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Firms defraud government but get new US contracts.

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posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 06:25 AM
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Firms defraud government but get new US contracts.


news.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON – Companies that defrauded the United States and jeopardized American lives received new government work despite rulings designed to stop them from receiving federal contracts, government investigators report.

Payments went to a company whose president tried to sell nuclear bomb parts to North Korea, a company that jeopardized lives on the aircraft carrier USS John F. Kennedy, and a seller of body armor that the Air Force said was defective.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 06:25 AM
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And we wonder why our national debt is so huge, or our budget deficits are so far out of whack

Because the government is rewarding cheaters, liars and thieves.

Many of these companies and their CEOs could be considered traitors, but they seem to keep slipping through the cracks.

Is it any wonder why people are so concerned about government nationalization of our banks?

It seems to me, it's time to take back our country from these crooks.

news.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 06:50 AM
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Here is a prime example of a government funded company doing illegal practices, yet getting a slap on the wrist and continuing on as business as usual.



NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- KBR Inc. (KBR) won't be prevented from pursuing new U.S. Defense Department contracts or have existing work suspended over the company's settlement of federal charges involving the bribing of Nigerian officials, the company's chief financial officer said Wednesday.

KBR and former parent Halliburton Co. (HAL) agreed to settlements totaling $ 579 million earlier this month, over bribes paid to Nigerian government officials that helped KBR secure construction work in the country.

money.cnn.com...

People seem to ignore this though. Why?

I mean, the CIA has formed a financial branch to investigate problems like this. Why aren't they doing their job? Because it's all part of the grand design.

Eliminate American wealth and put it into the hands of a few, that way control of the population through economic means is easy.

Welcome the the new world order of liars, cheats and thieves being in charge.



[edit on 27-2-2009 by doctordoom]



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 06:59 AM
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Because, bribes in Nigeria is like taking a crap.
Its as common as sand.
Everyone bribes everyone in Nigeria.
And they shake people down to.
I don't like Halliburton or KBR but, in this case its just the Nigerians shaking them down for cash.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:03 AM
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This is what we get for doing Military and Government cutbacks. All they do is hire twice as many people as contractors.

When I was an E-5 in the service. The military broke down how much I made a year. It came out to around 60k a year WITH all the benefits. Now I am a contractor doing the same work. My position costs the government 520k a year, I do half the work and in addition....

THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS I CANNNOT DO!!!!!!!!!!!! Because it violates the contract!!!

Thanks again Dems....



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by BorgHoffen
Because, bribes in Nigeria is like taking a crap.
Its as common as sand.
Everyone bribes everyone in Nigeria.
And they shake people down to.
I don't like Halliburton or KBR but, in this case its just the Nigerians shaking them down for cash.


So this makes it acceptable??

You realize this is taxpayer money going for bribes. You OK with that??



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:21 AM
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The title is a little misleading.
These corporations are granted the contracts by the government, who are the ones defrauding the tax paying public.

It's a known fact that corporations awarded government contracts will always bump up the costs, and usually get away with huge cost overruns that they'd be penalised heavily for in the private sector. Those corporations usually have links to politicians and will have greased the right palms to be awarded a contract. The idea that it's the government being defrauded doesn't wash - they know exactly what they are doing.

I have said for a long time that there needs to be close independent scrutiny of government contract awards to ensure that the taxpayers are not getting shafted, and that everything is above board. I won't hold my breath waiting though.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:26 AM
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Did I say I was ok with that?
Did I say it was acceptable?
Why can you not read what I said, instead of trying to insinuate I said something else.
What is the major malfunction in regards to this?
I said in this situation it is clearly the Nigerians shaking them down for more cash.
Who's cash?That wasn't what the article in question was about.
That would be an article in regards to, why does Halliburton/KBR have tax payers money.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:26 AM
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A Navy contractor was found to be substituting illegal parts on an aircraft carrier in 2006 and was subsequently suspended. Less than a month later, the Navy gave the company three new contracts worth more than $100,000 because the contracting officer failed to check the EPLS database.

A man found guilty of Medicare fraud and banned from receiving contracts in April 2003 later resurfaced when he opened a company in his wife's name. The company received Medicare payments for three years.

In the case of the German company, the Army said in its debarment order that the actions of the company's president presented a “compelling interest to discontinue any business with this morally bankrupt individual.” However, the Army said it was legally obligated to continue the contract with the company. GAO said there were options available to terminate the contract.

www.washingtontimes.com...

And here we go dumping more money into the Medicare system.
First.
Why are soooo many people getting sick. Prevention may be in order.
Second.
Fix the fraud and one would find Medicare is already getting plenty of money.

Maybe people have been sucking in too much chemtrail pollution.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:33 AM
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Sorry to burst you bubble, my husband is a retired Marine and also a contractor for one of the three top contracting firms in the nation, guess what you are right about the pay and the job.

But it was the Bush administration with their 6 year Republican congress that gave Rumsfeld the green light to privatize the Military.

Take away the power of the Military to self support and give it to the profiteers of war.

I guess you forgot about that.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:38 AM
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Well, I was an E5 (Petty Officer Second Class) when I got out.

It took many years of hard work and sacrifices to get where I am now.

But I never took a government handout and have paid my taxes, like everyone else. I will never support war again, after what I witnessed during Desert Storm



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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Semper Fi

However, it is not just about Bush, the cutbacks started back right before the Carter days and have continued through Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and will continue through Obama. Unfortunately not one side or the other can be blamed...

Oh I have not forgotten.....



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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There's a similar thing happening on this side of the Atlantic. Not quite the same thing but a lot of large scale government projects such as IT that are getting contracted to the same small group of private firms through Private Finance Initiative* schemes again and again.

This is despite the fact that these firms continually fail to deliver work on time or as expected. These contracts tend to be disaster and have cost the tax payer billions. Yet it continues.

It's going to be very interesting as to where many of our current senior politicians go as directors and advisors after leaving office.



*People who continue this idea that Britain or England is somehow run on 'socialism' really have little understanding of socialism of how politics actually works over here.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:47 AM
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Thanks for your input.

Yes, this is a global corporate takeover.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by doctordoom
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Thanks for your input.

Yes, this is a global corporate takeover.



Funny that you say that, because I have tried to apply for the higher positions in the company, but they seem to be reserved... hmmm maybe for former officers or certain politicians who have gotten the company moneys????



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:49 AM
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My husband was active duty during the Kuwait conflict he spend 8 months oversea mostly in Bahrain doing business in behave of the US government with the Saudis.

Back then all those jobs were the jobs of the military within their jobs description.

Now is three or four contractors doing the jobs that one military soldier could do.

Our local base when my husband was station in it, was mostly military doing the jobs as the war in Iraq started and the military personnel was send oversea the base started to fill out the positions with civilian contractors.

One of the hidden reasons that the government will rather keep our troops oversea rather than bringing them home is because if they bring them home they have to let them go.

As the many military bases no longer can support the troops home and the take over by the military will render hundred of thousand contractors jobless.

But can you imagine how much money the government will save if the military do the job again that they were used to do before the Privatization?.

I have to agree that is nothing but a waste of tax payer when it comes to contractors.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by doctordoom
 


My husband was active duty during the Kuwait conflict he spend 8 months oversea mostly in Bahrain doing business in behave of the US government with the Saudis.

Back then all those jobs were the jobs of the military within their jobs description.

Now is three or four contractors doing the jobs that one military soldier could do.

Our local base when my husband was station in it, was mostly military doing the jobs as the war in Iraq started and the military personnel was send oversea the base started to fill out the positions with civilian contractors.

One of the hidden reasons that the government will rather keep our troops oversea rather than bringing them home is because if they bring them home they have to let them go.

As the many military bases no longer can support the troops home and the take over by the military will render hundred of thousand contractors jobless.

But can you imagine how much money the government will save if the military do the job again that they were used to do before the Privatization?.

I have to agree that is nothing but a waste of tax payer when it comes to contractors.



LoL I totally agree, and the sad thing is I am one... but I was also "downsized" from the military for cutbacks. They med discharged me on some BS that I could only fight if I went in front of a med board against 3 Full birds.

The amount of money that goes out in contracts is rediculous. We have contracts going on on my base now that are 2 years past there scheduled completion date. They employ 50 ppl at $75 per hour 40 hrs a week, they are claiming that this is not there duty station so are getting moneys for flight home every weekend, hotel stays, rental cars, for all 50 all week.

BTW me as an E-5 with an E-4 and two E-3's could have pulled off the same task in 1 1/2 yrs, including the deployments!!!!



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:54 AM
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Oh yeah, the people get $75 pr hour, the company gets 3 times that.....



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:55 AM
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Actually it was under the Clinton administration that the closing of base became priority, after the incentives of early retirement pay after the load of soldiers from the first gulf war started to come back.

This was in an effort to save money in the defense spending.

Then the excuse that the military was weak during the middle east war was what prompted the privatization.

Now our military budget is over inflated due to the many contracts that the government support, jobs that the military is well capable of doing.



posted on Feb, 27 2009 @ 07:57 AM
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Just remember though that its a different pool of money, they feds are still showing savings in the military because this money falls under congressional Contracts......



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