go out in (or have I been watching too many devil worship films here )

[edit on 3-3-2009 by Mr Green]

Well, that's why I think the "agenda" is important. Just a nice dress will just make you feel nice

It has to be some kind of trigger, a "spirit catcher", something to push you into certain mode. And also extract you from some "ordinary" mode, make you "different".
Basically, those robes are uniforms, a sign of belonging, order, single mindedness, etc.

Originally posted by DangerDeath
It has to be some kind of trigger, a "spirit catcher", something to push you into certain mode. And also extract you from some "ordinary" mode, make you "different".
Basically, those robes are uniforms, a sign of belonging, order, single mindedness, etc.

Maybe so but they arnt very fashionable are they! I also think it may be so they feel more comfertable with their replaced names like brother this and brother that. Far easy to accept some cult name when your dressed in strange robes and head dresses.

Ritual symbolism is the nature of worship entrainment.

Humanity is different today, due to the evolutional changes it has undergone. At any early stages (how many are left open to the unknown), what constituted humanity was different than what we know today. Their minds were structured different, and operated in ways that are not just forgotten, but unknown (e.g., bicameral mind hypothesis et al).

It is an unspoken agreement among scientists that superstiition was predominant among early peoples: not to say I know for certain, but myself, am convinced that these earlier peoples (stages and cultures) could feel forces extraneous to their physical senses (at least the 5 generally in acceptance today).

Ritual symbolism enabled coherency of agreement amoung groups or types. It is with us to this day, and just as hard to break free of (belief systems or 'box awareness'). The highly intelligent mental types have a tendency to poo-poo this, when they themselves are also blindly subject to it, although with a newer set of symbolistic rituals (e.g., fields of research and their 'formulas').

Dare I upset everyone? Everyone belongs to some type of 'cult' belief, and will often fight to the death for their accepted beliefs, regardless whether they lead to true inner freedom, or not. Don Juan said everybody was 'quite mad,' and also that 'everything one did, was an addiction.' Thus he taught 'not-doing,' something out of the ordinary behavior modes, which Carlos maintained was just another group of 'rules.'

What's being discussed here, I think, is not just what consists of cultism, but cultism that is entirely malicious. However, when you dig deeper, they are all malicious...it's just a matter of time. That's why life in the material is so bloody and cruel: it boils over, beyond acceptable levels of behavior. That is, the bigger groups' 'acceptable levels.' In fact, all life has an insidious inherent property that is called 'levelling.' This is the very nature of energy. Families members do it; world cultures do it. Hmmm, wonder what the NWO is all about..?

[edit on 3-3-2009 by SS,Naga]

Originally posted by hypervigilant
The word "cult" seemed to mean something entirely different than the presently accepted definition. ... Remember when rock bands, certain sports cars, motorcycling, bicycling and anything of interest to a small minority was said to have a "cult following"....

You're quite right.

There is also the variation of definition whereby one can have a "cult following."

For example, the mentalist Criss Angel is said to have a cult following.

Originally posted by hypervigilant
I think that it was in the eighties that there became confusion between the words"cult " and "occult" in minds of the "religious right"... During this period there were Psychiatrist writing books on Satanism, Witchcraft, ritualistic child abuse and occult practitioners such as Free Masons and even religions that deviated from mainstream practices.... I worked in the mental health field at the time and there were a lot of people that were on psychiatric units that were being convinced that they were victims of "ritualistic abuse" by accredited mental health professionals.... A lot of life's were ruined by those people.

The word "occult" really means "that which is hidden."

Churches that are into strict control of their congregations tend to label anything outside their sect a cult. For example, there have been fundamentalist Christian groups in the past and present that label Catholicism a cult.

Originally posted by karl 12
Zysin 5 posted this great short film dealing with the techniques employed to
manipulate,control,indoctrinate,condition and brainwash cult members.
Its a good watch

Cheers


[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

Very good video. Id urge all to watch it its got what a cult is down to a T.(even the wierd clothes!) Do you know on which thread Zysin posted this?

My favorite archetype: T'Pol
(Although not very well developed by irresponsible script writers...)

This archetype confronts "unaffected logic" (Vulcan logic) and affections (emotions, as well as with ideas, concepts).

The unaffected (pure) personality corrodes and dissipates under the pressure of affections - because it "wanted" to explore.

Writers of that series (Enterprise) didn't really have a clue how to finish what they've started.

- Was T'Pol going to form a monogamous "unit" with Trip? (that was one stereotype concept). -

Of course, spiritual essence of personality does not look for unity in formal relationship, which basically splits personality.

Personality, being an expression of force, is one and same for everyone (like the symbol of Christ or Buddha).
Force, as the metaphysical, cannot be discerned.

So, this archetype is probably the most important of all, because it tells us that compromise is not possible between these two forms of existence.

One is either a Personality, or is a split-personality - incomplete.

We know that we cannot really unite with each other as long as we perceive as separate beings.

So the true unity must be attained on a different level of existence. It can be attained through our experience of both realities and then discarding the one reality in which we are separated by the particular point of perception - normally called EGO.

Of course, similar to the T'Pol archetype is the archetype of Eros and Psyche - which cannot, shouldn't, be "perceived" by senses - that is, it has to be experienced as unity.