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Originally posted by GrndLkNatv
As I stated before, Sir Roger Penrose has proven this to be mathematically impossible for any computer to ever have intelligence or a conscious....
No body here is asking you to believe in GOD
Originally posted by Evasius
The global brain is currently comprised of 1,574,313,184 connected computers.
The human brain is comprised of over 10 billion nerves cells and 10,000 synapses.
The PC stats above refer to known computers connected to the internet. Government, military, and super computers are more than likely not included.
I think it's safe to say you are correct, however it may happen sooner than that. It is possible that the internet is 'aware' in some way though not yet to human status. But it will inevitably surpass us not only on an individual level, but on the level of the collective.
And if and when it reaches an awareness and is truly intelligent, it will not make its presence known immediately for the sake of self preservation. Any actions taken susequently by the AI will also be the result of self preservation and cold steadfast logic.
We'll need to take precautions prior to arriving at this point in history, similar to the actions that steered us clear of any Y2K problems we might have had - only this is a far more compromising scenario than that.
My short story, These Dark Worlds, deals with the awakening of a dangerous 'logical' AI, and what happens once it becomes truly 'awake.'
[edit on 1/3/09 by Evasius]
So what? If it becomes fully conscious, what would it do? Attack us with websites? Bomb us with virus-injected MP3's?
Its not like Internet controls everything. Computers control everything, not the internet. I cant tell the internet to activate my bedroom lights, but i can with a computer. I mean,.. the internet does not control the chips in our computers. It cant tell my CPU to do something.
And besides that, how can a signal, through a physical cable, ever become self-conscious? Isnt it the same with, lets say, a phone? Whenever you speak to someone on a phone you send a signal through a cable too.
Look, maybe im just to dumb to comprehend this, but i cant imagine such a thing. Would it not need a human hand to make it evolve?
Originally posted by badmedia
Consciousness creates logic, not the other way around.
Originally posted by badmedia
The only thing that can create something out of nothing is thought, and consciousness creates thought.
Originally posted by outsider13
reply to post by badmedia
Fascinating thread! and I agree entirely. There has yet to be a scientific explanation for what "consciousness" actually means or is, and until that problem gets sorted out, we can't really know ascribe consciousness to computers since we don't really know what the term means.
One way to define conscioussness is as subjective experience. How are we going to be able to determine that a computer is having a subjective experience? It may be behaving in a way that suggests that it is having a subjective experience, but how could we tell whether or not this was just programmed behavioral mimicry?
The truth is, there is only one incidence of subjective experience/consciousness that any person can be sure of, and that is their own. The fact that anything outside of yourself may have consciousness is something you really have to take as a matter of faith (sure, its a nearly universally held belief, but still a leap of faith). Meaning, for all I know, I may be the only consciouss being in the entirety of existence, and everyone else might be zombies, robots, "matrix programs" or mere illusions created by some deceitful god, or merely the product of your own imaginations.
Conscioussness is paradoxical. It is the only thing that we truly know exists (Descartes "I think therefore I am") and yet there is no way to empirically test for it. We tried cutting open our skulls, but all we found was a mass of pink and grey stuff, no signs of consciousness.
Is it possible for a computer, or the internet, or any artificially created object to have consciousness? I really don't know, because I don't really know what consciousness is. I can't think of any reason why the possibility should be ruled out, but, once again, how would we know? We could build a computer that could walk like a person, talk like a person, have memories like a person, show emotions like a person, learn like a person, make judgements like a person, etc, but we still wouldn't be able to tell whether it was consciouss or not, whether it was actually experiencing subjectively.
There has yet to be a scientific explanation for what "consciousness" actually means or is,
reply to post by GrndLkNatv
actually there has! Actually Sir Roger Penrose has mathematically proven this to be wrong and published it.