Those who are Awake have no obligations to those who are asleep., page 20

reply to post by Electro38

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Once you realize reality has a fractal structure it becomes possible to go from the subjective to the objective. We all have the same structure of the universe within us, so we can understand the objective reality from it. This is part of the 'awake' meme also. Your argument is valid from a scientific left brain rational point of view, but there is truth beyond that.

But it's a path you'll have to tread for yourself, I can do nothing but say the way is there if you chose to take it. As Above so Below...

[edit on 5-3-2009 by Zepherian]

Originally posted by DangerDeath
reply to post by Electro38

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It is easy if you make distinction between knowledge and belief.
Knowledge is based on clear insight which doesn't need proof.
This can never be confirmed by reason, therefore the confusion. Reason relativizes everything.

I understand what you're saying, but in my opinion it really isn't that "easy".

Lets look at science. In physics there were some theories that were considered common knowledge among physicists. This common knowledge formed their beliefs of the workings of the universe. Later, some of these theories were proven wrong or not completely accurate. This then changed physicists belief in the workings of the universe, these beliefs were based on knowledge and were subjective (modified by their perception).

To me it's not that easy. Knowledge changes, perceptions change. In other words what is perceived as "knowledge" is not always completely accurate.

reply to post by Electro38

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I understand what you're saying, but in my opinion it really isn't that "easy".

Lets look at science. In physics there were some theories that were considered common knowledge among physicists. This common knowledge formed their beliefs of the workings of the universe. Later, some of these theories were proven wrong or not completely accurate. This then changed physicists belief in the workings of the universe, these beliefs were based on knowledge and were subjective (modified by their perception).

To me it's not that easy. Knowledge changes, perceptions change. In other words what is perceived as "knowledge" is not always completely accurate.

It is rather simple, but not easy. Needs great effort (force).

I'm glad you're a physicist

In quantum theory, is there causality? What causes quantum leap?

Or, what are physical characteristics of Force?

Force has no physical characteristics. What we measure is the "effects" of the force within a relative system, am I correct?

Force is abstract and is immeasurable, because you cannot use measure on something abstract.

Now, knowing this is knowledge. It connects physical and metaphysical plane, because Force affects physical world, and how Force does that? I think it is because it "knows how".

You see, if you want to comprehend this, you have to get out from the realm of causality - and there's your answer for the Big Bang theory!

If not, you're stuck at 10 on -44 seconds.

Actually, it is very easy: all you need to do is shake it off! But who will believe that?



P.S.
I distinguish two kinds of knowledge.
1. Knowledge of how things work, the Absolute knowledge, knowledge of the principles.
2. Technical knowledge of concrete manipulation of empirical data.



[edit on 5-3-2009 by DangerDeath]

reply to post by DangerDeath

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No, no, I'm not a physicist. (Was just using that as an example).

My argument in this thread was mainly about the OP's attitude, and that I believe the knowledge that many things are fake and manipulative isn't such a special thing.

But then it turned into this philosophical/metaphysical discussion which is very interesting. I think I understand what you said about force "knowing how to" do it's thing. Very interesting, I have to read through your last post a few times before I ask more questions, or can respond to it.

What is meme? And what is the significance of 528Hz?


[edit on 5-3-2009 by Electro38]

reply to post by Electro38

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Meme:

"A unit of cultural information, such as a cultural practice or idea, that is transmitted verbally or by repeated action from one mind to another."

The other question about Hz I don't know...

Usually, talking about Hz is talking about resonance, I guess.

reply to post by SoulOrb

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I see, so I have a closed mind because I give a damn about my neighbour.

I have a closed mind because I help others without expecting anything in return.

I have a closed mind because I am not ignorant to the suffering that some people on this planet are BORN into.

I have a closed mind because I can see how some have no free will and no rights.

I have a closed mind because I can see if we all adopted your attitude we would all have no rights and no free will.

I have a closed mind because I get things done instead of sitting around waiting for a day when everyone goes, BING, I am awakended to the eternal cosmic realm.

Damn you are one ignorant little person. What goes around comes around.

If I have offended you I humbly apologise oh mighty awakened one.

What a crock of.......



[edit on 6-3-2009 by XXXN3O]

reply to post by manganesejolt

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Your thesis reminds me of the Parable of the 10 Virgins.

Originally posted by XXXN3O
reply to post by SoulOrb

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I see, so I have a closed mind because I give a damn about my neighbour.

I have a closed mind because I help others without expecting anything in return.

I have a closed mind because I am not ignorant to the suffering that some people on this planet are BORN into.

I have a closed mind because I can see how some have no free will and no rights.

I have a closed mind because I can see if we all adopted your attitude we would all have no rights and no free will.

I have a closed mind because I get things done instead of sitting around waiting for a day when everyone goes, BING, I am awakended to the eternal cosmic realm.

Damn you are one ignorant little person. What goes around comes around.

If I have offended you I humbly apologise oh mighty awakened one.

What a crock of.......



[edit on 6-3-2009 by XXXN3O]

I agree if you would be fully awake then both the good and bad are revealed, a natural reaction to the bad would be compassion (otherwise madness, indifference is not possible when being awake).

I believe the topic starter is more about being socially awake (and becoming successful in life) contrary to those being socially asleep (those at the bottom who don't yet fully understand how society works), rather than being awake in a cosmic sense, and trying to phase out any feelings of guilt towards those who don't make it.

reply to post by manganesejolt

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well - awake, asleep - whatever

I don't respect your opinion

not that you care - clearly - you're above caring

realizing that there's a renewed emphasis on civility - I'm reprimanding myself and editing my own post

you won't miss what was here - but rethinking what I said - I now realize I could have said it better...and it only took me 6 hours to figure that out

I don't respect your opinion - because you've taken a serious topic that could have turned into an incredible discussion - and become one of the more noteworthy threads here at ATS - and made it all about you and your wannabe elitist fantasy

speaking directly from my tediously bleeding heart - my loyalties lie with mankind - in as much as this is where and how I got borned

as for the sheeple - there are many sheeple who, as it turns out - are incredible, warm, wonderful, generous caring people

I kinda dig the sheeple - especially since I am one of them

and whether or not you're up to admitting it - so are you

when referring to the undeserving masses as sheeple - I wonder that no one ever sees in themselves their own fear - and desperate neediness - needing to feel superior and incapable of being fooled

the irony being that in the end you will be used for shoe leather by those very same people so far above us all and "in the know"

the very same people you so admire

I don't respect your opinion - not just because it's arrogant and reeks of indifference - but because it takes away from the discussion we should all be prepared to have:

why do we care about each other - and why should we?

instead you made a rather weak attempt at making yourself look stronger and better than you probably are while trying to goad people into what you thought would turn into a heated and interesting discussion - which many people in this thread went on to have without your help

the only thing left to say - which I did say earlier on - is that I don't believe you are the Yale Man that you pretend to be

some truths really are self evident

[edit on 3/8/2009 by Spiramirabilis]

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