Those who are Awake have no obligations to those who are asleep.

reply to post by FritosBBQTwist


I'm sure only of one thing. I was born with the ability to get rid, or simply notice the importance of getting rid of self-pity and self-importance. Without this, you cannot really get anywhere. And with this ability, you can reconstruct all the mistakes you have accumulated from birth, through education process.

But even if we're all determined in this respect from the moment of birth or earlier, we have the ability to go against it and try to help others despite all odds. The only question is whether the others will "have the ear". And even if they don't, there's no harm done.

As person advances on this "path of knowledge" (as Castaneda called it), more opportunities open and the joy is greater and greater.

I have read many statements here on ATS from people who are scared of what is coming, and most of them make vows to get a gun and ammunition and then.... they have reduced their options to only one: Put a cloak of fear on and wait...

It is really sad, because this is a common stereotype, that this society has not prepared them in any better way to respond to difficulties, as if it were intentional...

Just read all this and must say to the OP "see how right you are?" of course your right, we owe them nothing, just keep doing what you have been doing, no one will know what your doing and you are safe, just blend in and say nothing, you know what needs to be done, do it.

Originally posted by mystiq
If you are truly enjoying your enlightenment and awareness, with no concern for humanity living by the billions under a steep sentence of poverty, infanticide, exploitation and slavery by the cartel, then you cannot say you are truly awake. We aren't being called to wake up for ourselves. Those who can see are on active duty!

I agree we are on active duty....yet the ones who don't WANT to wake up, don't want to out of their free will......as long as it is the "free will" of those we are awkening, they will rub they cobwebs from thier own eyes fast....unfortunatly, the rest are going down the tubes a bit fast as well....but they WANT to go down the tubes i think......I stop trying with the bitter ones and am just helping those who WANT to be helped from now on.

The bright are getting brighter....the dark darker.....there are less and less in the middle to help out, so I am just trying to help the newly awakend STAY awake at this point.

reply to post by FritosBBQTwist


I would say that any ATS member who can give 'wings' to his family
help tremendously to the collectiveness of our time here.

So far as I can tell, the 'sheeps' are running the basic programming
of survival and entertainment. I know, from my memory, I was NEVER
a go-fetch child... had trouble with authority, but not from my parents.
I always had clearly since 12 that the world bites hard and its UNFAIR.

So, IMHO, we have the obligation to our path of truth seeking at least
present our research, our precious chain-of-thought fought long and
hard for all those years to people that we care, and let they decide what
to do.

Truth doesnt need convincing. When the coin goes down, our job is done.

I have to agree with the OP. Outside my family and friends, the truth is
out there by the teachers we all know and listened before. Go in a church
and start saying that the bible comes from egypt and all is a "star-farce"
will only get you into trouble. Same as NWO.

When the system collapses and heads will start to look the other way,
we can join the teachers and claim the truth with the ones we love our
side.

But right now, today, family comes first.

[]´s
RP

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I agree with Zepherian completely.

But I've got to say, I also agree with the OP in that, if you see yourself as being among a group of people that is "awake" and look down on those with different views and opinions than you have, and you categorize these "dissenters" as "asleep", then you neither owe them anything nor do you have any business trying to change them into being someone who believes and thinks the same way that you do.

All those people that you categorize as "awake" and "asleep" are all just people with different views, opinions and priorities in life, to which they are completely entitled, and none is better than the next. This "awake" and "asleep" business is nothing more than divisive rhetoric to separate us, which is impossible.

I used to think I was "awake". But then I got over myself.

[edit on 28-2-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]

Mostly I agree with you and Zepherian as well. One more thing for me though, is to live being conscious of my actions and words, and how this impacts those around me. If a person lives as the OP suggested (selfishness), I would gather that he would "feel" that many people were "asleep". The "vibes" if you will that he gives out, would therefore close people off to him, as they would feel the negative energy.

When I run across people in my day to day life who give off such a negative energy, I shut down around them as well, because I do not need my energy being sucked from me.

Being conscious and compassionate, opens the door for others to live the same, without forcing your own beliefs and opinions upon them.

If you are being "conscious" you are aware of how your actions impact others around you, such as being aware a smile in the grocery store, will give you a smile back, and a frown will get you a frown back.

If a person is not "conscious", they would not even be aware of the type of energy they are sending out to the world.

I try to ask myself as often throughout the day as possible "what kind of energy am I sending out"? If I am not sure, I just have to look at the responses/energy that I am receiving from others.

The truth is? No matter how "awake" we might be, or how "conscious" we might be, we ALL have moments when we are rushing around, trying to get our day to day responsibilities taken care of, and we "forget" to "be" with the world.

We are, after all, human.

Anyway, that's my thinking on awake, asleep, conscious, unconscious.

Peace

I awoke about 6 months ago and have come to realize just how inferior most people are. I'll tell them about GMO foods, sodium flouride being the main ingredient in rat poison, suggest cancer rates having a connection with all this - ill bring up the softkill (won't say that word though) just to see if this sparks any interest. If they show no interest in this theres no point in bringing up any "conspiracies". The vast majority are so DETERMINELY ASLEEP and it does not matter if you can easily prove everything said. "Okay..." "Well thats just your opinion." "Your crazy."
These sheeple are the problem. Many good men who have the ability to just ask questions WILL DIE BECAUSE OF SHEEPLE. I will not feel sorry for the whole state of CA when they are first raped and preyed upon by the millions of criminal invaders and then shipped off to thier execution camp. They have no interest in history or freedom when they will happily tell you that guns are evil and the second ammendment (if they even know which ammendment it is) does not pertain to citizens yet could not recite the ammendment if thier life depended on it.

I will continue to bring up GMO foods, flouridation, mercury in vacines... just to see if I can spark someones curiosity. But most KNOW if the evening news didn't cover it, it doesn't exist.

I will also take comfort knowing women will be slaughtered much easier when the time comes. Why? What are the vast majority of todays modern womens reaction when they hear about a criminal divorce? What I see are heartless #s giggling and lighting up with glee, just like a serial killer incapable of feeling empathy. Women are much more suggestable and succeptable to trends, and the 60's brought a lack of strong moral men to tell women what's right and wrong. Theres a saying at first seem crass, but "you can't blame a woman for what she does wrong in the same way you can't blame a dog for what it does wrong". Think about it, in the 50's stealing everything a mans worked for his whole life because he was maybe working too much to fund everything, or cause the wife decided to stop having sex and then for some reason got bored, this was actually frowned upon as the classless heartless act it is. Ever wonder why there are no decent female composers, or why society feels women are too stupid and immature to be held accountable for thier actions, or why in the name of equality women must be given a leg up and handouts to compete against men in any setting? Victums of divorce are 4 times more likely to commit scuicide than rape victums, and men aware of this are not going to jump in front of enemy bullets to save a piece of #. Women are too stupid to realize feminism was brought to destroy mens love of country and love of women and many classless #s will have no one to protect them when the time comes.

You seem to feel that those who are awake are the one's who are smart enough to either a)recognize the mind-controlling tricks for the sheep -or- b)employ the mind-controlling tricks for the sheep.

Your what I call the 'neutral' portion of the population, also known as cowards.

This system designs 3 separate class's: The negative, neutral, and positive. The negative class is able to do whatever they want, no matter what it is, so long as they are not caught. If they are, its an embarrassment to the system, and they are punished for it. On the other hand, you have the positive, which are those who do good things for other people. If however, you try to help too much, you become a person of interest. At this point, you have 2 options: go with the flow and goto the negative side, or rebel and get shot. Then we have the neutrals. These people dont much care for whats going on - just as long as they have what they need to live/raise a family/etc.

THe neutrals are the ones the system loves the most - they are the ones that allow the system to continue as it does. Negatives only do things for personal gain, using exploits in the system. Positives do what they can with the restricted rules of the system. Neutrals have the most power - they can influence either positive or negative. However, by being neutral, they automatically support the negative side, since currently the system is geared towards negativity. The neutrals are the only ones who, in mass, can shift the balance back to positive. Positive can do it as well, but there are too many restrictions that prevent positive to grow to such a level that it cancels out all the negative.

Everyone starts off neutral. We learn our ways as we go along through life. It seems that you chose to use your knowledge to go to the negative side. Good luck to you then and all the best wishes.

Just remember, when the system fails, so do you.


And also keep in mind, its all taken us a longggg time to wake up. It takes a lot of knowledge to reach that awareness. I've been working on my 'awakening' for 10+ years, and I'm only 23 now. The fact is, yes, there are many people who are beyond waking up, but that's because there minds are set already.

You can either choose to use your knowledge to help them, or to serve yourself.

[edit on 28-2-2009 by Halzman]

reply to post by manganesejolt


What constitutes the "Awake" (emphasizing upper case) status? Is it something that could possibly be explained truly objectively in a thread as this? Is it something secret? If so, secretive is always the best single-word definition of the (current) PTB. Those who are on the right side of history and evolution are/will be against official secrecy - at least anything resembling the gargantuan level of it we know now.

reply to post by Halzman


You got it all wrong, Halzman

There are those who are well organized and well armed. That's #1.

#2, those who are not well organized are broken both on the outside and on the inside.

And #3. If they try to organize, they will immediately be spotted by the group #1 and eliminated by all imaginable means.

I'm sure they all understand this. Though, many refuse to even bring it to their consciousness. That makes them helpless and fearful. Their own undoing.

And how can they ever go against it when they know that others, who are helpless and fearful will betray any attempt to organize for a very very small price?

This is a very concrete dream. A solid dream and it takes a lot of energy to move them to the point where nothing matters any more and they are ready to sacrifice their life for freedom.

And we can talk here as much as we want, but this is something we should not neglect.

And #1 can indulge in their superiority as much as they want, but they will have to face the inevitable, the Iceman coming with the measure to count their hairs.

Because beyond their horizon there is a vast swamp called graveyard.

And the Sun has been quiet for some time now, and when it awakens, there will be this Great Pulse which will awaken all and the lightning will pass through those which have prepared themselves by discarding unnecessary ballast.

And those who haven't will simply carbonize.

I seem to find more and more threads of people stating they're "awake" and yet in many ways there are not. To say that one is awake because one sees what the "economic collapse" is - well, it's pretty narrow. To say that people awakend are in any way more eligable to survive is pretty grim. Cows are meant to be transformed into steaks and leather, because that's the way things are? Wow, that's pretty awakened if you ask me.

An "awakend" person, aware of behind the scenes elite's manipulations, a person that sees the culture and society as a structure, a created thing buit for manipulation - yet a person that doesn't go further, not seing the grand pieces of the structure, its foundations... not even seeking those. Really awakened.

I guess more and more people seem to take some kind of pride in themselves for "awakining themselfs".

A person that seeks long enough sees that after every step there'a another trap and most are bound to fall into those. Not many though are able to admit in front of themselfs that their current view, their current *interpretation* might me wrong or imcomplete and that a bigger secret is still elusive.

I've stopped making statements long ago. Might interpretations might always be wrong. What I need is others "awakened" to point out my mistakes. And for that - I need others. I need a critical mass of people that might be able to openly discuss things that are somehow not allowed right now.

If we allow others to take a firmer grip on those asleep we will be bound to repeat it again and again.

Not to sound too new age'y (one of the traps as I see it) - we are not so disconnected from one another. Sooner or later all that will happen to those asleep - what we will permit by our passive behaviour - will affect us. It won't matter that you will "survive" the comming bad times.

Originally posted by manganesejolt

Originally posted by mystiq
If you are truly enjoying your enlightenment and awareness, with no concern for humanity living by the billions under a steep sentence of poverty, infanticide, exploitation and slavery by the cartel, then you cannot say you are truly awake. We aren't being called to wake up for ourselves. Those who can see are on active duty!

I also love a nice piece of Chateaubriand steak and wearing leather. Well, I like it best when the girl is wearing leather, but I'm generally pro-leather.

Compared to those of us who are Awake, those who are asleep feel and experience as little as a cow. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but that's how it is.

Some are born for a life as labourers or as fodder. Some are born to be sacrificed. Cows are born to become delicious steaks and shiny boots. This is how things are, and the sooner those with eyes to see can accept this the easier it will be for everybody.

That is a truly terrible world view.

reply to post by manganesejolt


I agree with the OP to a certain extent. What I am very much opposed to is the very nature of the NWO. If this is such a great and glorious system, why meet privately, use subversion, deception, and use others as stepping stools?

I remember a great man who said:

" The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know."
John F. Kennedy Speech, April 27, 1961

Your system is not about love and understanding. It won't be democratic and open but rather a socialistic dictatorship.

What ever happened to love your neighbor as you would love your self. Or what about he who is with out sin cast the first stone? Seems you've lost these ideals in your arrogant lust for power.

Unit we must but not in this fashion.

Originally posted by Tentickles
The thing is that even though we have wings to soar on, if we did those around us would weigh us down and cause us to crash with great force.

For instance I want my family to have wings as well but they do not and I have to fight to keep them aloft in these times, I am afraid to soar without my family, they have given me so much. That includes the ability to let my wings grow.

Also there are persons out there that wish to cut my wings off. Agents of the NWO if you will. If we soar to high and are seen by those persons they will shoot us down catch us and cage us.

I do truly hope there will be a day when I can soar without consequence, but in these hard times I cannot so I pretend I have no wings and secretly speak with others who have wings and the same wishes to soar with me (ATS and other sites.)

[edit on 28-2-2009 by Tentickles]

[edit on 28-2-2009 by Tentickles]

I do feel that I am awake and always have been and so many others around me are cattle. I don't feel responsibility for them if they know the truth but choose to ignore it because of stupidity. If you try to broach the subject and they act like you are bizarre then I think to myself good luck to you sir you are on your own. There are those who blindly believe all is good and these people deserve help if it can be extended WE AS THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS owe them that.

I feel the weight that your family puts upon you as does mine. When I think about storing food and rations, weapons plus necessities I think of the scenarious that I may have to deal with. My immediate family is number one but my immediate family would never let me turn my back on others in the family ALL of which would look to me when SHTF. They might talk # about me when i'm not around but they would come crying to me when things get bad. How the hell do you plan for feeding and protecting approximately 20 people all of which would puke if I made them shoot someone? I would never do this unless our lives were endangered but nonetheless it is a scenario that must be planned for. Also buying gold as a means of bartering in a world where dollars are worthless means I must have quite a bit on hand to support many people, that in itself is a burden considering it's weight and the need to protect it at all times. If we have to go mobile it's even worse.

I just hope beyond hope these preparations are for naught; everyone can laugh at me for storing smeat. Hell I laugh at the thought but it doesn't change the fact that it is the smart thing to do.

By claiming you are awake and stating your difference of opinion is only saying that you are trying to help others "wake up too".

Some of you say one thing but are showing otherwise.

Obligation? No.
Should we always try to educate others? I think so.
Is that practically the opposite of what the OP said? I think so.

This thread is filled with so many myopic metaphors it is somewhat hard to follow some of your posts

reply to post by DangerDeath


Rhetorical syllogism. Don't focus on democracy so much. Your argument only works because you at first validate democracy as if it were intrinsically indefectible, and then you refute your own claim with unsubstantiated logic, saying that it can be undermined in different circumstances, depending on what type of moral character he who votes possesses. Basically, you have to hope that everyone aspires to do good, and everyone understands the limits of their power, for a democracy to operate smoothly. You would be stuck in a system of maximin strategies, where you act in your own perceived best interest where you are living under the worst possible conditions imagined. Such a belief system would quickly lead to the demise of democracy, which is not what we see today.

[edit on 28-2-2009 by cognoscente]

So you awoke and now everyone else is sheeple.

Question for you, until you awoke, what exactly were you?


I commend you on your recent awareness, now bestow some of that knowledge on those that need it, minus the ego trip.

Originally posted by insignificanthuman
I awoke about 6 months ago and have come to realize just how inferior most people are. I'll tell them about GMO foods, sodium flouride being the main ingredient in rat poison, suggest cancer rates having a connection with all this - ill bring up the softkill (won't say that word though) just to see if this sparks any interest. If they show no interest in this theres no point in bringing up any "conspiracies". The vast majority are so DETERMINELY ASLEEP and it does not matter if you can easily prove everything said. "Okay..." "Well thats just your opinion." "Your crazy."
These sheeple are the problem. Many good men who have the ability to just ask questions WILL DIE BECAUSE OF SHEEPLE. I will not feel sorry for the whole state of CA when they are first raped and preyed upon by the millions of criminal invaders and then shipped off to thier execution camp. They have no interest in history or freedom when they will happily tell you that guns are evil and the second ammendment (if they even know which ammendment it is) does not pertain to citizens yet could not recite the ammendment if thier life depended on it.

I will continue to bring up GMO foods, flouridation, mercury in vacines... just to see if I can spark someones curiosity. But most KNOW if the evening news didn't cover it, it doesn't exist.

I will also take comfort knowing women will be slaughtered much easier when the time comes. Why? What are the vast majority of todays modern womens reaction when they hear about a criminal divorce? What I see are heartless #s giggling and lighting up with glee, just like a serial killer incapable of feeling empathy. Women are much more suggestable and succeptable to trends, and the 60's brought a lack of strong moral men to tell women what's right and wrong. Theres a saying at first seem crass, but "you can't blame a woman for what she does wrong in the same way you can't blame a dog for what it does wrong". Think about it, in the 50's stealing everything a mans worked for his whole life because he was maybe working too much to fund everything, or cause the wife decided to stop having sex and then for some reason got bored, this was actually frowned upon as the classless heartless act it is. Ever wonder why there are no decent female composers, or why society feels women are too stupid and immature to be held accountable for thier actions, or why in the name of equality women must be given a leg up and handouts to compete against men in any setting? Victums of divorce are 4 times more likely to commit scuicide than rape victums, and men aware of this are not going to jump in front of enemy bullets to save a piece of #. Women are too stupid to realize feminism was brought to destroy mens love of country and love of women and many classless #s will have no one to protect them when the time comes.

[edit on 28-2-2009 by Realtruth]

reply to post by Realtruth


Exactly what I am wondering...

This thread is filled with contradictions.

Unfortunately when ego's get in the way, basic logic goes right out the window, even with those that have studied logic for years.

Politicians are great examples.

Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
reply to post by Realtruth

 

Exactly what I am wondering...

This thread is filled with contradictions.

reply to post by cognoscente


So what is your point?

And those who don't vote, they're not using their right because they don't go to ballots?

They don't have a representative. Because they are ignored. Absent...

Isn't that political-ethical-democratic syllogism?

reply to post by DangerDeath


Of course, most of our confidence in democracy is derived from the law, from the knowledge that the law isn't subject to arbitrary fluctuation at the whim of those who administer it. So if you describe democracy as if it were apart from the law then you have missed the point. Democracy and law are inseparable, and there you have a mechanism to filter out dishonest and honest people. The Founding Fathers used "Democracy" in this regard as a pejorative to argue all its deficiencies. But in our modern definition of democracy, we focus on what it can bring to the table, such as the free exchange of ideas. The law is hiding within the definition, there in latent form, so we don't often acknowledge it. That's why people get frustrated when they say democracy is a poor ethical system.

What they are actually referring to is anarchy, but they don't seem to realize it. So most of the time such an argument is purely about semantics, and neither party realizes it. This usually results in a cyclical bout of intellectual bravado, since no one knows where the other is standing conclusively.

[edit on 28-2-2009 by cognoscente]