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Originally posted by whaaa
reply to post by jerico65
lol, your Dr. friend isn't Rich!! Well off perhaps. You don't even know what Rich is......
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by xstealth
Let's do keep this thread on topic.
Because I don't have a party. But I have seen how Reaganomics have changed this country for the worst.
And I believe that this country requires very radical changes every so often, and now is that time.
What makes you think that Gov can't create Jobs? You are right though, we have seen what Big Gov in the _wrong hands_ can do. It can limit the right to marry who you want, it can limit the right to live under the state laws you voted on because the fed gov doesn't care.
Originally posted by West Coast
Im curious as to if you saw what we had before "Reaganomics?" Obama is aching to be a Carter... Over 20 million jobs were created under Reagans 8 years in office, and he inherited an economy that was arguably in worse shape than the one Obama inherits today.
There hasn't been a radical change in this country since the 1800's.
And bigger government is not a positive change in the right direction.
What G.W. Bush did to personal rights and freedoms, Obama is doing economically.
The sad thing is, people like you, and whaaa, are going to have to learn things the hard way.
This is an oxymoron... As if there is such thing as "Big Gov in the right hands."
Originally posted by xstealth
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
This seems like something you either like or you don't.
All I can say is that this is indeed the type of change I voted for.
[edit on 28-2-2009 by HunkaHunka]
Really? Wow, I've read so many of your posts and each one makes my head spin. I think you've drank too much tap water or had a government education.
Do you realize that the 'rich' employ over 75% of the work force? Don't you think that imposing higher taxes common peoples employers will just lead to more job loss?
I know it will, even the filthy dirty lowlife rich are hurting financially right now. The ones I know aren't living the high life they used to. The economic problems we have right now stem up and down. The lack of purchasing and business effects the people at the top. And when you tax the hell out of them, it will effect the bottom.
This is exactly the change we need to eclipse the great depression.
I am not a Republican, so don't point a finger at me and say, "well your a republican, so of course you disagree with everything Obaaammaaa does."
Carter was doing the best he could with what he had.
Originally posted by The Nighthawk
Sure there is. It hauled us out of the Depression,
won WWII and set us on a prosperous course.
Had the Mega-Rich and the military/industrial complex not intervened for their own enrichment at the expense of the Commons, this discussion wouldn't even be taking place--you'd truly have the economic and personal freedom to do as you please, as long as you aren't hurting someone else.
Maybe you like being in "survival mode" all the time.
Maybe it's some weird fantasy thing.
Maybe a kinder, gentler society, with low unemployment, good wages, easy access for all to health care and other vital services, etc. frightens the Hell out of you.
Maybe you should ask yourself why.
Originally posted by hypervigilant
I can't believe that people want to continue down the path that the Republican Party has laid out for our future.
Several other controversies also occurred in the Reagan administration; one involved Department of Housing and Urban Development secretary Samuel Pierce and his associates. Wealthy contributors to the administration's campaign were rewarded with funding for low income housing development without the customary background checks, and lobbyists, such as former Secretary of the Interior James G. Watt, were rewarded with huge lobbying fees for assisting campaign contributors with receiving government loans and guarantees. Sixteen convictions were eventually handed down, including several members of the Reagan administration.
Originally posted by Fox News
Carter should have stuck to peanut farming. He was in over his head...
I laughed at this part. Man, you can have your opinion, but you just made an ass out of yourself with it.
It now is commonly known that government intervention actually prolonged the Great Depression.
WW2 really helped America end the GD, their aint anything quite like a war time economy...
Yea, I guess we could be speaking Russian...living the easy life. And so long as we didnt speak our minds, or say anything negative about the big gov, everything would be peachy...Seriously, pull your head out of your ass...
By survival mode, do you mean having motivation to succeed, and by doing so, I will guarantee myself a comfortable life, one that I can look back on with great pride of my successes, knowing all that I have accomplished made me that very person? Whats wrong with this?
Are you afraid to "survive." Are you that inept?
I would call it false Utopian standards.
Sky rocketing debt, that my children, and their own children are expected to pay, scares the hell out of me...
Class envy warfare scares the hell out of me.
Turning America into a big giant failed socialist monarch, scares the hell out of me.
Big Gov scares the hell out of me.
Americas founding fathers must be turning over in their graves of what America has become, and what America will become!
Because as history has shown IT DOESNT WORK!!!
It isnt working for Europe,
it didn't work well for Nazi Germany, or Soviet Russia,
it isnt working for Peoples Republic of China or North Korea, etc...etc...etc...
Hell look at Cali, $43 billion in the hole,
Higher taxes and extended government oversight are set to extinguish Silicon Valley.
Who controls Cali, and has for a while? the DEMOCRATS!!!
America will no longer be a leader, but rather a follower, Asia is set to take Americas place.
Originally posted by jjkenobi
All I have to say is you can only tax the rich *so* much, geebus. The top 2% of income earners pay over 20% of all income tax.
If I was that freaking rich I would move all my cash and assets to another country and not lose half my yearly income.
True to some degree, in that he honestly expected the Government he was the Executive of to follow his policies and not stab him in the back at the behest of the Mega-Rich.
First, I'll try to ignore your blatant personal attack in violation of the T&C.
the UCLA study is debunked Here.
The other link is run by some guy in Florida with no credentials.
WWII was effectively a massive public works project. To some degree, it did put the nail in the Depression's coffin, but had FDR not gotten the ball rolling in the first place we could never have fought WWII because we'd have had practically no manufacturing capability to produce war materiel, nor would we have had the ready cash to pay for it.
Sweeping away Reaganomics has nothing to do with freedom of personal expression. Typical right-wing deflection: I'm talking basic economics, you're talking tired rhetoric about Soviet-style communism. Stay on topic.
Nothing. And if you're perfectly comfortable in your current position, that's fine and dandy.
But most Americans are not so fortunate.
(or their bosses just want to keep that cash for themselves).
Nowhere that pays them the $40k+ salaries they used to earn. People who were the top performers at their companies a year ago are now hoping to get call center jobs just so they can hope to stay afloat.
THAT'S "Survival Mode". And the ranks of people in this situation is growing.
More personal attacks. Nice. Got anything else?
I would call it the standards set forth by our Founding Fathers. Read Thomas Jefferson and get back to me.
Then start by telling your Congressman to bring back the usury laws holding credit card interest to a maximum of 10%.
Then join us. It's the Mega-Rich who started this. They're the ones who declared war on the Middle Class. They're the ones who want to prevent real democracy from taking hold. They're the ones who want to put you and everyone else in this country in their place: under their hob-nailed jackboots.
It's been my experience that those who throw around the term "Socialist" have no idea what that actually means. I'm guessing you're the same.
What America "has" become is a direct result of Republicans doing the bidding of the ultra-rich at the expense of the Commons. What it WILL become is what it should be: a true Land of Opportunity, where people are treated equally and fairly and have real opportunities for personal success rather than having to spend every waking moment toiling away for their basic subsistence.
Most Europeans I know, along with thousands of American expatriates fed up with our "everything has a price" mentality, would disagree with you.
Both of which are extreme examples and have nothing whatsoever to do with reigning in irresponsible businesses and putting the balance of power back in the hands of the People where it belongs.
Because the Federal Government under Bush abdicated its responsibility to pay for infrastructure and other needs, and because taxes were frozen at 1970s levels--this prevented the collection of needed revenues.