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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by CrashGecko
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As for the ones you call asleep you must wisper to them or they will strike you or just overreact and call you negative. It is frustrating when they are your responsability - for now i let live - when and if it is the time i will rack them up and scream like a drill sargent and save their ass!
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by HulaAnglers

 


You apparently do not know the job of a DS or DI. They are teachers and instructors that is it. If you fail they fail. So are you stating you have failed before you started?



so much hate on this thread. I like it.


[edit on 3/1/2009 by CrashGecko]



I don't even understand what you are talking about




posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 03:04 PM
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I will wait for an answer.


Yours truly,

Eye of Eagle



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 03:04 PM
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Unlike most of you and I am older and not new to crusades.

I have come to learn that when it comes to reality, especially "spiritual reality," we are not victims but are volunteers.

There are the masses who I would term; "The Gray People" those who go about life with their blinders on with no wish to have their boat rocked, regardless of the signs thrown at them.

Then there is a minority whom I call; "The People Different." Individuals and I emphasize individuals for it's not a group deal - that are finely tuned, and are spiritually awake, and not just to government or conspiracies.

Both groups are by conscious choice.

Although the gray people may be "borg" oriented, we are not so interconnected as some would like to romantically think. No, we are all to stand on our own two feet before our maker, regardless of our levels of denial. Either we are attracted to the Truth, or we are not. It is not a codependent deal.

We have hit an evolutionary Godly level of change in people, society and global changes. We are either willing to go along with the changes and grow, or we are part of the problem. It is a choice.

"I want to know Gods thoughts...the rest are details." - Einstein



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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Well I look at it differently than the OP. This economic/political system is totally doomed, anybody who has visited this site for any time and reads what is happening knows this. It's not if or might, but rather WHEN?

An Economic Armageddon, that will effect everybody.
They question is do you have any compassion at all for the people around you or would like to see them all just "twist in the wind".

For example if your walking down the street one day and you see flames coming from the roof of a house, but people are seen sitting calmly through the window totally unaware. Would you think "screw um, let them burn" or would you instinctively run to the door pound on it until they answer and warn them your house is on fire. Now if they choose to ignore you and swear at you, then what else can you do?

The point is we should still at least try.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by insignificanthuman
I awoke about 6 months ago and have come to realize just how inferior most people are. I'll tell them about GMO foods, sodium flouride being the main ingredient in rat poison, suggest cancer rates having a connection with all this - ill bring up the softkill (won't say that word though) just to see if this sparks any interest. If they show no interest in this theres no point in bringing up any "conspiracies". The vast majority are so DETERMINELY ASLEEP and it does not matter if you can easily prove everything said. "Okay..." "Well thats just your opinion." "Your crazy."
These sheeple are the problem. Many good men who have the ability to just ask questions WILL DIE BECAUSE OF SHEEPLE. .......................

I will also take comfort knowing women will be slaughtered much easier when the time comes. Why? What are the vast majority of todays modern womens reaction when they hear about a criminal divorce? What I see are heartless #s giggling and lighting up with glee, just like a serial killer incapable of feeling empathy. Women are much more suggestable and succeptable to trends, and the 60's brought a lack of strong moral men to tell women what's right and wrong. Theres a saying at first seem crass, but "you can't blame a woman for what she does wrong in the same way you can't blame a dog for what it does wrong". Think about it, in the 50's stealing everything a mans worked for his whole life because he was maybe working too much to fund everything, or cause the wife decided to stop having sex and then for some reason got bored, this was actually frowned upon as the classless heartless act it is. Ever wonder why there are no decent female composers, or why society feels women are too stupid and immature to be held accountable for thier actions, or why in the name of equality women must be given a leg up and handouts to compete against men in any setting? Victums of divorce are 4 times more likely to commit scuicide than rape victums, and men aware of this are not going to jump in front of enemy bullets to save a piece of #. Women are too stupid to realize feminism was brought to destroy mens love of country and love of women and many classless #s will have no one to protect them when the time comes.


is this what being "awake" means to you? this is a repulsive, hateful, evil point of view. your eyes are closed to the evil in your own heart, you exist in a darkness of thought and feeling, and when it comes to the truth of who women are or what they're capable of, you are truly asleep.

certainly there are shallow thoughtless women, JUST as there are shallow thoughtless men.

calling people "sheeple" shows such a lack of empathy and imagination; it's just the sort of bandwagon jumping elitist soapbox platform chest pounding that I found so offensive on youtube that I stopped going there.

there's a lot of talking on here about the "elite" - but what is more elitist than saying, "I'm awake, I'm better than you, and I'm not going to try and help you anymore because YOU'RE a SHEEPLE and not worth it"???

totally disheartening to read posts like this. it's like standing in front of someone spewing vomit, and it splatters on you and leaves behind its stench.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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The sweat is showing in your post and brother believe me I don’t blame you. The truth is from a managerial and logistical standpoint the Powers that Be should have spent a little more time actually in class, studying their books, and learning sound management and logistical abilities than social networking and partying. The whole lot of the New World Order crowd is the biggest group of incompetent self indulgent screw ups I have ever met in my life. The only thing that gives you any cohesion and motivation is staying one step ahead of the Judges Gavel, the Jury Box full of the pears you so despise and fear, and the hangman’s noose. My heroes try zeros.

I was born awake in a family where all but the eldest patriarch was asleep. He championed the average man, the worker, the honest man, and shunned the powers that be who relied on him in turn to provide both the technical expertise and managerial oversight to create, forge and bring their products to market. He told the Powers that Be the Truth. It’s better business to let the workers unionize, pay them a real living wage, and provide them a safe working environment, initial costs are higher, but workers are more productive and quality oriented and the additional profits far outweigh the initial out lays. They went a long after all the formula for forging their product was in his head not theirs.

I was 26 years old with a seventh grade education when I was first invited by some of the Powers that Be into their circle and to meet others of them at the Jonathan Club in Los Angeles. More trips there and to the California Club and Bohemian Club and Grove would expose me to many more. Most were products of Harvard or Yale most only hired products of Harvard or Yale, all confided admiringly the same thing. We have no idea how you learned the amazing things you know from the streets and the school of hard knocks but oh how we wish they taught it at Yale and Harvard.

They were an excellent source of business for my business because of a hierarchy they were all compelled to follow, a referral from on top would ripple all the way down without question. The New World Orders only strength is its ability out of necessity born of fear and greed to stick together and maintain their ranks. Their over inflated egos, excessive greed and sometimes glaring lack of talent and sound logistical planning will be their undoing.

I have a seventh grade education for one reason. I have always been fighting in one form or another the powers that be. Some times I have aided them willingly and at others without knowing where our agendas seem to coincide.

The truth is the sheeple aren’t to blame for these events you extol us to keep cool about. The arrogant and incompetent powers that be who conspired in every conceivable way to lull and keep them asleep or at least intimidated and scared are the managers that screwed up this pooch. Often bound to that task only to keep and hide the source of Daddy’s money and preserve Daddy’s manufactured reputation and freedom.

I can smell your fear. Your plans keep falling apart and getting pushed back. There is a musical chairs game going on too. The ranks are thinning, the games they are playing become more apparent as they become more desperate to a mounting tide of increasing numbers of awakened and truly skilled and better motivated adversaries who bring the fight to you with a passion born out of conviction, not greed, laziness or obligation.

There are many powers that be my brother. Some of which your brethren know, many more though you are desperate to gauge the numbers off who in fact intent to use every power at their disposal to protect the lovable sheeple from the herd dogs who in fact aren’t the good Sheppard but merely opportunistic and cowardly wolves in disguise.

Don’t put your incompetence, negligence, poor planning, and lack of better vision down as anything but what it is.

Great news there will be a New World Order just not the despotic and morally decayed and inherently flawed one you desperately envision. You had six thousand years to pull it off and like the bored, disaffected, and overly self indulgent people you are, you put it off to the eleventh and last hour to make a sloppy last ditch effort.

The real powers that be are here now. Time is set to expire. Game, set, match, you loose. Wolves can’t smell fear, just easy pickings to be gained by slinking and stealth. The sheepdog can smell fear. This dog can smell yours!




What the hell are you talking about when you post a reply to a post of mine that implies that I am part of the NWO. Are you totally devoid of reading comprehension or just made a mystake?

While I am by no means a Che Guevara or any type of armed revolutionary, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone more critical of the NWO elitism than I am.

I think you owe me an apology, or at the very least an edit.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by manganesejolt

When stability and sanity attain, however, we will have the best system ever devised. It's the system encoded on our DNA, the system of the natural aristocracy. The Gold shall have dominion over the Silver who have dominion over the bronze....



You use an analogy from the "Republic" with no real understanding of how Plato was classifying individuals. A mistake many make.

Plato's use of the metals was not an implication of value, but rather a comment on corruptibility. His Gold is ruler not because we value it for ornamentation, and thus sell it dear. His gold was gold because it is a "noble" metal, and highly resistant to corruption.

www.zephyrus.co.uk...

Plato was speaking of ones character, not their intelligence or their net worth. In other portions of the Republic he makes clear that there is no more dangerous creature to the harmony of a society than that human who has the mind of a philosopher and a character of bronze or iron.

He also makes clear that "lineage" is unimportant.


The people must be told that though for the most part iron and bronze people will produce iron and bronze children, silver people silver children, and gold people gold children, that is not always the case. It is critical to observe the next generation to discover their class of soul. Those who are born to producers but seem to have the nature of a guardian or an auxiliary will be whisked away and raised with other such children. Similarly, those born to guardians or auxiliaries who seem more fit as producers will be removed to that class of society. Although the just society is rigid in terms of adult mobility between classes, it is not as rigid in terms of heredity.


And that each person was to rise to the level their character and intelligence dictated, not their birth.

Your "elite" could not be further from Plato's vision of a "gold" personage, or philosopher king. A philosopher king had no way to benefit from his/her rule. No personal ownership of property, no personal liberty to marry, no say in the outcome of their own childrens position in society. The only benefit to a philosopher king from ruling justly was to live in a justly ruled state. The only motive being that if they did not do it, it would fall to someone less just.

[edit on 1-3-2009 by Illusionsaregrander]



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 07:01 PM
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the truth and such terms as enlightenment are subjective. As most of you would agree the community here at ATS would be considered to be, for the majority, an enlightened bunch. You all believe that you can see through the veils of lies to the grains of truth ion what is presented and find the facts that re important enough to be life changing.

Yet, even here in this community you find yourselves split into tribes, or camps when it comes to the big issues that cannot be tackled under the T&C. Things like whether Israel is an Apartheid state, historical revision of The Holocaust, how the events of and just after WWII lead to the socio-political mess we are all in now, the legalization of drugs, International Banking, and the influence of specific political movements in the realm of media and foreign governments.

So, even within this realm of enlightened beings there are still those that are accused of being asleep, or suffer the pride of believing that they are more enlightened than some others. IMO, until most people that are, for lack of a better term, truth seekers come to understand that the more they learn the less they know. I dread that there will always be room for conflict, even if it is merely in the academic.

perhaps i should make an account instead of lurking so much



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 07:06 PM
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I understand what you are saying manganesejolt. I do try to spread the word with people who seem open-minded and interested in all of the deception that is going on. However some people are really quiet content in just being completely ignorant. Also one thing I recently encountered was a guy at work who got highly angry and mistook my dicussion of government corruption as a attack on America and I clarified that I loved the country but hated what was going on. I now know to keep the subjects to a very superficial level with this guy. This is a guy that I have worked with for years and he went off on me. He later apoligized and admitted his ignorance of 911 and the NWO etc, however I really feel I have to watch what I talk about. I experienced the same with my girlfriend until she realised that what I was talking about seemed to be true from a biblical prophecy point-of-view.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 07:47 PM
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This is a self centered thread, but I am glad to see so many taking issues with it. We all must look out for ourselves and ours, but at a point we become privileged, we should look at ways to help our fellow man and those less fortunate. I am self employed, I create my income with my hands and capitalism is ecentual to my profession, socialism would ruin it. But that does not mean I don't want a strong social net, and that I want others to be put out of their homes, too many will suffer, too much pain will come into so many lives.

My wife has not talked to me all weekend, my business is in the gutter and money is super tight so she feels like I am a failure. I'm 58 years old and done one thing in my entire life and it has been good to us, put two kids through school, and this economy is not of my making. So, does that make me a leach, not worthy since I made the wrong decision in college as to what I wanted to be. Do you have an idea on how many careers that have paid well and provided income for people that now do not? There is no black and white, right or wrong here, there is just destiny and circumstances.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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Did not really read your "thread" but the title.

All i have to say is, We have an obligation to ourselves, to help others, not to THEM. If the help be in form of rocking them, pinching them, or str8 up slapping them in the head with some "A.T.S FACTS" ..so be it. The purpose of all great men and not so great men alike, was to educate ..how ever possible. when we are on the other side of tomorow, and the happning has happend ..let us be able to say we have said more than " I told you so".



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by virgthevoice

Originally posted by insignificanthuman
I awoke about 6 months ago and have come to realize just how inferior most people are. I'll tell them about GMO foods, sodium flouride being the main ingredient in rat poison, suggest cancer rates having a connection with all this - ill bring up the softkill (won't say that word though) just to see if this sparks any interest. If they show no interest in this theres no point in bringing up any "conspiracies". The vast majority are so DETERMINELY ASLEEP and it does not matter if you can easily prove everything said. "Okay..." "Well thats just your opinion." "Your crazy."
These sheeple are the problem. Many good men who have the ability to just ask questions WILL DIE BECAUSE OF SHEEPLE. .......................

I will also take comfort knowing women will be slaughtered much easier when the time comes. Why? What are the vast majority of todays modern womens reaction when they hear about a criminal divorce? What I see are heartless #s giggling and lighting up with glee, just like a serial killer incapable of feeling empathy. Women are much more suggestable and succeptable to trends, and the 60's brought a lack of strong moral men to tell women what's right and wrong. Theres a saying at first seem crass, but "you can't blame a woman for what she does wrong in the same way you can't blame a dog for what it does wrong". Think about it, in the 50's stealing everything a mans worked for his whole life because he was maybe working too much to fund everything, or cause the wife decided to stop having sex and then for some reason got bored, this was actually frowned upon as the classless heartless act it is. Ever wonder why there are no decent female composers, or why society feels women are too stupid and immature to be held accountable for thier actions, or why in the name of equality women must be given a leg up and handouts to compete against men in any setting? Victums of divorce are 4 times more likely to commit scuicide than rape victums, and men aware of this are not going to jump in front of enemy bullets to save a piece of #. Women are too stupid to realize feminism was brought to destroy mens love of country and love of women and many classless #s will have no one to protect them when the time comes.


is this what being "awake" means to you? this is a repulsive, hateful, evil point of view. your eyes are closed to the evil in your own heart, you exist in a darkness of thought and feeling, and when it comes to the truth of who women are or what they're capable of, you are truly asleep.

certainly there are shallow thoughtless women, JUST as there are shallow thoughtless men.

calling people "sheeple" shows such a lack of empathy and imagination; it's just the sort of bandwagon jumping elitist soapbox platform chest pounding that I found so offensive on youtube that I stopped going there.

there's a lot of talking on here about the "elite" - but what is more elitist than saying, "I'm awake, I'm better than you, and I'm not going to try and help you anymore because YOU'RE a SHEEPLE and not worth it"???

totally disheartening to read posts like this. it's like standing in front of someone spewing vomit, and it splatters on you and leaves behind its stench.


I couldn't have said it any better. Nothing to me is more offensive than hearing how much better than one person is than another. It's that mind set that creates the problems we have world wide. I am better than you so you just go and live your meaningless life. you would thank me for being me if only you were awake enough to understand it.

It's been my personal opinion those that beat their chest like some wanna be alpha ape are the ones that truly suffer from what they accuse those less worthy then them of. I only hope one day those suffering from this affliction truly wake up one day and see the folly of their ways



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 08:51 PM
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k first you tell us that the masses are indifferent and we shouldnt care for them
, then you tell us to step back and "allow what needs to happen to happen".


You want us to be INDIFFERENT to what will happen.

wow you are so persuasive...



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 09:23 PM
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Wow Barbara Bush is posting on ATS...cool! Welcome skull & bonesman!
The Superdome is pretty nice for these folks and they have some gruel it's probably better than where they came from! Good for them!



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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I think you owe me an apology, or at the very least an edit.


First off I am truly sorry!

That reply was meant for the OP. When I posted that reply I did so by hitting the reply button to the Original Post.

I have no earthly idea why it is showing as a reply to something you posted.

That entire statement is aimed at the OP noone but the OP and was written in response to the OP's original statement.

Second off I am truly sorry!

I had read the entire thread before posting that reply and had taken the time ro star yours and a number of other peoples replies.

This gremlin in my/ATS computers or perhaps even mirage that caused me to think I was hitting the reply button to the OP's thread was no way, shape or form meant as a response to you or anything you had placed in your posts.

It perturbs me that the OP is not aware evidently that reply was meant exclusively for him.

Third off I am truly sorry!



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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May he who soars so high suffer the same fate as ickerus,not to metion a healthy dose of hubris.If you think you are awakened you are sadly mistaken



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by manganesejolt
...a retired professor in the history department...said "People who are Awake owe no more to those who slumber than the quick owe to the dead".

Some people spend so much time worrying about the "rights" of those who are too lazy or dull witted to catch on that they wind up making themselves miserable. Those of us who have wings were meant to soar, not to crawl along the ground with the rest of the cattle. ...


The only problem with thinking like this is that the elite ALSO think like this. There's a fine line between "don't go crazy trying to wake people up", and "they don't DESERVE to be woken up".



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 11:52 PM
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Manganesejolt,

You are wise and I do appreciate your thaught.

You are right. Fully right I can't agree more with you, your comment is enlightning.

We are hurting ourself trying to convience or simply care for people who don't. We are loosing time, we are loosing energy that would be best spent elsewhere.

I'm happy to see that Yale don't makes dumb people : )))))
And since skeptics and others complain about the kind of people being on conspiracy sites; It is cool, too see some high educated people could be found on ATS : ))))

Good luck to you all.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by manganesejolt
Let's just come out and admit that right now, and it will make all our lives much simpler.

When I was at Yale, I was part of a number of little groups, and one group was mentored by this old man (a retired professor in the history department) whose views really opened my eyes. He said "People who are Awake owe no more to those who slumber than the quick owe to the dead".

Some people spend so much time worrying about the "rights" of those who are too lazy or dull witted to catch on that they wind up making themselves miserable. Those of us who have wings were meant to soar, not to crawl along the ground with the rest of the cattle.

Many of the "conspiracies" painted in such sinister colors (the NWO, etc) will really be blessings for those of us who think and feel in full vibrant color and what becomes of those who see grey and eat gruel is of no consequence to us. All will be treated humanely so long as they cooperate, but those of us who have talent and insight will be rewarded. I tell you the truth.

It's like the so called "economic crisis". Those of us with any kind of foresight have been making the right kinds of investments (dumping real estate, buying precious metals) for some time now. If the hordes need to be brought to their knees for their own good, it's none of our affair. Similarly the use of religious and social issues to render more malleable the teeming masses is no vice, in the end it's for their own good.

I just want those of us who are Awake to feel no shame in it, to luxuriate in the radiance of full consciousness and to have faith that all works for the best of those who deserve it.

Take it from the longhaired libertarian.

Rock 'n roll.


Or perhaps we won't take it from a longhaired libertarian...

This is the same attitude that the Illuminati takes towards us. And it's a utterly disgusting mentality that only perpetuates a vicious circle of selfishness.

I know that the sheep would rather turn us in than listen to us if push comes to shove but I don't feel that we ultimately lose if we were to try anyway.

More and more I believe that we are all in this together (even the bad apples are in the same bucket as the good ones). Looking out for number one will isolate number one in the end.

I've seen some of the internet gurus who have posted similar videos about how the sheep will only burn you if given the chance. I understand the detractors mentality and a part of me appreciates their logic. But my heart is wiser than my mind and it tells my brain to shut up and go do a algebra problem while I lead the soul on the correct course once the proper amount of contemplation time has set in.

I do talk to the sheep when their attention spans permit which believe me is usually no longer than a 2 minute sound bite but it's about all we have to work with at this particular time. Not so long ago you wouldn't have even been given that amount of attention. I think that everyone senses that something is very wrong. It's just that not everyone chooses to face it in the same manner that we do is all. In fact sometimes they actually surprise you with what they've been silently doing on their own. This happens too you know. And sometimes they even help you out in return with suggestions you hadn't even considered. That's part of the symbiotic process I theorize. Part of being in the human family.

Finally I pose this question to you. Was it not another human who helped open your eyes to waken you from your slumber? If this or these other humans had chosen the self preservation route instead wouldn't we all still be in the dark right now? I'm not so egotistical as to believe that I on my own would have pulled myself out of my sleeping state if it were not for other compassionate humans who did indeed feel obligated to help those who were asleep!

To the poster of this thread I must respectfully disagree.

[edit on 2-3-2009 by 3DPrisoner]



posted on Mar, 2 2009 @ 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by DrumJunkie
It's been my personal opinion those that beat their chest like some wanna be alpha ape are the ones that truly suffer from what they accuse those less worthy then them of. I only hope one day those suffering from this affliction truly wake up one day and see the folly of their ways


I was just thinking that someone has their feelings hurt because they just got divorced. From this reaction, I would guess that someone has an anger issue, and he wasnt divorced because of feminism, but because of the way he talks to and about people when he is pissed off about something.

I was wondering if that post qualifies as "hate speech" on ATS.
I would guess it would, but I am loathe to push the button when someone already has two warns.

[edit on 2-3-2009 by Illusionsaregrander]



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