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Congress commiting Treason again, this week, some more

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posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by j2000

Originally posted by mental modulator
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We do care...

We have been caring this whole time.



Care about what?


Really, I would like to know.


Do you care about our Constitution at all?

Do you think it's even important.

How long before you have to ask to say something?

Or to put your opion on here, because it might go agaist the majority.









Thomas Jefferson wrote “The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society.”

Just tyranny by any other name...


[edit on 27-2-2009 by imd12c4funn]




posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 09:08 PM
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Sorry David I forgot my place.

I guess earlier today, you and I admitted that we are in the club.

The neo con club.

I'll try hard to act like it.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 09:10 PM
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There ya go!

No Constitution, majority mob rule!

Or total slavery, under Obama the mighty one.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 09:17 PM
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American Governance
www.usavsus.info...

INTRODUCTION (The way it was supposed to be)

Philadelphia is the Capitol

The Articles of Confederation were agreed to by the united states in Congress assembled on November 15, 1777 and were ratified March 1, 1781. From the time of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776, to the time of the Articles of Confederation there was a space of time of sixteen months and eleven days. During this period of time, the several nations, states, countries were sovereign unto themselves as relates to foreign earthly powers.

There was an outstanding debt of 17 million silver Lira from french banks over 21 separate occasions all due on December 1, 1789.

Therefore, a bankruptcy Charter had to be drafted. On September 17, 1787, twelve State delegates approved the Constitution. The States have now become Constitutors.

"Constitutor: In the civil law, one who, by simple agreement, becomes responsible for the payment of another's debt."
--Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed.

The States were now liable for the debt owed to the King, but the people of America were not. The people are not a party to the Constitution because it was never put to them for a vote.

The judge in the Padleford case stated; "But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution, it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it. The States are the parties to it. And they may complain. If they do, they are entitled to redress. Or they may waive the right to complain."
--Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah. 14 Georgia 438, 520

"Articles" establish a sovereign nation of people, but all "Constitutions" are bankruptcy charters or compacts.

President Andrew Jackson paid the debt in the 1830's. In 1832, while discussing the Bank Renewal Bill to a delegation of bankers, he said, "You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out."

The Articles of Confederation
are still in operation.

"He [Patrick Henry] boycotted the Constitutional Convention of 1787 because, as he so eloquently put it, "I smell a rat " and suspected the worst: that the independent colonies that had thrived for over a century were to be herded under one consolidated government, a vast government apparatus founded not on liberty, but on the bureaucratic dreams of monarchists and mercantilists like Alexander Hamilton."
--Ryan McMaken, columnist for LewRockwell.com

...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government...
--Declaration of Independence


Samuel Adams said, 'When the people fear the government they have tyranny, when the government fears the people they have freedom.'

Many governments are established by good people having good intentions. But, certain men with bad intentions or another agenda get into government office by some means, lawful or otherwise, find loopholes, revise government and its laws to suit their needs and agenda, and build an empire within government itself. Through deceit and lies and through the absence of truth, gain power and control over the people, extracting the people's well earned money from the people's labor to finance and increase the empire to such an extent that it would seem difficult for people to rise up against it.


"Apathetic and dependant Americans today are unsuspectingly going into bondage unless America wakes up."
--Jack Slevkoff 2006

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INTRODUCTION (The way it is)

Certain members of Congress created the District of Columbia (DC) from portions of two states; Virginia (Virgin) and Maryland (Mary). Physically united together they are "Virgin Mary ," to form a more perfect union as
a new "United States".

US Titles and Codes,
in their awkward definitions,
call "DC" the "United States"

The new "United States" includes States such as District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, the Virgin Islands, and the Northern Mariana Islands. It does not include the 50 states united.
i.e. Title 26 Section 7701 Definitions (a) (9) and (10) 42 U.S.C. 405 (2)(c)(vii)

All Titles of the United States Code (USC) are strictly meant for the United States and none of the 50 states of the Union. Each of the 50 states have their own constitutions and laws. See Hepburn v. Ellzey, 2 Cranch, 445, 452, and John Barron v The Mayor and City of Baltimore 32 U.S. 243 (1833). These last two cases clearly state that the United States is not the 50 states of the Union.

All Rule comes from
"District of Columbia"
which is run by the Gnostic Priesthood of the undisclosed mystery Babylon.

"Masonic Rule"
Some of the Masonic symbolism is found in the layout of the District's streets, the Washington monument (Obelisk), the Pentagon, and on the back of the One Dollar Federal Reserve Note.

"The best place to hide something
is in full view"

"Columbia" is a name for "Goddess of Creation, War, and Destruction" more known as the goddess of death and pain. She is derived from the imagery of Semiramis, wife of Nimrod, and Queen of Babylon.

The statue on top of the Capitol building called the Statue of Freedom is actually Persephone, meaning “She who Destroys the Light”. She is the queen of the underworld. She is crowned with pentacles (pentagrams--stars with five points). When someone stands on something, it is usually an indication of ownership. Therefore, she owns the facility she stands upon. Although the dome on top of the Capitol building was not finished until 1868, the final installation of this statue on top of the dome took place on December 2, 1863. The original Capitol building, without the dome, was completed in 1826.

Columbia and Persephone are seen as other statues around Washington D.C. area.

Some of the Gnostic Priesthood include: Illuminati, Skull & Bones Society, Hospitaliers, Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, Knights of the Round Table, Oddfellows, Society of Jesus, Jesuit Priesthood, Club of Rome, Knights Templar, Freemasons, Scottish Rite Temple, York Rite Temple, Shriners, Inner Temple Bar, International Temple Bar Association, Barrister's Inn, Zionists, Jesuits, Jesuit Brotherhood, Milner group (a.k.a. Milner's Kindergarten, Round Table Group, Rhodes crowd, Rhodes Scholars, The Times crowd, All Souls goup, Cliveden set, The Society of the Elect, The Association of Helpers, Junta of Three, the Secret Society of Cecil Rhodes, Chatham House crowd, Commonwealth of Nations, Royal Institute of International Affairs), Tri-laterial Commision, Bilderberg group, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Magistrates, Bar Attorneys.

"Since 1873, the Global Elite Has Held Secret Meetings in the Ancient Redwood Forest of Northern California. Members of the so-called "Bohemian Club" Include Former Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan. The Bush Family Maintains a Strong Involvement. Each Year at Bohemian Grove, Members of This All-Male "Club" put on Red, Black and Silver Robes and Conduct an Occult Ritual Wherein They Worship a Giant Stone Owl, Sacrificing a Human Being in Effigy to What They Call the 'Great Owl of Bohemia.'"--Alex Jones; InfoWars.com

There is a small owl just to the left of the "1" which appears on the upper right hand corner of the One Dollar Bill.


[edit on 2/27/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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Senate bill 160, yea I remember that, watched it, posted it Here.

But there is one thing that was amended by Sen. Ensign and that was a repeal to some gun laws also.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 09:33 PM
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yeah that was good. They had to change it because there gun law was against the Constitution.

Our Govt. is a joke!



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 09:37 PM
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US continues to be in a permanent state of national emergency since March 9, 1933, and possibly as far back as the Civil War
--Senate report 93-549 (1973)

On April 15, 1861,
President Lincoln reconvened Congress under the Executive branch by proclamation (number 1):
"I do hereby, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, convene both Houses of Congress."

Ceasar (President) is now in full control even over the Senate (Congress).

A Presidential dictatorship has been imposed on U.S. citizens. The sad thing is, "Most American people do not realize it yet."

The corporate government created in 1871 will continue to exist as long as:

"state of war" or "emergency" exists (War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Terrorism, War on Iraq, etc.),

the President does not terminate "martial" or "emergency" powers by Executive Order or decree, or

the people do not resist submission and terminate by restoring lawful civil courts, processes and procedures under authority of the "inherent political powers" of the people.

The Fourteenth Amendment for all intents and purposes does not exist. On March 28, 1861 Congress adjourned sine die and never has reconvened de jure.
www.scratchinpost.net...

The original Thirteenth Amendment (no title of nobility), approved by 13 of the 17 states March 12, 1819 and thereby ratified, is the last proper draft of a de jure Amendment but is not recognized by the corporate (de facto) UNITED STATES.

The original 13th Amendment prohibits "Esquires" (Attorneys) from holding positions of public office.


[edit on 2/28/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 09:46 PM
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www.barefootsworld.net...
The Original Thirteenth Amendment
Ratified March 12, 1819

The Founders held an intense disdain and distrust of "Nobility" as a result of a long history, during Colonial times, of abuses and excesses against the Rights of Man and the established Common Law and Constitutions by the "Nobility", and therefore placed in the new Constitution two injunctions against acceptance of Titles of Nobility or Honor or emoluments from external sources. The Revolutionary War for Independence was primarily waged to eliminate these abuses and excesses of the "Nobility" and the "Monied Classes" from the life of the Nation, recognizing the Equality of all men.

As there was no penalty attached to a title of nobility or honor in the Constitution as originally ratified, the Original Thirteenth Amendment was proposed in December of 1809 to institute penalty for accepting or using a "Title of Nobility or Honor" to set oneself apart from, or superior to, or possessing of any special privileges or immunities not available to any other citizen of the United States, and to eliminate the widespread use of "emoluments" as bribery and of the legislatures and judiciary used to further the causes and positions of "Special Interests". It was an attempt to keep politicians and civil servants "Honest" in their service to the citizens.

As noted in the discussion in Article 1 of the Constitution, the original Thirteenth Amendment, was ratified in 1819, adding a heavy penalty upon any person holding or accepting a Title of Nobility or Honor, or emoluments from external powers by making that person "cease to be a citizen of the United States" and "incapable of holding any Office of Trust or Profit under the United States". This Amendment was proposed, properly ratified, and was a matter of record in the several States archives until 1876, by which time it was quietly, and fraudulently deleted, never repealed, during the period of Reconstruction after the Civil War and the presently acknowledged Thirteenth Amendment was substituted. The original records of the original 13th amendment were thought to be destroyed at the time of the burning of the capitol during the War of 1812, but have since been found in the archives of the British Museum, the national archives and in the archives of several of the States and territories. The fact of its existence had been lost to memory until, by chance, researchers discovered in the public library at Belfast, Maine an 1825 copy of the U. S. Constitution. Subsequent research shows that it was in the records of the ratifying states and territories until 1876, the last to drop it from record was the Territory of Wyoming after 1876. The most intriguing discovery was the 1867 Colorado Territory edition which includes both the "missing" Thirteenth Amendment and the current 13th Amendment, on the same page. The current 13th Amendment is listed as the 14th Amendment in the 1867 Colorado edition.

The 1876 Laws of Wyoming which similarly show the "missing" Thirteenth Amendment, the current 13th Amendment (freeing the slaves), and the current 15th Amendment on the same page. The current 13th Amendment is listed as the 14th, the current 14th amendment is omitted, and the current 15th Amendment is in proper place.

For further discussion and the history of the Original Thirteenth Amendment see "Demon of Discord, Ratification and Suppression of the Original Thirteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States."

On December 3, 1860, the month after Lincoln was elected, President Buchanan asked Congress to propose an "explanatory amendment". It was to be another 13th Amendment, to eradicate and cover-up the deletion of the Original Thirteenth Title of Nobility and Honour Amendment. This proposed amendment, which would have forever legalized slavery, was signed by President Buchanan the day before Lincoln took office.

This amendment to the Constitution relating to slavery was sent to the states for ratification by the Second Session of the Thirty-sixth Congress on March 2, 1861, when it passed the Senate, having previously passed the House on February 28, 1861. It is interesting to note in this connection that this and the ratified Anti-Slavery amendment of 1865 are the only resolutions proposing amendments to the Constitution to have been signed by the President. The President's signature is considered unnecessary because of the constitutional provision that on the concurrence of two-thirds of both Houses of Congress the proposal shall be submitted to the States for ratification.

The resolve to amend signed by President Buchanan on March 2, 1861, two days before Lincoln's inauguration, read:

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the following article be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which, when ratified by three-fourths of said Legislatures, shall be valid, to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution, viz:

"ARTICLE THIRTEEN, No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State."

In other words, President Buchanan had signed a resolve that would have forever permitted slavery, and upheld states' rights. Only one State, Illinois, Lincoln's home state, had ratified this proposed amendment before the Civil War broke out in 1861. It appears at 12 Stat. 251, 36th Congress. Two more State legislatures ratified it, beginning with Ohio on May 13, 1861, followed by Maryland on January 10, 1862.

But the onslaught of the Civil War taught that the Nation may be in even greater peril from the States than they ever were from the Nation. And so, after more than seventy years of national life, the people, by the presently acknowledged 13th Amendment and the two following, laid upon the States restrictions which a few years before would have been impossible. The Constitution had gone forty-six years (1819 - 1865) without an Amendment.

In the tumult of 1865, the original Thirteenth Amendment was removed from our Constitution. In a Congressional Resolve to amend dated December 5, 1864, approved and signed by President Lincoln, February 1, 1865, another Amendment numbered XIII (which prohibited slavery in Sect. 1, and ended states' rights in Sect. 2) was proposed. When, on January 13, 1865, a two-thirds vote was taken in the House of Representatives for proposing the currently presented 13th Amendment "in honor of the immortal and sublime event" the House adjourned. It was then presented to the States for ratification. Two months later, April 9, 1865, the Civil War ended with General Lee's surrender. On April 14, President Lincoln was assassinated, dying on April 15th.

On December 18, 1865, the "new" 13th Amendment loudly prohibiting and abolishing slavery (and quietly surrendering states rights to the federal government) was proclaimed adopted by Secretary of State Seward, replacing and effectively erasing the original Thirteenth Amendment that had prohibited acceptance of "titles of nobility" and "honors" and "emoluments", and dishonest politicians have been bought and bribed and have treasonously accepted graft from external sources ever since, with no thought of penalty.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by j2000
reply to post by tiso_us
 


yeah that was good. They had to change it because there gun law was against the Constitution.

Our Govt. is a joke!


I agree with you. I believe if everyone start early and start supporting the constitutional Party and throw these BUMS out, we just might have a chance.

Providing we last that long.

We need to ban the Republican and Democrats from any Election from here on out. all except a few people like Ron Paul.

Oh!!! before I forget.....the Omnibus bill will be going thru the Senate next week, keep a watchful eye out.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 10:23 PM
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I am going to start contacting all these different groups trying in one way or the other to fight the Govt.

Right now there are 100's as I've tried to find someone to fall in line with that might have a chance of getting the job done.

If all the groups would take one or two things in common, and join and fight for that, it might just do something.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 10:56 PM
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[I hope for all our long term sakes, the whole money system crashes and when half of the population is on the streets, they might actually care.]

I agree, that's the only way... But something tells me that after the next round of bailouts passes, the economy will 'suddenly' perk up... They (The banking elite) have to show something for all these bailouts.. Don't they?

If the current money system survives, then guarantee yourselves, everybody, that there will be another great depression within 30 years' time.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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I agree with you, but sometimes they lose a little control of things.

Where they win, is when we react just as they figure that we will.

They will push it as long as they can.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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www.scratchinpost.net...
In President Andrew Johnson's Veto message on the Reconstruction Act on July 19, 1867, he pointed out various unconstitutionalities as follows:

"The veto of the original bill of the 2d of March was based on two distinct grounds, the interference of Congress in matters strictly appertaining to the reserved powers of the States, and the establishment of military tribunals for the trial of citizens in time of peace.

A singular contradiction is apparent here. Congress declares these local State governments to be illegal governments, and then provides that these illegal governments shall be carried on by federal officers, who are to perform the very duties on its own officers by this illegal State authority. It certainly would be a novel spectacle if Congress should attempt to carry on a legal State government by the agency of its own officers. It is yet more strange that Congress attempts to sustain and carry on an illegal State government by the same federal agency.


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posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 05:08 PM
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I sincerely hope that DC does indeed become a state. For one reason alone:


No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen.


One of the reasons for DC in the first place was that so incumbents would not be inhabitants of any state, yet remain citizens of the US.

Also by making DC a state, it also removes the Congress as the ruling body. In theory, the Governor of the State of DC could call out the DC National Guard and capture the capitol of the US in one fell swoop and do so legally under a claim of defense from domestic enemies.

Hmm, if it passes I am moving and starting my bid as governor with the secret plans of drafting all the able-bodied people to fix some things for the betterment of the country and the world.


[edit on 28-2-2009 by Ahabstar]



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 06:15 PM
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Good find. But when I read it, I see why they should not have a Rep. in the Govt.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 06:31 PM
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There is also something to be considered of the fact that both Virgina and Maryland set aside valid claims to the area for the formation of DC as the seat of power for the federal government. While people do have a DC mailing address, I believe that their licenses are either VA or MD depending on where they live.

It is unconstitutional to carve a section of a state to make a new state. I do not recall seeing a time limit on that mentioned in the constitution.

West Virginia is only valid because at the time Virginia was a state of the CSA and not the USA. Thus the US Constitution did not apply.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 06:34 PM
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This would be like dressing a fox in a chickens outfit and putting him in the henhouse...if you legitimize DC as a state then all it's de facto seperate "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" might just completely nullify the "united states" constitutions, making the corporate USA master of the universe...as UCC currently is, "they" are seperate from us...if you make them a state...we become "them"...

I could be wrong, but, I think this would be the end of the "united states" in every manner and form...game over...

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posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 07:16 PM
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I am fairly ignorant on this topic. Could someone prehaps fill me and other members in on the debate. DC was set up as a non-state I believe, what does that exactly mean?

"No taxation without representation" is the argument DC residents use. Last time i was there I remember seeing many bumper stickers with that slogan.

Why don't they just not have taxes in DC it seems that would stop the argument.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 08:41 PM
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www.usavsus.info...
Certain members of Congress created the District of Columbia (DC) from portions of two states; Virginia (Virgin) and Maryland (Mary). Physically united together they are "Virgin Mary ," to form a more perfect union as
a new "United States".

US Titles and Codes,
in their awkward definitions,
call "DC" the "United States"

The new "United States" includes States such as District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, the Virgin Islands, and the Northern Mariana Islands. It does not include the 50 states united.
i.e. Title 26 Section 7701 Definitions (a) (9) and (10) 42 U.S.C. 405 (2)(c)(vii)

All Titles of the United States Code (USC) are strictly meant for the United States and none of the 50 states of the Union. Each of the 50 states have their own constitutions and laws. See Hepburn v. Ellzey, 2 Cranch, 445, 452, and John Barron v The Mayor and City of Baltimore 32 U.S. 243 (1833). These last two cases clearly state that the United States is not the 50 states of the Union.



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