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Originally posted by Raud
I liked your Pro list very much!!
1) Better for the enviroment....absolutely
2) Healthier....of course
3) Cheaper!....usually, unless you shop and Marks and Spencer!
4) Ethics apply....definitely
5) Shopping much easier (limited selection)....not sure...good veg can be hard to get, and if you want soemthing exotic, you might have a problem.
6) Awareness of nuitrition facts....education is the key for sure.
7) Rising interest in growing own crops...check...we've just stared on a half acre of garden. the crop will be unbelievable.
8) New inspiration in the kitchen...have you seen my cookbook collection?!
9) Spiritual enrichment (if into such)....mostly under rated and undervalued, but vital.
However....I'm all opinionated about this stuff....
1) Total vegan life style might weaken one's physical attributes
....umm, nope. RefeadFlagBlues. A meat based diet can cause many more problems.
2) Time taken to contemplate shopping/cooking might increase
...that's fine...keeps me out of trouble...usually!
3) Friends might laugh at you
...oh feck off....
4) No more classic BBQ-parties
...HA! HA..HA!! HAAA!!!! Sooooo not the case....
5) There are more landmass suited for cattle than for crops
...not sure about this...will have to investigate
6) Ratio of nuitrition/mass is lower in most vegetables
...again, not sure...the calorie production per acre for crops is around 4 times what could be produced in meat. Sometimes more.
7) Hard to let go of the holy matrimony between meat and beer
...hard to understand this one...does less than nothing for me....sorry!
8) The hobby of hunting might lose some of its points.
I'll let you fill in your own response here...mine was too rude.
9) A lot of candy must be let gone of (gelatin)
...A tough one, I know...but we shouldn't eat so much of it anyway!! Try making your own Turkish style sweeties...I guarantee you won't eat so many, and you will know exactly what goes into them.
Great post...so thank you....
Edit to add...sorry for the weird layout...computer wouldn't let me cut and paste like it should. I hope it all makes sense.
[edit on 15-3-2009 by caitlinfae]
Originally posted by XyZeR
Here's a newsflash: Geneticaly engineered = selective breeding....:rolleye:
That's how 99% of our meat is grown,... on an industrial scale....
You are gravely mistaken. Learn the difference between the "brain" and the "mind."
I'm sorry,....What ? How did you reach this assumption that i don't know the difference between those from what i posted...?...What am i gravely mistaken about?
First, is that an attempt at forming a complete sentance, have you read it yourself ?
Are you trying to say no such research exsists ? cause i posted a link about it for ya, which you clearly didn't check.
Or are you telling me cows don't produce methane on a massive scale ?
Cows emit a massive amount of methane through belching, with a lesser amount through flatulence. Statistics vary regarding how much methane the average dairy cow expels. Some experts say 100 liters to 200 liters a day (or about 26 gallons to about 53 gallons), while others say it's up to 500 liters (about 132 gallons) a day. In any case, that's a lot of methane, an amount comparable to the pollution produced by a car in a day.
source= check it
So, I guess it is up to each an every one of us to decide what is more important.
I am lacto-ovo vegetarian and have been so for a year now and I feel great.
I turned to this path for some reason I am yet not fully aware of. I had been thinking of it for some time, but suddenly it just came over me. It was like a message in my head, indestinct yet very obvious. Maybe I will know later. Maybe it bought me a few more years of life time for me to do something special. Anyways, I don't interfere with my gut-feelings anymore.
I try to avoid fish most of the time, but I don't cosider fish to be in the same "chapter" as regular meat (birds included). Eggs are OK, they are not alive, never has been, never will be. Dairy- couldn't do without it, I'm sorry...guess the Gods have to cut me some slack...I am doing my best here.
I really try not to preach my diet, but I will if anyone is weak-minded enough to question it. It is very easy to start a heated debate over this subject. I think it is so sore to many people because they have supressed feelings of guilt over their meat-eating. Visit a industrial slaughter house and see how it feels afterwards...
The hard part is the candy! Man, I love marsmallows...but no more of that stuff...
I say that man is an omnivour if it must be. But normally, we are designed to be herbavoures.
Originally posted by Tallsorts
I changed my diet because meat and derivatives gave me gut ache, and I grew out of eating pieces of dead creature. Eventually I had to quit eating eggs and dairy products too, as they were upsetting my digestive system. That lead to a lot of reading, and I had no choice but to become a dietary Vegan.
I’ve never tried persuading anyone else to stop eating animal stuff, but there’s things to realise about a meat, dairy, egg and fish diet. People in Africa, China, India and South America see the Western Diet as a target worth achieving alongside economic growth, and that is going to make meat in particular more expensive, and less easy to obtain. Seas are being overfished, due to the increasing global population.
Growing plant based food for the Global population is much greener than growing animal feed and then converting it to animal foodstuffs. Also bio fuel crops are taking up field space from human food production, and this green fuel isn’t as green as it first appears.
It is also interesting to note that menopausal symptoms are virtually unknown in Japan, where the population consume soya based foods like bean curd. Some Western women going through the menopause have added soya to their diet, bringing reductions to their normal range of symptoms.
With most Vegetarians and Vegans, there isn’t the need to run ‘Five-A-Day’, campaigns to get them to eat sufficient healthy fruit & veg portions per day, because they normally get more than that.
Personally I wouldn’t want to go back to eating dead animal parts, it seem quite prehistoric and barbaric, but live and let live, I say. (Oops, no pun intended).
Originally posted by kidflash2008
I did eat a garden burger from a fast food joint, and did not like it. I would be open to trying one again if it was cooked by a vegan who knew how to prepare it properly.
Originally posted by Raud
reply to post by vcwxvwligen
Hehe, you are quite a piece of work there matey!
Think you can lure me into your cave ey, you little troll!
You must learn to write much better than that to scare me.
But first of all: don't give yourself away with those -500 points!
Hey, we should do that "debate-fight" kind of thing over this!
I would so roll right over you!