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Mexico: U.S. Must Stop Gun Trade At Border

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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 01:04 AM

Mexico: U.S. Must Stop Gun Trade At Border

President Calderon Says 90% Of Weapons Seized From Drug Cartels Were Smuggled Into Mexico From U.S.

(CBS/AP) Mexico blames the U.S. for arming the world's most powerful drug cartels, a complaint supported on Friday by a U.S. government report that found nearly all of Mexico's escalating drug killings involved weapons from north of the border.

President Felipe Calderon and his top prosecutor told The Associated Press on Thursday that Mexican police and soldiers are dangerously outgunned because U.S. authorities are failing to stop the smuggling of high-powered weapons into Mexico.
So...what's this gonna mean in the near future?

Mexico going to claim the US Governments behind it?

US going to step up their 2nd Amendment attacks?

US going to barricade the Border?

This is going to be coming to the forefront in the coming weeks I suspect...what to do?

Mexican troops reinforce besieged border city

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (Reuters) - Nearly 2,000 Mexican soldiers poured into Ciudad Juarez on Saturday to restore law and order to the country's most violent city, which has been ravaged by drug gangs.

This month hitmen fighting for lucrative smuggling routes killed 250 people in the city, which is across the U.S. border from El Paso, Texas.

The soldiers are the first contingent of as many as 5,000 troops and federal police being sent to Juarez.

Almost 2,500 soldiers and federal police have been there for nearly a year, but they have failed to curb the violence plaguing the city of about 1.6 million people.

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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 01:39 AM
Yup, they will ban guns here to stop these drug lords from getting hand grenades and LAW anti-tank missles.

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 01:46 AM
Of course the weapons they are using are coming from north of the border. The American Government keeps selling and arming the Mexican Army.

The cartels are scooping up Mexican Army soldiers and paying them better, then some corrupt soldiers are selling them weapons from out of the Mexican Army's weapons caches.

But you don't ever hear how corrupt their own government is or their military is. Unless it is from somebody outside the government.

I believe this is all orchestrated, the cartels have infiltrated the Mexican government and despite what anyone says Mexico is a Narco state.

As long as the US citizens are armed they cannot launch a full scale assault on US soil. Between the cops and a heavily armed citizenry they know all hell will be unleashed upon them, a war with the US citizens in one they know they cannot win.

Now combine that with the gun-grabbers, and the CIA manipulating the intel because drugs are the source of their funding, and you have a perfect setup to assault our constitutional rights.

Instead of doing the proper thing and relaxing gun laws and securing the boarder they are more concerned with power and granting amnesty to the illegals to grow their base and cement their power.

Instead what they are going to get is a blood bath that will quickly rage out of control and a citizenry, after amnesty, that will start their own political party and unseat them from power either violently or democratically.

Just my .02

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 01:48 AM
I guess that's where my reasoning was leading also...

They'd have to get them from our Government or theirs...the average joe don't pack enough heat of that caliber to arm that many.

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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 02:02 AM
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

You hit the nail on the head.

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 02:19 AM
the Drug Cartels are armed with full auto AK47s RPGs and handgrenades.
this is one stupid reporter or i need to find a new gun shop because i have never found a gun shop in the US that sold full auto AKs, RPGs and HANDGRENADES.
Why complain to the US about AK47s they are made in Russia and China.
and there are many cases of AKs found in the US with the same serial numbers. It seams when china and russia sold weapons that had been demilled to to semi auto to companies in the US they made new weapons reusing the old numbers.
Some of these have later been sold to the US importers.
and some of them have been sold to arms dealers around the world and then sold to less then repeatable people.
There has been more then 75 million AK47s manufactured by Russia, China and about 19 other countries. Yet the highest serial number i have ever seen on a AK47 is six digit.

What would keep a country like China from taking there old records of semi-auto AK47s they sold through importers to the US and making more full auto AK47s with the same serial numbers and selling them to the drug cartels.

This would cause a LOT of hate and discontent between the US and Mexico.
and would not hurt the Chinese at all. It also would make it look like guns from the US were being supplied to the drug cartels in mexico.
also Iran and North Korea both have factories to make them and if the got there hands on a list of weapons imported to the US they WOULD clone them and sell them to the drug cartels to cause trouble. Iran has already been caught counterfeiting US money,
All three of these countries would like to see the people in the US disarmed.

IF MEXICO STOPPED THE FLOW OF ILLEGAL TO THE US there would be a lot fewer illegals to smuggle weapons back into Mexico.
it would also mean a lot less drugs being smuggled into the US.

So we need to tell Mexico to stop the drugs and illegals and then we will stop the guns.

The US government also needs to do a better job checking if these AK47s are really from the US or clones. This means hunting down the buyer of records in the US and find out where and how the guns got to Mexico.
and arresting anyone that is trafficking in AK47s or other guns to mexico.

I am betting they will find guns still in the US that the Mexican government claims they have taken from drug cartels.

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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 03:10 AM
Interesting conflicts in this article... I believe this is an excuse for gun control / AWB since for one, our gun shows and guns shops DON'T sell Rocket Launchers and grenades... also, the ATF statistics later in the article show a much smaller number.

"Let me express to you that we've seized in this two years more than 25,000 weapons and guns, and more than 90 percent of them came from United States, and I'm talking from missiles launchers to machine guns and grenades."

Now the ATF numbers from the same article:

The ATF says more than 7,700 guns sold in America were traced to Mexico last year, up from 3,300 the year before and about 2,100 in 2006.

Now the astronomical number from the same article: (730,000 guns to Mexico last year).... wow, that is almost 100x the ATF number.

The Brookings Institution has estimated that 2,000 guns enter Mexico from the United States every day.

Then this "misleading" statement:

When the U.S. enforced the assault weapons ban, only 21 percent of the weapons Mexico seized from traffickers were assault rifles, Eduardo Medina Mora, Mexico's Attorney General said.

OK, you could buy an AR15 during the "ban" just as you can today because none of these weapons were "banned". Anyone with half a brain knows this and this statement "suggests" than the AWB had something to do with traffickers not having weapons... I call BS.

Now most of this CBS article is taken from the New York Times article below... except the NYT article goes into much more detail, showing how the ATF traced guns back to the seller and busted the guy... that is what they do you know, they trace the guns sold in the US back to the seller and bust them... but the CBS article "suggests" that the US is just flooding weapons over the border because nobody will do a thing about it... of course a new law would do the trick.. wink wink.

In 2007, the firearms agency traced 2,400 weapons seized in Mexico back to dealers in the United States, and 1,800 of those came from dealers operating in the four states along the border, with Texas first, followed by California, Arizona and New Mexico.

So, it isn't hard to trace them back to the "corrupt" dealers on the border that are doing this crap and prosecute them as they are this Mr. Iknadosian.

Good, I want these bastards who sell to the drug cartels prosecuted, but I fear the agenda with all these stories about US weapons flowing into Mexico are being exaggerated to press gun control here.
Colombia Rebels Linked to Mexico Drug Cartels

The arsenals of Mexico's drug cartels include .50-caliber machine guns, anti-tank rockets, grenade launch­ers, fragmentation grenades, and mortars. Ordinary police units are often simply outgunned.

Ok guys, they ain't getting these weapons at the gun shows or US gun stores now are they....
From Spanish Newspaper, Mexican Drug cartels work with Iranian terrorist groups

According to the report, the Islamic Revolutionary Guards and other organizations are running the courses given in Iran, and they include training the Mexicans in the handling of bazookas and rocket launchers, among other high caliber weaponry, along side sympathizers of al-Qaida.

One of the reasons for the Iranian training is that the Mexican cartels are acquiring more and more powerful weaponry of higher caliber, like rocket launchers, to confront the army (Mexican) that has been deployed in various states to fight against them since December 2006.

Hmmm... wonder where those rocket launchers an .50 cals are coming from?

Now the LA Times gets even better

An estimated 97% of the arms used by the Mexican cartels -- including military-grade grenade launchers and assault weapons -- are purchased at sporting goods stores and gun shows on the U.S. side of the border and then smuggled south, according to the Mexican government.

Now it is 97% and military grenade launchers purchased at US sporting goods stores.... Where the hell are these stores, I want some military grenade launchers and grenades.. (sarcasm)

Gen. Barry McCaffrey, the former U.S. drug czar, says that amid the escalating bloodshed, it’s not unusual to find Mexican thugs armed with, “sea-going submersibles, helicopters and modern transport aviation, automatic weapons, RPG’s, Anti-Tank 66 mm rockets, mines and booby traps, heavy machine guns, 50 cal sniper rifles, massive use of military hand grenades, and the most modern models of 40mm grenade machine guns.”

Get my point yet... LAST MONTH were talking about how well armed these guys are... Now suddenly in February all these stories about how US gunstores are responsible for arming the drug gangs with all these weapons... err.. 40mm grenade machine guns, RPG's, Anti tank rockets.. these aren't from Bass Pro shop now are they?

Sure, the ATF is busting a few US gun dealers as they should but these are only a few hundred semi auto rifles... not the freeking machine guns and RPG's that have flooded the area... what gives... why all the attention on US gun laws... hmmm

Here is another one.

There are nearly 7,000 gun shops along the southern U.S. border, about three for every mile. They sell thousands of hand grenades, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, AK-47s, and "cop killer" guns and bullets that cut through Kevlar body armor. The weapons quickly flow south, again with barely a nod from U.S. Border Patrol.

Really? Gun shops selling thousands of hand grenades & RPG's....

, a major firefight occurred just across the border from the United States in Reynosa, when Mexican authorities attempted to apprehend several armed men seen riding in a vehicle. The men fled to a nearby residence and engaged the pursuing police with gunfire, hand grenades and rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs). After the incident, in which five cartel gunmen were killed and several gunmen, cops, soldiers and civilians were wounded, authorities recovered a 60 mm mortar, five RPG rounds and two fragmentation grenades.

60 mm mortar... did that come from Dicks Sporting Goods??

M72 and AT-4 antitank rockets, RPG-7 rocket launchers, 37- and 40-mm MGL grenade launchers, large amounts of fragmentation grenades and 50-mm Barret rifles have been confiscated from the Zetas. The list of arms confiscated from the gang last year also includes submachine guns and FN Herstal pistols, also known as "cop killers." Over the past 21 months, authorities have seized 28,000 firearms, 3.7 million rounds of ammunitions and 1,981 grenades. (Prensa Latina, Excélsior, Jan. 5)

"The 5.7 x 28, armor piercing (AP) rounds are not available for sale to the general public and are probably coming from the Mexican military," said Stewart who has analyzed U.S.-Mexican border security issues for half a decade.

Last week Gen. Ángeles Dahuajare announced that more than 17,000 soldiers had deserted in 2008.

"The Mexican Army is becoming a revolving door for the enforcement arm of the drug cartels; they simply pay better," Stewart said.

"If they don't get the weapons from the U.S., they'll get it from somewhere else: Brazil, Guatemala, Argentina or even former satellite state 'gray markets,'" he said.

Yes, there is a problem... bust these sons a beeches US gun dealers sending semi autos to Mexico.... but why the sudden exaggerated stories?

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 03:47 AM
I for one would like to see a 50mm Barret rifles
that would have a 1.96850394 inch bore and the sob that fired it you would not want to meet in a dark alley.

And yes Barret has sold there 50 bmg rifles to the Mexican army.
they likely don't want to admit that the Mexican army lost them.

According to the report, the Islamic Revolutionary Guards and other organizations are running the courses given in Iran, and they include training the Mexicans in the handling of bazookas and rocket launchers, among other high caliber weaponry, along side sympathizers of al-Qaida.

One of the reasons for the Iranian training is that the Mexican cartels are acquiring more and more powerful weaponry of higher caliber, like rocket launchers, to confront the army (Mexican) that has been deployed in various states to fight against them since December 2006.

I will bet they are selling the weapons along with training them.
are they selling cloned serial number AK47s to cause trouble.
this is likely where the RPGs and and likely many of the other heavy weapons are coming from.
Iran has a large merchant fleet that has been caught smuggling weapons to hamas and hasbala why not Mexico.

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 10:50 AM
reply to post by infolurker
WOW...that's some nice intel you've scratched up!
It does appear the numbers are increasing as the stories morph.

I thought it was weird about the heavy duty military ordinance being mentioned. Ain't no average Joe sporting good shop putting that out.

A well weaved MSM fabrication it appears, to distort the true facts...thanks for all that info!!!

star 4 U!

U.S. rattled as Mexico drug war bleeds over border

[edit on 3/1/2009 by Hx3_1963]

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