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posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 02:51 PM
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reply to post by FiatLux
 

Thank you for the reply! I think I stand corrected!
I must be living in the false reality this is still our country!
You are correct about the fed reserve also!
They DIRECTLY influence and regulate our monetary policy.
Paulson said the only way out is to INCUR even more debt! WTF?
Thats what got us into this in the first place!!! Hello!
I should of said, it is our wealth and soveregnity that is being stolen.

Read the bankers manifesto everyone if you haven't.
Thanks for setting me straight. I am gullible sometimes
and still believe in the dream we use to have. IMHO




posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Obama Lied, Our Economy Died



No more wasteful spending! The irresponsible behavior of our government MUST STOP now!



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:00 PM
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this is history repeating itself, we need to be careful because this is what the elites expect to happen. its seems to be one step closer to martial law.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
this is history repeating itself, we need to be careful because this is what the elites expect to happen. its seems to be one step closer to martial law.


Martial Law? Bring it on.

They don't want 300 million pissed off and armed coming after them.

They can still only get by with so much. If we let it go another couple of years, then it might be too late. This stuff has to happen before we start getting into soup lines...



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by Raud
Notcied the fourth (?) picture in the OP:
"You can't put lipstick on socialism"


What has the "stimulus-bill" or "bail-out" have to do with socialism? Isn't this a capitalist phenomenon?

What is the socialistic aspect that I seem to miss?
I am asking real serious here, I would like to know.

[edit=typo]

[edit on 28-2-2009 by Raud]


Really?

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equal opportunities for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation.[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late 19th-century intellectual and working class political movement that criticized the effects of industrialization and private ownership on society. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution, and would represent a transitional stage between capitalism and communism.[3][4]

The first socialists were termed utopian socialists by later socialist thinkers, and include Robert Owen, who tried to found socialist factories and other structures within a capitalist society and Henri de Saint Simon, the first individual to coin to term "socialism" and the originator of technocracy and industrial planning. The first socialists predicted a world improved by harnessing technology and combining it with better social organization, and many contemporary socialists share this belief.[5][6] Early socialist thinkers tended to favor more authentic meritocracy, while many modern socialists have a more egalitarian approach. There is disagreement over the extent that National Socialism is socialist; although Adolf Hitler's party program included socialist elements, the Nazis did not nationalize industry, but instead created a highly regulated economy with state-led economic planning.[7]

Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, creates an unequal society, and does not provide equal opportunities for everyone in society. Therefore socialists advocate the creation of a society in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly based on the amount of work expended in production, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.

Socialism is not a concrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and program; its branches advocate a degree of social interventionism and economic rationalization, sometimes opposing each other. Another dividing feature of the socialist movement is the split between reformists and the revolutionaries on how a socialist economy should be established. Some socialists advocate complete nationalization of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; others advocate state control of capital within the framework of a market economy. Socialists inspired by the Soviet model of economic development have advocated the creation of centrally planned economies directed by a state that owns all the means of production. Others, including Yugoslavian, Hungarian, Polish and Chinese Communists in the 1970s and 1980s, instituted various forms of market socialism, combining co-operative and state ownership models with the free market exchange and free price system (but not prices for the means of production).[8] Social democrats propose selective nationalization of key national industries in mixed economies and tax-funded welfare programs and the regulation of markets. Libertarian socialism (including social anarchism and libertarian Marxism) rejects state control and ownership of the economy altogether and advocates direct collective ownership of the means of production via co-operative workers' councils and workplace democracy.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:13 PM
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I hope you are right and more people wake up!
I wrote this earlier and still feel this way.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I considered myself a gun toting left winger. Frankly I'm embarrassed
by what they have done lately.
I knew this crisis was bigger than what they ever thought it would be.
(and I don't even have an economics degree)

They are arrogant and think they can always fix it with money.
I no longer feel that way and am an independant Americant!
I CAN'T believe this is happening to this great(use to be)country!
Gradually more are realizing it doesn't matter which side
you are on, we are being hung out to dry by them both.
At least obama is doing what he can, which is not the right
path to take us down either, actually. He is just doing what
they all would try to do. Redistribute more wealth to the very
ones who need it the least. Makes no difference anyway,
the country was bought and sold and paid for a long time ago!
One thing I can add though, my paycheck is taxed less now.
That is way more than bush ever did for my monetary reserve fund!
Except give it all out to war contracts. Sorry for my nastiness.
Thank you for your posts and patience.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by j2000

Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
this is history repeating itself, we need to be careful because this is what the elites expect to happen. its seems to be one step closer to martial law.


Martial Law? Bring it on.

They don't want 300 million pissed off and armed coming after them.

They can still only get by with so much. If we let it go another couple of years, then it might be too late. This stuff has to happen before we start getting into soup lines...

i know but the elites are ultimately preparing for WW3, theyre gearing up the peoples rage ready for a world war, look back to the 1930's and 40's and see how the entire world were angered by the state of the economy and this was shortly followed by WW2.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:24 PM
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When a Constitutional, Budgetary, or simple "is this right or wrong" question is raised, the first thing we should all do is consider the argument, not who raised the argument. Switching the focus to the who, not the what, is the definition of "spin"...it is a dishonest argument that allows the "spinner" to switch the debate such that the original question is never addressed.

Like other instances where little lies turn into big problems, engaging in "spinning" and other forms of "blame the messenger" just makes the day of reckoning that much more painful.

If we all stopped spinning an issue into a partisan argument, we might all, regardless of political ideology, come together to find a real workable answer or solution.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by David9176
I remember reading about this and actually seen it reported on the news. I'm glad this is happening...in reality..it's not much...but it's still a start.

It just has to be kept up.

If something like this shows up by me and I don't have to miss work for it (i can't miss work...just can't..baby on the way)...I'll be there along with the rest.

We definitely need more of this!


But I thought you cared so much about it that you were going to attend/protest David?!


Your not telling me you sat on your ass all day and watched/supported from the arm-chair?

[edit on 28-2-2009 by InterWeb]



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 04:27 PM
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None of us on the Right, Left or Middle need much more to convince us we are being had. All we need to do is look inward.

The rich like Obama who never did a days real labor for what they have, want everyone but them poor and dependent. The middle class threatens them and their power. Once you reach the point you have enough to have a voice or hire an Attorney to defend your rights, you are a threat. So what is the answer? Put you in debt trying to survive and then hit you with a veiled tax that the masses are naive about.

I'm afraid that what is going on now will close the gate between the working poor and the middle class for a long time to come. The two class system desired by the Elite have won this battle, but lets hope they don't win the war.

Everyone needs to pull out your calculators and add up what has been spent in the last few weeks before you willy nilly blame it all on the past. Before this year is over, more will have been spent than in the last 20 years I think. Your Great, Great Grandchildren will still be paying for this 50 years from now. Wait until we see what it is going to be like when all the Baby Boomers retire.


To the young, I'm truly sorry but you will likely not be able to start your business as I did and so many others have. The American Dream has been replaced with the horror that is the Far Lefts idea of Utopia and they want you barefoot and powerless to fight back. It will take an entire generation to overcome the damage that has been done in the last few weeks.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 04:41 PM
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Awsome link to the Youtube video.

Now I'm not a fan of President George Walker Bush however he had 3 branches of our elected government to help him with the fiasco we are in now.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 04:55 PM
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FACT remains. Millions protested ALLOWING ILLEGAL immigrants to stay in america, raping our soveriegnty, than will protest these bailouts.

America has already declared their stance, and we will get exactly what we deserve. The people are to blame.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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I believe we are in for the ride of our lives when it comes to this money scam. Yes, this is a scam set up by those who have most of the money, and it`s not a Dem., or a Rep. thing. It`s a rich person thing, and they want all of it, and they could care less if you or I have a nickel between us, they would even want that also. In fact, if they could have their own way, we would work for free and we would give them our pay each week for a little food to live on. It makes me sick to see us at each others throats about this, putting the blame on each others political parties when in fact, they both are to blame for keeping the Fed in power all these years and letting the Fed drive us to early graves just to keep the money rolling into their corrupt money system through taxes and high interest rates.

I say stop looking in the box, and look outside the box for once, and see where the blame really goes..................., to the Federal Reserve. It doesn`t matter who is in office at the time, as long as they allow the Fed to stay in power, we will always go through these hard times.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 06:53 PM
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just get teh stuff you need! start a garden and get solar panels to help reduce cost


www.earth4energy.com

and theres great books by the shakers on how to do kick ass home gardens.


get them! grow food! jeeze!



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 07:12 PM
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Thank you for the tip! You are way too late however.
Got the panels and windmills, the garden, the heirloom seeds,
the chicken coop, the goat pen, the root cellar, the rain barrels,
the wood and kerosene stoves, the generator, the corral, the
fuel storage, the pressure cooker, the dehydrator, the years
supply of food. Did I leave anything out?
Funny thing is I still dont feel all that safe.
Oh ya that reminds me, I got ammo!
This year I will be working on the barn, the corral, building a
greenhouse, digging a pond and expanding garden beds, etc, etc.
Wish you all the best of luck preparing also!



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 07:19 PM
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I know most of you have seen this, but, I post it again for others who are not enlightened...

The Bankers' Manifesto of 1892
circleof13.blogspot.com...

The courts must be called to our aid, debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible.

*A Florida Court's 'Rocket Docket' Blasts Through Foreclosure Cases*
online.wsj.com...

When, through the process of law, the common people have lost their homes,
they will be more tractable and easily governed through the influence of the strong arm
of the government applied to a central power of imperial wealth under the control of the leading financiers.

People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. History repeats itself in regular cycles. This truth is well known among our principal men who are engaged in forming an imperialism of the world. While they are doing this, the people must be kept in a state of political antagonism.

The question of tariff reform must be urged through the organization known as the Democratic Party, and the question of protection with the reciprocity must be forced to view through the Republican Party.

By thus dividing voters, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us, except as teachers to the common herd. Thus, by discrete actions, we can secure all that has been so generously planned and successfully accomplished.


The Creature from Jekyll Island
www.financialsense.com...

Now, when I say scam, let’s get down to nitty-gritties here, Jim. We’re talking about the fact that the banks create money out of nothing, and then they collect interest on it. Now that’s the basic scam. When a bank loans you money that money doesn’t exist prior to your walking into the bank. He has the authority of law – a moment ago, I said the Federal Reserve System went into partnership with the Federal government, so the government is their partner, and so the government has written laws to make this scam quite legal, that banks can do things now that were you and I to do them we’d go to jail. But the banks can do them because they have their partner in government that says, “Ok, the banks, and only the banks, can do this.” And one of those things is that the banks can lend money that they don’t have, and they can collect interest on it. And that’s how money comes into creation in the United States and most of the Western world.


So here’s how it goes. Let’s say the Federal government wants to borrow some money, more than it’s taking in in taxes. So the first thing it does is it goes to the open market, and it offers to borrow the money from individuals like you or me, or from institutions, corporations, other countries and so forth. Peope loan money to the Federal government in return for bonds or Treasury notes, or bills, depending on the length of time the loan has to be repaid. So now the government has more money than it takes in in taxes. Now, just like you and I, however, the time comes when that money has to be paid back, plus interest. Lo and behold, when that happens they still don’t have enough money to pay for what they want to do through taxes. So now, they have to go and borrow some more money to cover the original loan plus the interest that’s due. And this process goes on, over and over and over again, and we have this phenomenon called the rising national debt – it just goes on forever. There is no limit to what the politicians are seemingly able to borrow.


[edit on 2/28/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 07:22 PM
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Ah yes..they are finally waking up.
Slowly and surely...we will all awaken.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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Thank you for your reply. You had to go and say that!
You had me going along fine agreeing with you, thinking all
along we may have hope for our grandchildren after all,
and then you go and say this:


The American Dream has been replaced with the horror that is the Far Lefts idea of Utopia and they want you barefoot and powerless to fight back.

I didn't know that helping your fellow americans instead of big bankers
for a change was considered a "utopia". We're screwed anyway, at least we get a little money this time to prepare for it. The people wont stand for a crash anyway. If they tell the peeps its okay, they'll believe it!
The gubment thinks the only solution ever is to waste more money.
As it always has before. Whats new here? We we're already way in debt!
Once again picking sides is not the answer and will not only be irrelevant,
it will actually ruin any chances of everyone coming together anyway. If there ever was. Did you ever read the Bankers Manifest?
What do you think of it? The federal reserve owns this country.
What did I miss here?



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 07:28 PM
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Thank you, thank you! Just in time! I was just thinking
about you! Looks like we need a little edjumercatin' here.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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Well said ! Although, political idealogies should be blamed and I see little difference between the "big two" parties, where it counts, over the past several years.

Personally, I find it hard to believe anyone can be stupid enough to think shotgun effect spending is the way solve our current problems. I am leaning toward the intentional destruction of liberties.

But, I know my two cents is just as worthless as everyone else's these days!






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