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Feds 'to let CIA off the hook for tapes'

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posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 03:16 PM
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I have only one question to ask:

Were the tapes in question destroyed before a court of law ordered them to be treated as evidence, or after?

If it was after, than the senior official who authorized the destruction should be sanctioned. Contempt of court, obstruction of justice, etc. Let him or her explain their actions to a judge.

If the tapes were destroyed before such an order was issued - c'est la guerre. Executive orders demand that classified materials and information be destroyed when no longer useful or relevant.




posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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From what I have been reading of the case, the tapes were destroyed as a matter of routine. The CIA operatives were on the tapes, un-masked, there was classified information on them, and there was a fear they would end up in the press.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 03:23 PM
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Nevermind, pyros answered my questions....

Thanks!

[edit on 3-3-2009 by EarthCitizen07]



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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So your telling me that the only way to get justice is for some newspaper to reveal these tapes? What happened to the term *accountability* and the phrase *no one is above the law*?

Does the justice department ever get involved in anything worthwhile? I doubt it!


Justice for whom? I know the CIA and other intelligence agencies are looking out for the best interests of the American people. That's all the accountability they need, as far as I am concerned. There are things that are classified that the American public outside the intelligence community does not need to know, nor has a right to know. Frankly I don't care if terrorists and Al-Qaeda leaders are tortured. I hope they are. We haven't been attacked on American soil since 9/11, which leads me to believe the intelligence community is doing a good job. I know those who wish harm upon America certainly have not given up.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by stevegmu
Justice for whom? I know the CIA and other intelligence agencies are looking out for the best interests of the American people. That's all the accountability they need, as far as I am concerned.


No. If there is corruption within any state or federal agency then it needs to be exposed and justice served. I am not that naive to assume they have "our" best interest in mind.


Originally posted by stevegmu
There are things that are classified that the American public outside the intelligence community does not need to know, nor has a right to know. Frankly I don't care if terrorists and Al-Qaeda leaders are tortured. I hope they are. We haven't been attacked on American soil since 9/11, which leads me to believe the intelligence community is doing a good job. I know those who wish harm upon America certainly have not given up.


If al-queda really was responsible for all this destruction then why don't they show us hard, irrefuttable evidence so we can put this topic behind us once and for all?

[edit on 3-3-2009 by EarthCitizen07]



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 04:55 PM
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The reason this one ESPECIALLY will go under the light is because Americans all over do not have much respect for "terrorist" anyways...I bet half of America would say go for it or that they do not care.

I am all for our government trying to protect us, but tactics like these should only be used IF NEEDED.

It is impossible to say if we got any information from such terror tactics or just even more hate.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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why would they tape interrogations?

and also, I think we should resort to psychological interrogation.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by elston

Originally posted by organism315
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WHAT!?!?!?! It is a felony to destroy evidence. This should outrage Americans? How desensitized ARE they??

O-315


The Bachelor, Wife Swap, Dancing with the stars, Americas Got Talent, Inner Beauty, Beauty and the Geek, American Idol, Survivor, etc.

Get the picture?


Bingo! All because this nation IS the most self-centered and selfish country in the world. Don't get me wrong, I think America is the greatest country on Earth, but let's face it, Americans are spoiled rotten brats who only give a damn about themselves. And sometimes not even that.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 06:40 PM
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America is on the path leading to national socialism, and I just don't like that...at all...



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by organism315
 


I don't care what happened to these folks in the hands of the CIA. Bush erred in that he did not waterboarding them and then try them in the field under a military court and simply execute them.

When you think about the destruction of evidence, how about the missing documents out of Vince Foster's office, the missing billing records from the Rose Law Firm and, of course that gem of civic duty - those top secret documents that Clinton's National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger jammed down his pants, took out of the White House and then attempted to hide them in some kind of construction trailer?

Where have you been? Bush/Clinton part of the same crime syndicate--if you haven't seen past the partisan shell game, you haven't even taken your first step out of the control paradigm.

What goes around comes around and I think they are doing the right thing by letting it go, the same way Bush was by letting the BS out of the Clinton administration go.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 07:27 PM
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We need to do what they do when they want to crush someone/something. They seize the money.

We need to systematically organize a time and date for everyone to stop paying taxes. I know what you're going to say (because it is the same question I have). So how can we organize for the majority to stop supporting and paying these people to rape, rob,pillage and murder us?
We actually pay for this abuse.

I'm just throwing the idea into the ring for some of our members to orchestrate how it could be feasable.



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 07:48 PM
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I find it hard to believe this hasn't gotten more flags.

It seems really easy to divert peoples attention. This has legal potential for a civil suit. Hope folks wake up soon!



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by baseball101

Wow! what happened to Obama punishing the Bush administration officials prosecuting these people? there needs to be something done about this kind of treatment ...

I guess this is nothing new at all ... just another example of the government pushing a law to it's limit and going far beyond breaking it by covering it up ... then not getting punished ... when will something be done to make the government responsible for it's actions? thoughts?



Same rulers...different figurehead. Got it? The problem IS NOT Democrat vs Republican or left vs right or liberal vs conservative or socialist vs fascist...OK? The problem is this, our nation's "owners" (the world's power elite) are pulling the strings of the figureheads to suit their own will. Writing a letter to your congressman won't cut-the-mustard in today's world. The CIA chooses what laws they will follow or ignore.


[edit on 3-3-2009 by romanmel]



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:05 PM
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Pres Obama's U.S. Attorney Generals working on it. Some, Alot or none are going to be facing trial. The latter being Mr Obama's first and last term as Pres.
Bush2's running scared right now. Quite frankly what concerns me is how in depth is he (President Obama) with nwo? Most would not at all.. but Vogue issue said, suggested or airbrushed something a wee-bit different.
Decoy



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 10:08 PM
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1. Who investigates to CIA? aren't they the top investigative group in the country?

2. Who gave the order to destroy them and on whos authority?



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 02:30 AM
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to all the 'government should be held accountable" I ask this:
What if the things the gov't have been telling us are true- would you want such information being spread around, being made available to the public? And if it's not true, would you want those countering us to know so? Is it a gamble you're willing to bet your life on... maybe expose your poker face and have the others call your bluff?
Personally, I like to err on the side of caution and apprehension... and that doesn't just apply to our government.

Maybe Obama knows something we don't therefore the Judiciary isn't pursuing this as vehemently as the lemmings would like.

[edit on 3/4/2009 by abecedarian]



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by stevegmu
Justice for whom? I know the CIA and other intelligence agencies are looking out for the best interests of the American people. That's all the accountability they need, as far as I am concerned.


No. If there is corruption within any state or federal agency then it needs to be exposed and justice served. I am not that naive to assume they have "our" best interest in mind.


Originally posted by stevegmu
There are things that are classified that the American public outside the intelligence community does not need to know, nor has a right to know. Frankly I don't care if terrorists and Al-Qaeda leaders are tortured. I hope they are. We haven't been attacked on American soil since 9/11, which leads me to believe the intelligence community is doing a good job. I know those who wish harm upon America certainly have not given up.


If al-queda really was responsible for all this destruction then why don't they show us hard, irrefuttable evidence so we can put this topic behind us once and for all?

[edit on 3-3-2009 by EarthCitizen07]



I'm friends with people who work for numerous agencies. Most people in the intelligence field choose said career because they want to protect and serve their country. Of course they have our best interests in mind. I know many on here think agencies like the CIA work for big corporations, but that's just not reality.

Who is talking about corruption? The tapes were destroyed to protect the identities of the interrogators.

Evidence more often than not is classified, and takes years to declassify. Also, pending cases would prevent the release of evidence.



posted on Mar, 4 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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Very sad but I cant say that I'm surprised.

The government is a laughing stock.

[edit on 4-3-2009 by disfugured]



posted on Mar, 5 2009 @ 05:07 AM
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Anyone who is familiar with the origin of the CIA and their projects since simply won't bother responding to you, since you are either a government agitator or delusional. Have a nice millenium!



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