Evolution, It's only a theory

Originally posted by watchtheashes
reply to post by Gawdzilla

 

If the whole thing wasn't finely tuned we wouldn't be here. Part of that might require mass expanses of emptiness. Gravity must work in the way it does. I don't know the reasons for God to design everything that way.

What I do know is asking if something created God is a logical fallacy as God is eternal and does not exist within the boundaries of space and time meaning no aging or beginning for that matter.

The whole "finely tuned" theory is proving your conclusions by your premise. Doesn't work in the real world.

You don't know how your "God" was created, you're just going with your programming. Nothing more. And, of course, you still haven't shown that he/she/it exists at all.

Since we discovered the mechanism of evolution nobody has managed to show how it could possibly not work as we say it does.

What separates species from each other is differences in their gene pools. It's a fact that no gene pool stays static. We've observed this change in for example Escherichia coli long-term evolution experiment. We've not discovered a mechanism that would limit the degree of change that can happen within a gene pool (or genome). This would be the holy grail for the creationist stance. Until such mechanism is shown (it never will be is my educated guess) evolution ought to be considered the most rational stance as:

1. There is a mountain of evidence supporting past evolution.
2. There is a mountain of evidence supporting the suggested mechanism of evolution.
3. There is 100% lack of evidence against all this.

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Originally posted by watchtheashes
What I do know is asking if something created God is a logical fallacy as God is eternal and does not exist within the boundaries of space and time meaning no aging or beginning for that matter.

The potential for the birth of a natural universe is natural and eternal and does not exist within the boundaries of space and time.

But really this is not what we're debating here. The issue here is whether all life on Earth shares a common ancestor or not. It's a question of whether current species were created as they are or did they perhaps evolve gradually.

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reply to post by Gawdzilla


If evolution is such a fact then on all levels of existence, explain to me then, the occurrence of the " Mitochondrial Eve"!
If evolution exists in a microscopic fashion (which it must to manifest into the larger), please tell me why the mitochondria has relatively stayed the same?
Please dont give natural selection as the answer.

Originally posted by KRISKALI777
If evolution is such a fact then on all levels of existence, explain to me then, the occurrence of the " Mitochondrial Eve"!

What exactly is your problem with "Mitochondrial Eve"?

If evolution exists in a microscopic fashion (which it must to manifest into the larger), please tell me why the mitochondria has relatively stayed the same?
Please dont give natural selection as the answer.

For example human and alligator mitochondria are in fact quite different. The mitochondria found in more simple eukaryotes are very different to ours. But okay, let's say all mammals have quite similar mitochondria. Why is it? Well simply put their function is quite optimal and the environment they live in (if you want to consider them symbiotic organisms) is rather static. Natural selection keeps them as they are.

Originally posted by KRISKALI777
reply to post by Gawdzilla

 

If evolution is such a fact then on all levels of existence, explain to me then, the occurrence of the " Mitochondrial Eve"!
If evolution exists in a microscopic fashion (which it must to manifest into the larger), please tell me why the mitochondria has relatively stayed the same?
Please dont give natural selection as the answer.

The "Mitochondrial Eve" is simply a theory that the human race narrowed down to one small group of people at some point MANY thousands of years ago. It doesn't imply that one woman gave birth to the entire human race. The word "Eve" apparently sent the creationists into a tizzy, however. They read the title of the original article and nothing else.

reply to post by Gawdzilla

And, of course, you still haven't shown that he/she/it exists at all.

I don't think you know who you're poking fun at. He knows who you are however. I don't have to know how God came to be. I just know that this Universe came to be. Anything that exists outside of it does not need a reason to begin as there would be no beginning. Again with these stupid codes is what you will say, however you are very very mistaken. You can make your own conclusion but there is NO CHANCE IN THE UNIVERSE that this does not prove design in the Bible. Let alone the Universe and evolution. Skeptics claim you can find these in any book, but not like this. You can't possibly think this is chance.


www.biblecodedigest.com...

www.biblecodedigest.com...

www.biblecodedigest.com...

cs.anu.edu.au...

That doesn't mean Obama will die on Mother's Day, but I'm sure that's one outcome. Barack Obama will be killed regardless I assure you with utmost certainty although I feel so bad for the man. He achieved what Martin Luther King Jr wanted. I will stand by my assertion that he will die on Mother's Day. If not then then there are other bio-weapons attacks coming or someone might just shoot him for him being him. Free will is what I will say.

reply to post by rhinoceros


Sorry I was distinctly talking about Human mitochordria.

reply to post by KRISKALI777


Well great. Are you satisfied with the answer?

reply to post by rhinoceros


Look at the links I provided and then mitochondria won't make any difference to evolution.

reply to post by watchtheashes


The Da Vinci Code was a documentary, right? Could Dan Brown be Jesus, the reincarnated cosmic zombi overlord of the Christians? Better drink his blood and eat his flesh to be sure? Christianity - cannibalism FTW!


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reply to post by rhinoceros


No the Da Vinci Code was a book by Dan Brown. Since there really is a group of "the powers that be" out there I would just like to say the truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.

If you don't even at least think a little bit that something higher than human intelligence wrote the Bible now, then you're an idiot. The skeptics are probably thinking that they are idiots too. Not once did i say I didn't agree with the evolutionist standpoint, but I merely provide some light as to why it works.

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Wasn' t the Da Vinci Code Porn?

Originally posted by watchtheashes
If you don't even at least think a little bit that something higher than human intelligence wrote the Bible now, then you're an idiot.

If you think that something higher than human intelligence wrote the Bible is more plausible than your chances of seeing a manbearpig in the toilet in which you'll take a crap the next time, then you're what you're accusing me of being.

reply to post by rhinoceros


I'm not trying to single you out as an idiot but did you even look it over? I think you'll find that "you can find codes like that in any book" cannot be used as an argument against the codes. Speaking of that, I did a matrix on the Titanic in the bible and got more relevance out of that than Moby Dick which is a sailing related book. Huh?

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You are right there man! Manbearpig has my votes

Originally posted by watchtheashesIf you don't even at least think a little bit that something higher than human intelligence wrote the Bible now, then you're an idiot. The skeptics are probably thinking that they are idiots too. Not once did i say I didn't agree with the evolutionist standpoint, but I merely provide some light as to why it works.

I'm not an idiot. I don't think the BuyBull was written by anything other than men. Men who heard voices in their heads, who saw angels and demons in the shadows, who didn't understand how the world worked. And who saw that they could make a living by preaching their neuroses to others.

reply to post by Gawdzilla


No you're not an idiot. Did you at least review the information? It is a matter of denial now. No skeptic can beat that matrix not one. PHD certified skeptics. I don't hear voices in my head, nor do I not understand the world. The fact that we're debating evolution right now simply means the story is not finished yet. You can find codes about Neanderthal man and the like in the codes too. Does that invalidate the codes? No. Does it invalidate evolution? No. Satan can't just put a bunch of bones in the ground to deceive people. I'm not one of those people. I agree almost whole-heartedly with science, just not the fact that we're here right now is by chance.

Originally posted by watchtheashes
reply to post by Gawdzilla

 

No you're not an idiot. Did you at least review the information? It is a matter of denial now. No skeptic can beat that matrix not one. PHD certified skeptics. I don't hear voices in my head, nor do I not understand the world. The fact that we're debating evolution right now simply means the story is not finished yet. You can find codes about Neanderthal man and the like in the codes too. Does that invalidate the codes? No. Does it invalidate evolution? No. Satan can't just put a bunch of bones in the ground to deceive people. I'm not one of those people. I agree almost whole-heartedly with science, just not the fact that we're here right now is by chance.

You have trouble giving people credit for being able to figure things out, I see. I've seen all that stuff before, and none of it works in reality. The "matrix" is a pattern-seeking aspect of the human persona. Nothing more. Sorry.

And we're not really debating evolution. You're trying to disprove it, I'm showing how you fail to do that. Debates are just word contests with the prettiest talker "winning".

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I'm not trying to disprove anything!!!! I'm trying to prove to all of you guys that science is leaving God out of the equations (that were pre-conceived by Him), which means soon soon things are going to be way different. Same thing with the Pharaoh. No matter what Moses did the Pharaoh hardened his heart because Moses was the one taking the plague back by request. I show this and its still there by chance despite the statistics.