Continued to Red Cairo,
Taken for granted .not open...
Yes..people read books to become happy or to escape..no problems here with this. I too read to escape. Ive read a lot of James Clavell's works when
I've had the time.
I have also read some romance novels. I believe Danielle Steel is one of the most popular in this genre in the manner of Tom Clancy for the men. Like
Clancy ..Danielle has spun off a lot of others competing in the business.
Danielle Steele has a very predictable format in a lot of her books and that is ..male death equals female glory and beauty..status. Male death is
often core to the plot line.
Once I noted this fingerprint I was able to see it often repeated in Video format in many of the Chick Flicks. Titanic comes to mind.
Male sacrifice and male death core to the plot line. Don'T worry ..Tom Clancy is not much different.
Although I must tell you ...Mistral's Daughter was one of her books I really enjoyed. That is ...I think it was her book.
You know ..years ago I read "Clan of the Cave Bears." I almost put the book away in disgust. This author spread the sex scene out over some huge
amount of space ..through several chapters. I kept saying ...Pleaseeeeeee....get on with it so this stuff is not taking up so much of the pages of
this book and we can continue with the essence of the story. I was so glad when they finally threw down..to use a crudity..but we could now get on
with the story.
I think Kathleen Woodiwiss is another author of this genre for whom I have read her books.
Nonetheless...there is a huge market for this type of material...thus once again asking ..who has the time and moneys for this huge market?? Also once
again..indicating a lack of victimization....particularly economic victimization as well as time victimization.
You are correct in that you did not make any comments about me and my sexuality. I was not referring to myself in this at all. Correct.
I am making reference to the concept that the sex/porn market is not exclusively a male market. Women are bombarded by this stuff constantly and more
subtilty than males can even fathom. They are way to one dimensional on this.
All I have to do is go to the check out stands and see the editions of Cosmo. Elle, Redbook and such ..then imagine taking the sex and sexual
connotations out of these magazines and see how much real content remains. SAme with romance novels.
This stuff is highly pornographic..but just not quite in a way marketed to men...but it is obscene nonetheless. The pulp magazines too. Globe,
The fact that the public is bombarded by this stuff at the drug stores, and department, grocery store checkouts strongly indicates that there is a
large and substantial market for this stuff...which also indicates a tell tale of personal beliefs and standards. What people find acceptable. I can
even see this fingerprint on the evening news as standards fall..rapidly. Very tabloid like. And much of it is indeed obscene.
I am gratified to see that Illusions at least recognized this fingerprint for what it is.
Also in this manner I consider GQ, and the swimsuit edition of SI the same.
You know Red Cairo...I picked up a copy of a magazine at work called Maxim. Looking through the pages I was astonished to see the format very much
like Cosmo..but directed to men. It was a male version of Helen Gurley Browns magazine. I was a bit surprised..that the males were finally being
marketed to in the same manner.
I disagree that men are the ones mostly using porn..which is my point.
I will use William Farrell's definition of porn as it is a good one.
"Access to dreams, fantasies, expectations, beliefs...cheaply and without rejection."
Continuing on to your other post...this is very interesting.
Using beauty instead of finance this exists equally in the other direction.
Based on personal experience, I see more of the opposite -- women marrying men from a lower income class than themselves.
You are kidding here..right!! So equality is indeed happening. What are the women's complaints about??
I have a theory about this but it will wait till later.
Ahhh..ok..interesting point you make concerning someone who works to get their engineering degree et al..and gets paid well...for it.
The problem we are going to be seeing is that Degrees in today's economy are no longer a measure of success. There are becoming more and more people
of degrees and letters in the unemployment lines. We were told and programmed to believe that degrees/letters=success across the board.
What I am going to be interested and will watch closely to see is who gets the government safety net and who gets discarded by the wayside..expendable
and disposable...males or females?? Degrees or not.
LOL LOL LOL...I agree...about what you posted about the hot car to get the girl. I find this pitiful. I have no use for a woman whose standard of
measure of a man is what type of car they drive. I have seen many women like this as well as many men. They deserve each other. To me the men like
this are as shallow as the women.
I remember overhearing some girl talk among three women. One of them says.. "I first see what kind of car he drives and then look into his eyes to
see if he can maintain eye contact." I almost busted out laughing. In retrospect perhaps I should have but I also thought to myself..how shallow.
How high maintenance.
And guys tend towards buying a certain kind of car because they never saw an ugly woman get out of one. Again ...shallow and high maintenance.
LOL LOL LOL..I agree...they can compete...indeed. I too have a black belt and also a brown belt in a different martial discipline..but this is not the
crux of who and what I am...just as in my comments about oversexualty marketed today. My sexuality is not the crux of whom or what I am. No a man need
not feel insecure about such things. Their insecurities are falsely based.
Also correct..Red Cairo...a person..male or female can learn a lot of things ..it is just a matter of logging the time and doing ones homework.
I think of how many people laughed at me over the years for riding my mopeds and today a scooter to and fro work. When gasoline got over .$2.00 per
gallon they stopped laughing. I didn't care one whit either way. I knew what the real deal was all along and I own two cars and a truck. For years
now ..I have figured out how one method to give myself more economic options rather than pouring dollars down the gas tank.
I am not better than others for it..only different.
Oh..by the way..on your other post..I do think that is the name of that woman talk show host..Laura Schlessinger..Yes. I do not even know if they are
still on the air. There is another woman I like too but I think more recent and not quite the same caliber as Laura. Her name is Tammy Bruce.
I think you're confusing "equal" with "the same" here
Ahhhhh..the mantra...the dogma for years and years..was "equality"..did they change it to the "Same" and not tell anyone?? Either way .it is not
working out equal nor is it working out the same. Could it be that politics hijacked it all?? And without either sex knowing it was going on??
Watching the clock and must go for now. I will post something on your statement about votes/voting when I am able.
mcguyvermanolo ..that is a very interesting post you have made concerning the alcohol verses gasoline origins. Thanks for that. I will have to digest
that post several times. Thanks.
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