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NASA's Chief Climate Scientist Stirs Controversy With Call for Civil Disobedience

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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 06:35 PM
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NASA's Chief Climate Scientist Stirs Controversy With Call for Civil Disobedience


www.foxnews.com

NASA's chief climate scientist is calling on citizens to engage in civil disobedience at a public protest of global warming.

But critics say Hansen's latest call to action blurs the line between astronomer and activist and may violate the Hatch Act, which prohibits federal employees participating in partisan political activity.
"Oh my goodness," Hansen's former supervisor, Dr. John Theon, told FOXNews.com. "I'm not surprised ... the fact Hansen has gone off the deep end here is sad ... .
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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 06:35 PM
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Theon, a former senior NASA atmospheric scientist, rebuked Hansen last month in a letter to the Senate's Environment and Public Works Committee, saying Hansen had violated NASA's official position on climate forecasting without sufficient evidence and embarrassed the agency by airing his claims before Congress in 1988.

"Why he has not been fired I do not understand," Theon said. "As a civil servant, you can't participate in calling for a public demonstration. You may be able to participate as a private citizen, but when you go on the Internet and call for people to break the law, that's a problem."

Meanwhile, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., urged Hansen to rethink his plans.

"If he wants to have a demonstration concerning global warming, coming to the Capitol is not a right choice," Rohrabacher told FOXNews.com. "The bottom line is if Hansen wants to protest global warming, he should go to the National Cathedral and take it up with God rather than going to Capitol Hill."

Rohrabacher, a member of the House's Committee on Science and Technology, called on Hansen to "step out" of his role. "He obviously doesn't feel comfortable with the restraints that come with being a scientist rather than a political activist," Rohrabacher said. "Most of us have always thought he has been hiding behind a scientific facade, and really, he was a political activist all along."

Chris Horner, author of "Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud, and Deception to Keep You Misinformed," also denounced Hansen's latest call to arms against climate change.

"He's providing ample cause to question his employment on the taxpayer dime," Horner told FOXNews.com. "He's clearly abused his platform provided to him by the taxpayer, principally by the way he's been exposed of manipulating and revising data with the strange coincidence of him always found on the side of exaggerating the warming."

Horner claimed that Hansen doctored temperature data on two occasions in 2001 and once in 2007 in attempts to show an impending climate catastrophe.


Of course, Obama's administration doesn't mind AGW advocates on the government dime since many of his appointees espouse the same fears and aversions.

Energy Secretary Chu has gone on record as saying that coal gives him nightmares, and that Americans should be paying gasoline and energy prices more in line with Europeans.




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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 06:55 PM
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I feel that what I stated in a similar thread should be said again:


What is even more disturbing is that Jim Hanson, the Ranking NASA Climatological Official, is encouraging this law breaking extravaganza. This is a BLATANT Violation of the Hatch Act, and as such, he should be relieved of his Duties. High Ranking Public Officials who encourage such behavior have forever, completely, and irrevocably lost the trust placed upon them by us, the Taxpaying Citizenry, and their Ultimate Employer.


I am absolutely abhorred and disgusted by the actions of this "Scientist", who in all reality has NO business whatsoever involving himself with Factual Data nor Analytical Interpretation ANYMORE. Once such a Partisan bias has been fully demonstrated, in such a blatant manner no less, how can we EVER again trust ANY Data which Hansen or his Department henceforth Produces?

Science and Politics do not make for Proper bedfellows.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 07:13 PM
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edit: wrong link, wrong scientist.


[edit on 1-3-2009 by Zepherian]

[edit on 1-3-2009 by Zepherian]



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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I bet you dont really mean that about science and politics not making proper bedfellows. I bet if it were a well respected scientist telling people to protest against the "myth" of global warming you would see him as a hero.

The man is a private citizen. He hasnt been fired because there are no legal grounds to do so, as the lawyer in the article states. It may be unseemly for someone in his position to be so vocal, but he is breaking no laws.

If he feels that strongly that we are endangering ourselves then he is doing what he must do as a moral creature. He is trying to make people act before it is too late, as he sees it. Even if he is wrong, it is commendable.

There IS a right and a wrong in this debate. Either humans are causing a potentially species threatening problem or we arent. None of you, or I, know for certain how this coin will land. History will either vindicate him, and those like him speaking out loudly for more awareness of the problem, or it will make a laughingstock of the entire movement.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 07:37 PM
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edit: wrong link, wrong scientist

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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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As far as I am concerned, this guy is taking attention away from REAL reasons we should be upset and speaking out.

"global warming" is the last thing on anyone's mind right now. There are probably a lot of things getting attention, that simply take attention away from real issues.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:11 PM
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I only looked at the first two links and they were about another scientist, not James Hansen.

James Hansen is the "go to guy" that was in Al Gore's movie Inconvenient Truth, and I have also seen him in some other shows on TV that push the global warming theory.

Recently, there was some controversy about some of the figures he was using to show that global warming is happening. Not only did he use some figures in the wrong way, but he also only used figures from the last 30 years, instead of going back and using figures from all the years we have been keeping records, which actually would have shown that a cooling trend is occurring.

Also you can google it, or you can check this link, over 31,000 scientists have signed a letter stating their concerns about the notion of global warming, recently.

31000 scientists petition on global warming



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:11 PM
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He is actually protesting that the global warming claims are exagerated or false if you read the links provided.


James Hansen is claiming that global warming claims are exaggerated or false?
ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Hansen is best known for his research in the field of climatology, his testimony on climate change to congressional committees in the 1980s that helped raise broad awareness of global warming, and his advocacy of action to limit the impacts of climate change.


Hansen is RESPONSIBLE for all of the Global Warming Hysteria that has been going on for the last 20 years or so!!!!!!




[edit on 1-3-2009 by ProfEmeritus]



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by Zepherian
He is actually protesting that the global warming claims are exagerated or false if you read the links provided.


How am I not getting that? I am not saying you are wrong, but I certainly am not able to read that from the links.

www.foxnews.com...


"We need to send a message to Congress and the president that we want them to take the actions that are needed to preserve climate for young people and future generations and all life on the planet," says Hansen, who has likened coal-fired power plants to "factories of death" and claims he was muzzled by the Bush administration when he warned of drastic climate changes.

"What has become clear from the science is that we cannot burn all of the fossil fuels without creating a very different planet. The only practical way to solve the problem is to phase out the biggest source of carbon — and that's coal."


It sounds to me like he is arguing that we are causing global warming, and that he is being criticized for taking a strong stand on the issue.

But, I have been wrong before...



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:23 PM
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I think something has been lost in the verviage here.

He wants us to protest global warming? or
He wants us to protest that nothing is being done in adherence to his belief that humans are causing it?
Or He wants us to protest the idea of global warming?

Since this year has seen more snow and cold than previous years, is he in a panic at being shown that there is no global warming.
Or is global warming the subject of his proposed "civil disobedience" at all?

As has been posted many times, many places there seems to be a move afoot to push Americans into riots and civil disobedience and it is suspected that TPTB want this so they can bring on Martial Law.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:23 PM
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Actually, yes, there are a lot of important things happening right now, but, some of the things the president and our government are trying to push forward on the global warming, climate agenda will do a lot to make things even worse.

As one of the posters stated, their agenda is to "go green" even if it forces up the cost of gas, heating oil, and other things which will have a great impact on the average person's wallet. I think I read that some great mind out there was even speculating whether farmers should have to pay a tax on each cow.......

Don't get me wrong, I am concerned with the environment, I have been a total, and I mean total recycler for the past 30 years, but there are other things we can do.

As a matter of fact, if our government was that concerned about the environment, they would not be pushing the flourescent lights that are full of mercury, which is a terrible pollutant, since there is no method of conveniently recycling them right now.

In my opinion, James Hansen is just advocating civil disobedience to get more gullible, uninformed people agitated so people will be more willing to go along with all the "recommendations" and "solutions" our government is getting ready to put in place real soon.

 



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:26 PM
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Can you just imagine a NASA Scientist calling for civil disobedience because he has evidence of UFOs? He would be escorted to the nearest exit gate after ordered to surrender his ID. He would be given a choice of being disgraced or hit by a city transit bus. But NASA states that they make no comments on such matters.

Now, why does he still have a job at public tax-payer expense? I have a cold, but my nose can smell corruption of convoys of very dirty, agenda ridden, elected officials.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:28 PM
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Hansen's been out of control for quite some time now. It's taken them this long to work it out! This is the same guy that said Australians were killing the world a few months back. I hope they sack the idiot. It's overdue!

IRM



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by sezsue
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James Hansen is the "go to guy" that was in Al Gore's movie Inconvenient Truth, and I have also seen him in some other shows on TV that push the global warming theory.



See... I told you that my nose could smell some dirt.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by sezsue


Also you can google it, or you can check this link, over 31,000 scientists have signed a letter stating their concerns about the notion of global warming, recently.

31000 scientists petition on global warming


Just so you know, that is a very controversial petition. It was made to look as if it were supported by the NAS, but they have come out and publicly distanced themselves from it.

en.wikipedia.org...


After the petition appeared, the National Academy of Sciences said in a 1998 news release that "The NAS Council would like to make it clear that this petition has nothing to do with the National Academy of Sciences and that the manuscript was not published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences or in any other peer-reviewed journal."[14] It also said "The petition does not reflect the conclusions of expert reports of the Academy." The NAS further noted that its own prior published study had shown that "even given the considerable uncertainties in our knowledge of the relevant phenomena, greenhouse warming poses a potential threat sufficient to merit prompt responses. Investment in mitigation measures acts as insurance protection against the great uncertainties and the possibility of dramatic surprises."[15]


That does not mean that there are not scientists on that petition that believe what it says. It is also important to note what kind of scientists, from the same wikipedia article,


As of 2008, the petition's website states that "The current list of 31,072 petition signers includes 9,021 PhD; 6,961 MS; 2,240 MD and DVM; and
12,850 BS or equivalent academic degrees.



Petitioners were also requested to list their academic discipline. The petition sponsors state the following numbers of individuals from each discipline: 1. Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences: 3,697; 2. Computer and mathematical sciences: 903; 3. Physics and aerospace sciences: 5,691; 4. Chemistry: 4,796; 5. Biology and agriculture: 2,924; 6. Medicine: 3,069; 7. Engineering and general science: 9,992.[2] As of 2007, about 2,400 people in addition to the original 17,100 signatories were "trained in fields other than science or whose field of specialization was not specified on their returned petition."[19]


Not saying you should change your mind, but you should be aware of the why's, whats, and whoms that are related to that petition.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:36 PM
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My mystake, disregard. Was reading the wrong link about the wrong scientist.

What we really have is Global Warming - Climate Change advocate pushing a NWO agenda, imo, and not much to comment about it rather than I don't buy his science.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by TheAgentNineteen
 


If he feels that strongly that we are endangering ourselves then he is doing what he must do as a moral creature. He is trying to make people act before it is too late, as he sees it. Even if he is wrong, it is commendable.


Manipulating data to show the outcome one wants is commendable?

Heh. Well where have *I* been that I missed that?



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 09:11 PM
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I havent seen the proof that he has been manipulating data. Was that in the links?

I am not saying he wasnt, or hasnt, I just havent seen anything indicating that here. I would have thought that both manipulating data and speaking out so vocally WOULD have been grounds for his termination.

If you have any links, I would like to see them. I am not "pro Hansen" ultimately, I am "pro-whatever the hell the truth ends up being" and would certainly read it with an open mind.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
I havent seen the proof that he has been manipulating data. Was that in the links?

I am not saying he wasnt, or hasnt, I just havent seen anything indicating that here. I would have thought that both manipulating data and speaking out so vocally WOULD have been grounds for his termination.

If you have any links, I would like to see them. I am not "pro Hansen" ultimately, I am "pro-whatever the hell the truth ends up being" and would certainly read it with an open mind.


This from the 2nd post after the OP:


"He's providing ample cause to question his employment on the taxpayer dime," Horner told FOXNews.com. "He's clearly abused his platform provided to him by the taxpayer, principally by the way he's been exposed of manipulating and revising data with the strange coincidence of him always found on the side of exaggerating the warming."

Horner claimed that Hansen doctored temperature data on two occasions in 2001 and once in 2007 in attempts to show an impending climate catastrophe.


Seems no one is disputing that he did this...

[edit on 3/1/2009 by Amaterasu]



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