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Civil unrest - it's on the way, but bigger!

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posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 07:05 AM
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Apologies if this has been discussed but I found this very interesting to hear.

My wife moves in some circles that in-turn move in higher-circles in the UK. She was telling me (and she is no conspiracy type person) that one of her colleagues was at a dinner party in London (Judges, Lords etc.) where they discussed the fact that civil unrest on large scales in inevitable, and will happen soon.

They also talked about the fact the massive quantities of grain have been shipped from the UK to china and far more to the USA. According to them (and I am unsure how true this is) like never seen before (and rare to ship so much to the USA). They state the USA is in 'deep trouble' with food shortages.

This in turn is pushing up grain prices world-wide, which will shortly 'tip the seesaw', producing unrest (and they think violent).

As I say, others may have more info on this but I certainly found it fascinating that people of this type 'professionals per-se' are talking in this way.

Time will tell.




posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 07:34 AM
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Of course it's inevitable.

Democracy is, was, and always will be untenable. Hamilton and Adams understood this two centuries ago. They assumed the great crisis would come sooner rather than later, but ever since Jefferson launched us on the disastrous damned course of "democracy" in 1800 (Washington and Adams were both pseudo-Royalists) the breakdown of society has been inevitable.

The New Deal was the greatest setback for the United States. FDR should have let the whole mess go under and allowed the empire to come to surface, but instead he tried to force the toothpaste back in the tube and ever since then people who deserve better (those of us from good families with good backgrounds who are the natural aristocrats) have had to endure a little longer wait.

But in the next 18 months or so the whole facade will be ripped apart and the fertile will be separated from the barren and things will be put where they belong. For those of us who are awake, this is good news indeed.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 07:43 AM
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Yes It is inevitable. I have been saying for the last few months that violent revolts shall happen when the sheeple wake up to the face the news that things are not okay. This is not a recession but a full blow depression and it is world wide.

We have threads here on ATS about the protests in other countries over this already and a few have become very violent. I believe one had the death of 40 persons attached to it.

Only a matter of time before it happens in the UK, US and other strong world countries. Large protests are planned in the US during March 13th to 16th, we shall see how many meet violent resistance from the police and other fascist law pouting institutions.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by Tentickles
Yes It is inevitable. I have been saying for the last few months that violent revolts shall happen when the sheeple wake up to the face the news that things are not okay. This is not a recession but a full blow depression and it is world wide.

We have threads here on ATS about the protests in other countries over this already and a few have become very violent. I believe one had the death of 40 persons attached to it.

Only a matter of time before it happens in the UK, US and other strong world countries. Large protests are planned in the US during March 13th to 16th, we shall see how many meet violent resistance from the police and other fascist law pouting institutions.


The "protests" and "insurrections" are going to be inevitable, of course.

What are a handful of histrionic harlequins going to do when real force is brought to bear against them? In the end, they will only serve as cautionary tales and ultimately their pouting and stone throwing will be spun into a narrative demonstrating the wisdom of submission and futility of childish resistance.

Even the "rebellion", you see, is choreographed (have you ever noticed that its "leaders" come from many of the same families and bloodlines as the natural aristocracy) and under control. Nothing will be left to chance and everything will succeed as planned.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 08:04 AM
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for what it's worth, I cruised along the Port of Seattle last week and there were 5 vessels docked. 2 empty barges, a wierd ship with iron framing on main deck, a cruise ship (party boat), and a tug.

I saw no freight or containers onboard any. I also read a beattle or some bug was found on a vessel prior and was not allowed to dock and unload until a fumigation certificate verifying extermination of the foreign bug or such was produced, and thus turned away.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 08:21 AM
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Yes, agreed many of us on here have known it is inevitable, but it's starting to hit home when you hear people who would not normally mention this type of type of thing.

Also, I find the fact we are shipping large quantities of grain (and I am talking large quantities) to the USA. To me, that means the USA is in trouble than I first thought.

I can't seem to find any records of these shipments, or indeed if we normally ship (smaller) grain to the USA...



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 08:24 AM
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Sorry, but when has UK ever shipped grain to the US?

We supply a most of the grain for the world. We have not had a bad growing year.
The only thing that might be short this year, maybe, are the fruits and nuts out of CA.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 08:27 AM
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Yes it will happen, they are going to come to the conclusion that Man cant be trusted...and will have to live to an expectation of someone who thinks "We should live Life Their Way"



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by manganesejolt
Of course it's inevitable.

Democracy is, was, and always will be untenable. Hamilton and Adams understood this two centuries ago. They assumed the great crisis would come sooner rather than later, but ever since Jefferson launched us on the disastrous damned course of "democracy" in 1800 (Washington and Adams were both pseudo-Royalists) the breakdown of society has been inevitable.

The New Deal was the greatest setback for the United States. FDR should have let the whole mess go under and allowed the empire to come to surface, but instead he tried to force the toothpaste back in the tube and ever since then people who deserve better (those of us from good families with good backgrounds who are the natural aristocrats) have had to endure a little longer wait.

But in the next 18 months or so the whole facade will be ripped apart and the fertile will be separated from the barren and things will be put where they belong. For those of us who are awake, this is good news indeed.



This is about FASCISM not democracy. True proportional grass roots democracy is witnessed on this planet as the advanced civilized system there is. In doubt? Look at Norway, Sweden and Finland. These people are already almost ascended!!!!

What you should be saying is, people allowing themselves to be ruled by a renegade bloodline and depolated at their whims has never worked for them in the past, and must be stopped by the masses, overturned by the masses, with better, more grass roots, proportional democracies emerging everywhere, so women and the female energy begins to equalize things for everyone on this planet.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 08:54 AM
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I have a hard time believing this, since the US is the world's largest EXPORTER of grain and currently has more grain stockpiled than the entire European Union.

Grain prices have almost doubled since 2003, but they've been steadily falling since last year. I don't see some spike that would represent a shortage.

The closest I can find is this:

www.pigprogress.net...

www.allaboutfeed.net...

...where they talk about how expensive corn is and how cheap international shipping is now, so that it's cheaper for hog producers to import their wheat from the UK and Brazil. But again, this doesn't imply a food shortage.

You can find some import/export numbers here:

www.ers.usda.gov...

Now as for China, they're having a terrible drought and their grain crops are failing.

www.allaboutfeed.net...

And I read that if China is forced to import even 5% of it's grain needs, it would decimate the world's grain trade.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 09:01 AM
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i think the powers that be are counting on civil unrest. there is no way they can call for marshal law if everybody is just walking around like a good little slave. they will shake things up and then lock people up or worse. we are either screwed or really screwed.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by mystiq

Originally posted by manganesejolt
Of course it's inevitable.

Democracy is, was, and always will be untenable. Hamilton and Adams understood this two centuries ago. They assumed the great crisis would come sooner rather than later, but ever since Jefferson launched us on the disastrous damned course of "democracy" in 1800 (Washington and Adams were both pseudo-Royalists) the breakdown of society has been inevitable.

The New Deal was the greatest setback for the United States. FDR should have let the whole mess go under and allowed the empire to come to surface, but instead he tried to force the toothpaste back in the tube and ever since then people who deserve better (those of us from good families with good backgrounds who are the natural aristocrats) have had to endure a little longer wait.

But in the next 18 months or so the whole facade will be ripped apart and the fertile will be separated from the barren and things will be put where they belong. For those of us who are awake, this is good news indeed.



This is about FASCISM not democracy. True proportional grass roots democracy is witnessed on this planet as the advanced civilized system there is. In doubt? Look at Norway, Sweden and Finland. These people are already almost ascended!!!!

What you should be saying is, people allowing themselves to be ruled by a renegade bloodline and depolated at their whims has never worked for them in the past, and must be stopped by the masses, overturned by the masses, with better, more grass roots, proportional democracies emerging everywhere, so women and the female energy begins to equalize things for everyone on this planet.


My but you're feisty!

I've respect for the Nordic bloodlines and certainly believe that the world could use a little more female energy. The World will not really come together until Lilith is called back from the Sitra Akhra and Jehova and Adam make their apologies to Her.

But as to the dangers of democracy....well I am reminded of the words of Hamilton (baseborn bastard son of a scotch peddler but still a natural aristocrat) when he struck the table and proclaimed "Your people, your people is a great BEAST".



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 10:25 AM
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reply to post by AlwaysQuestion


Sorry, but when has UK ever shipped grain to the US?

We supply a most of the grain for the world. We have not had a bad growing year.
The only thing that might be short this year, maybe, are the fruits and nuts out of CA.


That's precisely it! I am unsure of this EVER happening and yet we have shipped two VAST amounts to the USA. That's why I am saying I believe the USA is in more trouble than I first anticipated.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by Jadette
I have a hard time believing this, since the US is the world's largest EXPORTER of grain and currently has more grain stockpiled than the entire European Union.

Grain prices have almost doubled since 2003, but they've been steadily falling since last year. I don't see some spike that would represent a shortage.

The closest I can find is this:

www.pigprogress.net...

www.allaboutfeed.net...

...where they talk about how expensive corn is and how cheap international shipping is now, so that it's cheaper for hog producers to import their wheat from the UK and Brazil. But again, this doesn't imply a food shortage.

You can find some import/export numbers here:

www.ers.usda.gov...

Now as for China, they're having a terrible drought and their grain crops are failing.

www.allaboutfeed.net...

And I read that if China is forced to import even 5% of it's grain needs, it would decimate the world's grain trade.





Again, exactly, you are the largest exporter - or possibly 'were'? That's why it's interesting we're shipping to you.....

All I know is this particular person sits on the board that arranged this shipment. Can I prove it - no. Can I say his name - I don't think I should because I am unsure if this is public knowledge or not. However, 3 huge shipments left the UK; 1 to China and 2 to the USA because it was needed.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by AlwaysQuestion

Again, exactly, you are the largest exporter - or possibly 'were'? That's why it's interesting we're shipping to you.....

All I know is this particular person sits on the board that arranged this shipment. Can I prove it - no. Can I say his name - I don't think I should because I am unsure if this is public knowledge or not. However, 3 huge shipments left the UK; 1 to China and 2 to the USA because it was needed.



Well according to the article I linked:


US hog producers are to import wheat from Britain and Brazil due to the high cost of US corn and feed grain, said Don Butler, spokesman for Murphy-Brown, the hog-raising unit of Smithfield Foods.

The United States is the world's largest wheat exporter and it is rarely economical to import feed grain. However, a dramatic drop in ocean freight has made foreign wheat more economical than US supplies, Butler said.

The first two vessels will arrive in Wilmington, North Carolina, in the first week of December. The other shipments will arrive in January and February. Two cargoes will be from Britain and one cargo from Brazil, which imported US wheat earlier this year when supplies were not available from neighbouring Argentina.

Wheat cargoes are normally 25,000 to 55,000 tonnes, depending on the size of the vessel but the amount of wheat in each cargo was not specified. "The shipment of wheat will offer us an alternative to very expensive corn," Butler said. "I can't get into specifics but it's not an insignificant volume."


So basicly, there's no food storage, just that its cheaper for them to buy it from Britain than locally. So that could explain the two shipments you mention. Which are very large, so would be noteworthy.

And as for China, if all their grain suffered a 40 some percent loss due to drought, I'd imagine that they might be importing grain too.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by j2000
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Sorry, but when has UK ever shipped grain to the US?

We supply a most of the grain for the world. We have not had a bad growing year.
The only thing that might be short this year, maybe, are the fruits and nuts out of CA.


Don't worry, you can find all the fruits, nuts, and assorted flakes in Washington D.C. that you could ever desire. There is no shortage!



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by manganesejolt
FDR should have let the whole mess go under and allowed the empire to come to surface, but instead he tried to force the toothpaste back in the tube and ever since then people who deserve better (those of us from good families with good backgrounds who are the natural aristocrats) have had to endure a little longer wait.

But in the next 18 months or so the whole facade will be ripped apart and the fertile will be separated from the barren and things will be put where they belong. For those of us who are awake, this is good news indeed.


Do you care to elaborate on what you mean those us from good families and good backgrounds? I am simply curious.

Secondly, I am not disagreeing but I am curious as to how you view this as a good thing...



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 03:17 AM
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Indeed I was thinking they more resembled parasites living off of everyone else such as you and I rather than a fruit or nut.

Or maybe soulless piles of steamy feces might be a better description?



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by j2000
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The only thing that might be short this year, maybe, are the fruits and nuts out of CA.

No, with the current count in the House and Senate I assure you
there is no shortage of fruits and nuts anywhere in the US.

Not that I am a fan of Republicraps either.



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