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reply posted on 1-3-2009 @ 08:20 AM by huckfinn
Underlying and quietly guiding Islam (Christianity/Judaism?) there exists a more subtle spiritual philosophy which is opposed to all Life. I don't know its name but it's not opposed to just human life or societies, but also plants and animals, wind, water and earth.

Underlying and mixed in with Islam is a faith which has turned what was once a region of forests and pastures into a desert. A region which once, not long ago, supported the same species of animals one could easily find in Sub-Saharan Africa and India barely supports its human population and its Nations survive only because they import food with the proceeds of their only substantial resource and foundation of their entire economy; a stinking black sludged for which the world has found a use and that pollutes the air, water and earth througout the world; how ironic...that the primary export of the Islamic world, Crude Oil, and some unnamed philosophy underlying Islam are similar in every way.

In addition to polluting the world with their Oil, they've concocted some myth of an American Empire. Newsflash, there is no such thing as an American Empire. It's yet another lie coming from the home of the lie. Telling lies so as to turn your home into a ruin, just as their ancestors did before this time.

But it matters not as the War has entered its final stage. and this monster is being choked to death in a dark place and won't bother the world again for a long time. You all get to watch its demise and see its trial, for proof of what I say.



reply posted on 1-3-2009 @ 08:59 AM by orkson
reply to post by cooler



Ok, sorry to recall some historical facts, but I think it's not useless, if we want to understand the root of the problems we're facing to-day :

The creation of Israel.

In 1922 the population of Palestine consisted of approximately 589,200 Muslims, 83,800 Jews, 71,500 Christians and 7,600 others (1922 census[8]). Gradually a large number of Jews immigrated to the area, most of whom were fleeing increasing persecution in Europe. This immigration and accompanying call for a Jewish state in Palestine drew violent opposition from local Arabs, in part because of Zionism's stated goal of a Jewish state, which many Arabs believed would require the subjugation or removal of the existing non-Jewish population.


On 29 November 1947 the United Nations General Assembly approved a plan, UN General Assembly Resolution 181, to resolve the Arab-Jewish conflict by partitioning Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.
Each state would comprise three major sections, linked by extraterritorial crossroads; the Arab state would also have an enclave at Jaffa.
With about 32% of the population, the Jews would get 56% of the territory, an area that contained 499,000 Jews and 438,000 Palestinians, though this included the inhospitable Negev Desert in the south.
The Palestinians would get 42% of the land, which had a population of 818,000 Palestinians and 10,000 Jews. In consideration of its religious significance, the Jerusalem area, including Bethlehem, with 100,000 Jews and an equal number of Palestinians, was to become a Corpus Separatum, to be administered by the UN.[27]The Jewish leadership accepted the partition plan as "the indispensable minimum,"[28] glad as they were with the international recognition but sorry that they did not receive more.

Arguing that the partition plan was unfair to the Arabs with regard to the population balance at that time, the representatives of the Palestinian Arabs and the Arab League firmly opposed the UN action and even rejected its authority to involve itself in the entire matter.[30] They upheld "that the rule of Palestine should revert to its inhabitants, in accordance with the provisions of [...] the Charter of the United Nations."[31] According to Article 73b of the Charter, the UN should develop self-government of the peoples in a territory under its administration.


Now that pieces are connected, just imagine this scenario :
- You're English, in UK. Italy has been whipped out by earthquakes.
- Arguing a long back presence of the Romans on your ground, the Romists decide to stage a Roman territory on UK, and the UN, decides to share UK between the Italians and the English-born citizens.
- Thanks to the Italian "diaspora" in the USA, this country decidesd to help the Romists, which they train and arm.
Etc... See the figure ?
It's SF, I agree. But it's what occured to the Palestinians !
There are now more than 5 Million palestinians refugees in the Middle East.
If you think it's not enough to feed the fire ...

Someone in a post, told "we haven't enough bombed them".

I think he should takie some more history curses.


reply posted on 1-3-2009 @ 09:11 AM by cooler
Originally posted by orkson
reply to
post by cooler



Ok, sorry to recall some historical facts, but I think it's not useless, if we want to understand the root of the problems we're facing to-day :

The creation of Israel.

In 1922 the population of Palestine consisted of approximately 589,200 Muslims, 83,800 Jews, 71,500 Christians and 7,600 others (1922 census[8]). Gradually a large number of Jews immigrated to the area, most of whom were fleeing increasing persecution in Europe. This immigration and accompanying call for a Jewish state in Palestine drew violent opposition from local Arabs, in part because of Zionism's stated goal of a Jewish state, which many Arabs believed would require the subjugation or removal of the existing non-Jewish population.


On 29 November 1947 the United Nations General Assembly approved a plan, UN General Assembly Resolution 181, to resolve the Arab-Jewish conflict by partitioning Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.
Each state would comprise three major sections, linked by extraterritorial crossroads; the Arab state would also have an enclave at Jaffa.
With about 32% of the population, the Jews would get 56% of the territory, an area that contained 499,000 Jews and 438,000 Palestinians, though this included the inhospitable Negev Desert in the south.
The Palestinians would get 42% of the land, which had a population of 818,000 Palestinians and 10,000 Jews. In consideration of its religious significance, the Jerusalem area, including Bethlehem, with 100,000 Jews and an equal number of Palestinians, was to become a Corpus Separatum, to be administered by the UN.[27]The Jewish leadership accepted the partition plan as "the indispensable minimum,"[28] glad as they were with the international recognition but sorry that they did not receive more.

Arguing that the partition plan was unfair to the Arabs with regard to the population balance at that time, the representatives of the Palestinian Arabs and the Arab League firmly opposed the UN action and even rejected its authority to involve itself in the entire matter.[30] They upheld "that the rule of Palestine should revert to its inhabitants, in accordance with the provisions of [...] the Charter of the United Nations."[31] According to Article 73b of the Charter, the UN should develop self-government of the peoples in a territory under its administration.


Now that pieces are connected, just imagine this scenario :
- You're English, in UK. Italy has been whipped out by earthquakes.
- Arguing a long back presence of the Romans on your ground, the Romists decide to stage a Roman territory on UK, and the UN, decides to share UK between the Italians and the English-born citizens.
- Thanks to the Italian "diaspora" in the USA, this country decidesd to help the Romists, which they train and arm.
Etc... See the figure ?
It's SF, I agree. But it's what occured to the Palestinians !
There are now more than 5 Million palestinians refugees in the Middle East.
If you think it's not enough to feed the fire ...

Someone in a post, told "we haven't enough bombed them".

I think he should takie some more history curses.

ok according to your post there appears to be no hstory prior to 1922 !!.
if you are going to cherry pick bits of history to suit your aguement please tell us why ?
& can you please show us a detailed history of the past 2000 years in that area, that will show things to be different over who was there over this time.
not saying who is right & who is wrong but i think this debate is
1ff topic
2:incomplete


reply posted on 1-3-2009 @ 09:17 AM by Frith
reply to post by Beltha



I've heard all this since 2001. For almost eight years now its been pounded into my head how dangerous radical islam is. Then I look at the results of the War on Terror. Two wars that haven't officially ended yet. One of which was completely superfluous and more than likely imperial in nature. And not even so much as a confirmation of the capture or killing of the man claimed most responsible for the attacks of 9/11/01. Which is ridiculous to me considering the power of the U.S. and allied forces engaged in battle.

Not to mention if you're a conspiracy theorist then the whole thing was completely a setup and all death and destruction coming from the wars are non-defensive in nature.

The solutions given by those who support the War on Terror who continue to talk about the percentage of radicalism within the islamic population seem to have no peaceful options. Recently I heard Rick Santorum painting all of islam as radical and incapable of being dealt with peacefully.

Basically I choose to ignore people who talk about the War on Terror in these stark terms. I saw the results of the last two wars and I'm not looking towards a third. The threat as claimed even if real has been completely exaggerated and I will never, ever support the War on Terror given how tragically it has been executed.

[edit on 1-3-2009 by Frith]


reply posted on 1-3-2009 @ 09:17 AM by cooler
Originally posted by orkson
reply to
post by cooler



Ok, sorry to recall some historical facts, but I think it's not useless, if we want to understand the root of the problems we're facing to-day :

The creation of Israel.

In 1922 the population of Palestine consisted of approximately 589,200 Muslims, 83,800 Jews, 71,500 Christians and 7,600 others (1922 census[8]). Gradually a large number of Jews immigrated to the area, most of whom were fleeing increasing persecution in Europe. This immigration and accompanying call for a Jewish state in Palestine drew violent opposition from local Arabs, in part because of Zionism's stated goal of a Jewish state, which many Arabs believed would require the subjugation or removal of the existing non-Jewish population.


On 29 November 1947 the United Nations General Assembly approved a plan, UN General Assembly Resolution 181, to resolve the Arab-Jewish conflict by partitioning Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.
Each state would comprise three major sections, linked by extraterritorial crossroads; the Arab state would also have an enclave at Jaffa.
With about 32% of the population, the Jews would get 56% of the territory, an area that contained 499,000 Jews and 438,000 Palestinians, though this included the inhospitable Negev Desert in the south.
The Palestinians would get 42% of the land, which had a population of 818,000 Palestinians and 10,000 Jews. In consideration of its religious significance, the Jerusalem area, including Bethlehem, with 100,000 Jews and an equal number of Palestinians, was to become a Corpus Separatum, to be administered by the UN.[27]The Jewish leadership accepted the partition plan as "the indispensable minimum,"[28] glad as they were with the international recognition but sorry that they did not receive more.

Arguing that the partition plan was unfair to the Arabs with regard to the population balance at that time, the representatives of the Palestinian Arabs and the Arab League firmly opposed the UN action and even rejected its authority to involve itself in the entire matter.[30] They upheld "that the rule of Palestine should revert to its inhabitants, in accordance with the provisions of [...] the Charter of the United Nations."[31] According to Article 73b of the Charter, the UN should develop self-government of the peoples in a territory under its administration.


Now that pieces are connected, just imagine this scenario :
- You're English, in UK. Italy has been whipped out by earthquakes.
- Arguing a long back presence of the Romans on your ground, the Romists decide to stage a Roman territory on UK, and the UN, decides to share UK between the Italians and the English-born citizens.
- Thanks to the Italian "diaspora" in the USA, this country decidesd to help the Romists, which they train and arm.
Etc... See the figure ?
It's SF, I agree. But it's what occured to the Palestinians !
There are now more than 5 Million palestinians refugees in the Middle East.
If you think it's not enough to feed the fire ...

Someone in a post, told "we haven't enough bombed them".

I think he should takie some more history curses.

i think the answer to this is called
9/10ths of the law is posession thus if you are bigger than me & or have more guns & bombs than me then you are strong enough to push me of the land i stand on.
as for who is right to stand on that land becuase of a said god is 99.9% likley to cause a war leading to 9/10ths.



reply posted on 1-3-2009 @ 09:26 AM by orkson
reply to post by cooler



Ok.

If you think that speaking of ISRAEL and of the conditions of it's creation on the land of Palestine, is "off topic" when the topic is "Radical Islam", well... you're missing something.

Besides this, don't forget that I didnn't say that it was the ONLY origin of the HATE that radical Islam shows towards the West.

Islam has been, is and will be intrinsiquely a danger for our civilization.

But to be honest, you must aknowledge that in 1922, Arabs, Jews ans Christians lived there IN PEACE since a lot of centuries. Zionism put the fire in this region.

For your claim of "history hasn't begun in 1922" ...
Yes, I know.
Has it begun when GOD "gave" this land to the sons of Israel ?


reply posted on 1-3-2009 @ 10:00 AM by volafox
reply to post by donhuangenaro


the radical view of the muslim world was here looooong before the 'western' influence. just ask the hindu and buddists of india. the only other religion that has spilled as much blood would be the catholics who didn't kill for the name of a god but for gold and domination. eventually the same will happen with islam though, and when the greed sets in like a secondary infection, the true Maker will have the scapel ready to remove the offending area.


reply posted on 1-3-2009 @ 10:06 AM by cooler
Originally posted by orkson
reply to
post by cooler



Ok.

If you think that speaking of ISRAEL and of the conditions of it's creation on the land of Palestine, is "off topic" when the topic is "Radical Islam", well... you're missing something.

Besides this, don't forget that I didnn't say that it was the ONLY origin of the HATE that radical Islam shows towards the West.

Islam has been, is and will be intrinsiquely a danger for our civilization.

But to be honest, you must aknowledge that in 1922, Arabs, Jews ans Christians lived there IN PEACE since a lot of centuries. Zionism put the fire in this region.

For your claim of "history hasn't begun in 1922" ...
Yes, I know.
Has it begun when GOD "gave" this land to the sons of Israel ?




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& befor 1922 ?
you still havnt gone into the complete history of the said area.
& yes i agree that islam is a continueing threat to civilization.
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