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Those who are Awake have no obligations to those who are asleep.

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posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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Ill let you in on a little secret. Free will doesnt exist. You cant use it to rationalize your little heaven hell senarios.




posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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free will does exist, it was a movie about a whale, wasnt it?



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:17 PM
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You are way off the target. I am artist and I publish my work.
Now, you have a problem misinterpreting things. Perhaps. because when you notice someone talking differently than you - he must be wrong!



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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The only reason you are awake is because the lessons you have learned from others, whether directly or indirectly. You should be thanking them for your awakening, not yourself. They have lighted the fuse to help trigger such self enlightenment.


Please speak for yourself, I'm glad for you that you had a lot of support for your enlightenment, but when I speak for myself, I have to say that I went through some troubled, lonely years to get to the point where I can feel at peace with my world views.

And I sure didn't get any help from the people around me.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:20 PM
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Personally I feel I am servant to those who are asleep. My entire reason for taking part in discussions is to try and help uncover the truth for people and give them understanding. Am I going to beat myself up because they don't wake up? No.

If it's right or wrong is simply a single question - if you were asleep would you want people to try and wake you up? The answer is yes. So how can you look at others and not do so? I can't.

If you are having a hard time waking people up, then perhaps it has something to do with your approach.

If you expect someone to change their mind in the middle of a debate, your expectations are too high. And if you are expecting the person to believe everything you do, then you are still sleeping.

And overall, even if you were right the entire strategy is just keeping the status quo.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by enigmania
 


Ill let you in on a little secret. Free will doesnt exist. You cant use it to rationalize your little heaven hell senarios.


It doesn't? Who's making you post those bull droppings then?

My little heaven hell scenarios?



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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I think you might be too lazy to move on.
Perhaps you lack faith?
Remember Orpheus? Why the hell he turned to check out whether Eurydice followed?

There is a point when you must depart, and those who feel they can learn something from you, or from the path you are walking, have to shake off their drowsiness and start walking.

If you think that you should spend your life siting by the bed of the sleeping ones, well, think about it...



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:30 PM
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To sit next to the sleeping and whisper to them in their dreams is what i would do if i had the power. The garden may produce fruit just as sweet without me, but i for one love to watch things grow. Me and badmedia will start our own heaven.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by DangerDeath
 


To sit next to the sleeping and whisper to them in their dreams is what i would do if i had the power. The garden may produce fruit just as sweet without me, but i for one love to watch things grow. Me and badmedia will start our own heaven.



Some flowers just aren't meant to grow to full bloom this lifetime.

The sooner you realize it the better.

Save yourself the trouble.

Those who truly seek help will present themselves on your way.

[edit on 28/2/09 by enigmania]



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:39 PM
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Hey let’s look at a couple of facts:

-Common sense is a gift of the few there’s nothing common about it, period.
-People who don’t believe the BS that the sheeple believe are labeled “Crazy” or deranged. So why bust our heads to help them.
-If you don’t follow a book that was edited and approved by one MAN then you worship the devil.
-We kill each other off over land, religion, money, and yes LOVE. Love my friends is not all nice and fuzzy warm, it is a double edged sword.
-Most people would rather be in front of their idiot boxes watching reality slum TV that teaches them it’s ok to turn against your fellows to get what you want, it’s ok to have multiple girl friends, let your friends sleep with your wives, it’s all good. Then feed you violent act after violent act to desensitize you to the violence that’s actually being committed.

I’m sorry but at some point you have to wonder how dumb are people in general?
If you want to label me as having an elitist mind set then go ahead, because I don’t consider myself as unaware and dumb as the cattle around me. I don’t think it’s cool to be on Maury or Springer, I don’t think it’s cool to be a player, I don’t think it’s cool to be a good liar and I don’t think that you need to destroy everyone in your path if you want to succeed in business
Does that make me free? No not really but ignorance is bliss right?
I would rather know that I’m part of some great machination and labeled an elitist rather than be associated with the people mentioned above. We’ve given everything else a try and it has only failed us, perhaps we need to have a mass change in consciousness and try something completely different.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:41 PM
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Your assuming that reincarnation exists..... there is no proof that reincarnation exists... the only people that spout that ignorance is starving delusional mountian people.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:46 PM
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WErtdagf, ur sig says it perfectly as well.

Being awake: "a puppet that can see their own strings"


Peace



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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Pindar:

"What we are and what we are not?
Man is a dream of a shadow."

So, wake up! Move on! There is a lot more out there than just being a sleeping beauty



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by Zepherian
This just in: university mind slave tries to justify the status quo. Other university mind slaves agree with him.

This thread is nothing but a pathetic ego infused atempt to justify selfishness. The OP is probably feeling dead inside, having lost the true meaning of his humanity.

People, that are people, owe it to each other to help the community. People, that are parasites (and here we have most of the supposedly 'higher educated') just leech off the system.

Here's the shocker, if your philosophy wins your world will die too. Because parasites can't survive without the host they invariably kill. If the NWO order scenario wins it won't last 1000 years, the tyranny will be so great it will collapse under it's own evil in just a few short generations. You cannot build a civilization on selfishness, it's a negative energy, it consumes. Just looking around with open eyes shows this. That the OP can't see it makes me think he's not as awake as he thinks he is, just leaning towards the dark side because it makes him feel better than everyone else, which is one of the root psychological problems of the current social meltdown.

If the NWO wins then we're back to rubbing sticks together.

Sorry for the harsh words, but you're grasping at straws here.


I dont care what anyone says here, YOU are DEAD ON. This guy talks about how making the right investments and being fine with watching your neighbors burn while you enjoy the luxuries everyone else doesn't even have the time or resources to consider makes me think you and your little friends here are too self centered to see how greedy a mind set that is. There are PLENTY of families that simply cannot invest, no money to do so, and plenty of people who cannot go to YALE or even a community college because they have to work two jobs just to pay rent to stay from living on the streets! ugh, you need a reality check!



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 04:02 PM
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We will have to wait and see what death brings. Then i can more accuratly make a choice about what it is i want. For now i am alive... and there is nothing better a living person could be doing that helping those around him.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Wertdagf
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Your assuming that reincarnation exists..... there is no proof that reincarnation exists... the only people that spout that ignorance is starving delusional mountian people.


Where is the proof of anything you said sofar?

The insult shows how enlightened you really are.

Well let me rephrase the line for you:

Some flowers just aren't meant to grow to full bloom.

I'm begining to think you are one of them.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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Compassion, Love, charity, thanks, giving are all are part of a truer intelligence.




It is in giving that we receive.


You and your mentor have taken yourselves too seriously.

Your heart is afraid. Don't discount it. We are all afraid, for each other. Without each other we are as yet incomplete and likely doomed.

The danger of over-intellectualizing is you loose touch with the qualitative side of the universe. The name is not the thing you named. It is an idea. A construct we use to grasp something we misinterpret as separate.

If your mother where poor, alone and sick and you where not there to help her, would you not wish her help from others? If others sporting an attitude as you did where her only hope, she would parish.

You must be intelligent enough to understand this. Are you not?

ZG



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 04:06 PM
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That quote is about you... why do you fail to see that?

You keep throwing it around and never apply it to yourself.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by manganesejolt

Originally posted by mystiq
If you are truly enjoying your enlightenment and awareness, with no concern for humanity living by the billions under a steep sentence of poverty, infanticide, exploitation and slavery by the cartel, then you cannot say you are truly awake. We aren't being called to wake up for ourselves. Those who can see are on active duty!


I also love a nice piece of Chateaubriand steak and wearing leather. Well, I like it best when the girl is wearing leather, but I'm generally pro-leather.

Compared to those of us who are Awake, those who are asleep feel and experience as little as a cow. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but that's how it is.

Some are born for a life as labourers or as fodder. Some are born to be sacrificed. Cows are born to become delicious steaks and shiny boots. This is how things are, and the sooner those with eyes to see can accept this the easier it will be for everybody.



When its all over, that mentality had better be as simple to remove as a renegade microchip, because truly this nightmare on earth is ending and the renegades will be dealt with, and we, the people will evolve into the cosmos!
This is a promise.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 04:10 PM
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What quote are we talking about?

You keep changing the subject.



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