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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
The bottom line is physical things don't last more than a few thousand years as someone already mentioned.
Originally posted by mf_luder
Sorry, didn't mean to offend or cause any heartburn.
I guess what I'm trying to say is - there is so much lost to time that we aren't really sure (and probably never will be) what was there. Hell, a lot of people who believe in Atlantis think that they may have been on par with us in terms of technology and the like.
You're right though - civilization was around a lot longer.
weve made societies work>? where have i been? and what are half the people doing on this site then?
Originally posted by mf_luder
Just a small addition: Something to keep in mind is the decay time for manmade objects and materials. Our hardest steel breaks down and vanishes after roughly 1000 years or so. So imagine something similar to New York City being buried under the Atlantic for oh, possibly up to 5-9k years and you can see why it seems so hard to believe something was here before.
I personally find it hard to believe that Homo Sapiens has been around for nearly 100,000 years or so and we just recently started figuring out how to make societies work.
I think there was some stuff that was lost to the ages.
Good thread star and flag for you.
So then how does science explain semi-ovoid metallic tubes dug out of 65-million-year-old Cretaceous chalk in France? In 1885, a block of coal was broken open to find a metal cube obviously worked by intelligent hands. In 1912, employees at an electric plant broke apart a large chunk of coal out of which fell an iron pot! A nail was found embedded in a sandstone block from the Mesozoic Era.
Over the last few decades, miners in South Africa have been digging up mysterious metal spheres. Origin unknown, these spheres measure approximately an inch or so in diameter, and some are etched with three parallel grooves running around the equator. Two types of spheres have been found: one is composed of a solid bluish metal with flecks of white; the other is hollowed out and filled with a spongy white substance. The kicker is that the rock in which they where found is Precambrian - and dated to 2.8 billion years old! Who made them and for what purpose is unknown.
In 1938, an archeological expedition led by Dr. Chi Pu Tei into the Baian-Kara-Ula mountains of China made an astonishing discovery in some caves that had apparently been occupied by some ancient culture. Buried in the dust of ages on the cave floor were hundreds of stone disks. Measuring about nine inches in diameter, each had a circle cut into the center and was etched with a spiral groove, making it look for all the world like some ancient phonograph record some 10,000 to 12,000 years old. The spiral groove, it turns out, is actually composed of tiny hieroglyphics that tell the incredible story of spaceships from some distant world that crash-landed in the mountains. The ships were piloted by people who called themselves the Dropa, and the remains of whose descendents, possibly, were found in the cave.
In the 1930s, Dr. Javier Cabrera, a medical doctor, received a gift of a strange stone from a local farmer. Dr. Cabrera was so intrigued that he collected more than 1,100 of these andesite stones, which are estimated to be between 500 and 1,500 years old and have become known collectively as the Ica Stones. The stones bear etchings, many of which are sexually graphic (which was common to the culture); some picture idols and others depict such practices as open-heart surgery and brain transplants. The most astonishing etchings, however, clearly represent dinosaurs - brontosaurs, triceratops (see photo), stegosaurus and pterosaurs. While skeptics consider the Ica Stones a hoax, their authenticity has neither been proved or disproved.