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reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 01:28 PM by tyranny22
reply to post by weedwhacker



LMAO. Can't get away from anything on this site, can we?

I understand the theory of the Big Bang. I was being simplistic to make a point. Whether you say, "big rock exploded" or "primordial hot and dense initial condition infinitely expanded" ... it's basically the same idea.

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reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 01:29 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by jd140



That is exactly what I was trying to point out in a post that I posted a half an hour ago.

What if intention has influence on the evolving of the body/plant. If the animal/plant is often in a problematic situation, could it be that the will/intention of the creature forms its body to overcome the problem over the generations.

And since intention has to do with consiousness and that has a connection higher self (that what people call god...) both evolutiontheory and religion are right but incomplete.

Keep in mind that quantum phisics showed us that consiousness can manipulate/create matter.

what do you think about that

Best,

turbohenk


reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 01:32 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by jd140



jd140, let's stick with THAT 'theory' for a while....

Of course, minor point.....'god' started everything, then just walked away, whistling all the while??

OK, I'm onboard with that....a 'creator' who initiated this whole mess 14-some billion years ago (by our standards), clucked and said "I done good!" and went away to meddle somewhere else.....who knows?



reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 01:37 PM by turbohenk
reply to post by jd140



That is exactly what I was trying to point out in a post that I posted a half an hour ago.

What if intention has influence on the evolving of the body/plant. If the animal/plant is often in a problematic situation, could it be that the will/intention of the creature forms its body to overcome the problem over the generations. Who/what else should know what the problem is and if there is a problem and what to want to resolve it?

And since intention has to do with consiousness and that has a connection higher self (that what people call god...) both evolutiontheory and religion are right but incomplete.

Keep in mind that quantum phisics showed us that consiousness can manipulate/create matter.

what do you think about that

Best,

turbohenk


reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 01:37 PM by tamusan
reply to post by B.A.C.


Maybe we disagree on what constitutes a new species. I will agree that sometimes the adaptions do not actually create a new species, just an improved version of the species.

One example I know of that shows a new species being created is with a fruitfly in Madagascar. It seperated from a sisters species from mainland Africa long ago and became a new species in time. This new species now has genes that are incompatable with the sister species. It is not an airtight case to prove seperation, because they can produce some viable offspring together. I do think that they are different species, but you may think they are still the same. I will find better examples to make a case.

Here is the link for the fruitfly.
esciencenews.com...


reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 01:43 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by tyranny22



Yup! tyranny....

Look, I have trouble wrapping my mind around the formation of our Universe.....so far, the 'string' theory evolved (gulp, there's THAT word again!) into 'membrane'...or 'brane', for short theories. A 'string' will, being one-dimensional, draw a two-dimensional plane, or 'membrane'....as it moves in three-dimensional space.

Two 'membranes' might not like each other, interact in an explosive way (sounds like last night at the bar) and the inter-action results in a new Universe being created. THIS is not my imagination talking, it's from science shows I've seen.

I don't claim to have all the facts...not about that, nor about evolution. However, I do know how to understand evidence....and infer, even if there are gaps.

We KNOW dinosaurs are extinct (except for Steven Speilberg's ranch...and birds.....) but, the BIG ones are gone, yet we KNOW they existed once upon a time.

Ok....so, three guys walk into a bar.....the fourth guy ducked!

(see, the fourth guy gets to move up the evolutionary ladder, 'cause he was smarter!)


reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 01:45 PM by gpzrd350
reply to post by tamusan



"Scientists have identified heritable genetic changes among squirrels, birds and insects that appear to be evolved adaptations to a warmer world.

The team found that although tuatara have remained largely unchanged physically over very long periods of evolution, they are evolving — at a DNA level — faster than any other animal yet examined.

fence lizards in the southeastern United States are adapting to potentially fatal invasive fire-ant attacks

In a mere two decades, one of Charles Darwin's finch species, Geospiza fortis, reduced its beak size to better equip itself to consume small sized seeds, scientists report in the July 14 issue of the journal Science."


At the end of the day, none of these prove that one species can become another. The squirrels are still squirrels, the fence lizards are still fence lizards and the finch is still a finch.

Don't get me wrong, evolution is a very persuasive theory but until a missing link is found or a species is observed to change from one species to another then it hasn't been conclusively proven.

Micro evolution has been conclusively proved (adaptations within a species) but macro evolution (one species changing to another) hasn't been.

I would like to point out that I am not a creationist and have no religious beliefs at all.


reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 01:47 PM by jd140
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to
post by jd140



jd140, let's stick with THAT 'theory' for a while....

Of course, minor point.....'god' started everything, then just walked away, whistling all the while??

OK, I'm onboard with that....a 'creator' who initiated this whole mess 14-some billion years ago (by our standards), clucked and said "I done good!" and went away to meddle somewhere else.....who knows?


Well what he does with us after he created us is for a differant thread. I think this is a doable theory. Atleast it would get alot of people from ranting back and forth about something as stupid as how we got to be in this form.


reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 01:50 PM by Helmkat
Originally posted by weedwhacker
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post by B.A.C.



A 'Woolyphant'?!

Thanks, I needed a good chuckle.

I have two words for you.....Plate Tectonics

Our World, as we view it today, is just a 'snapshot' view....this planet, over the millions and billions of years, has undergone iincredible changes, as have the lifeforms that reside on the surface, and in the oceans.

We, scrappy, somewhat intelligent bipeds, are just beginning to become self-aware enough to realize that THIS planet isn't about US.....we are here by chance. Random chance. In a Universe as vast as we are now learning it to be, randomness isn't so hard to understand.



I love your post, well done!

The life we see here at this moment in time is a tiny fraction of the life that has exsisted on this planet and when you think about how much life is out there in the Multiverse you have to realize that we are something less then the self important "Gods chosen" that we make ourselves out to be.

To me thats the real foundation to this argument. Being social animals we just don't like anything that could cause us to reevaluate ourselves.

When we lose our decidedly provincial attitudes we might join the rest of creation in meaningful banter.


reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 01:53 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by gpzrd350



very good post, gpzrd....

Again, you've noted indications of what is now called 'micro-evolution'....I still call it 'Natural Selection', adaptations within a few generations.

'Macro-evolution' is NOT something we can directly observe....we, Humans, don't live long enough.

BTW....spiders give me the creeps!!!! Eeeek!

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