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Topic started on 26-2-2009 @ 01:14 PM by Bushi

I found this information on our rights.... I am sure this is only a few. Check out the site and tell me what you think....

www.prohibitionists.org...

Amendment 1:

A. Students at local high schools have been kept from offering prayers at their graduation ceremonies.

B. The initiative process is becoming increasingly difficult.

Amendment 2:

A. Federal, state and local laws are becoming increasingly complex, making it difficult to own firearms.

B. The required registration of firearms sets the stage for hostile tyrants to easily overcome opposition.

Amendment 4:

A. Frequent searches are made by police without warrant by the assumption of 'probable cause'.

Amendment 5:

A. The lives of unborn children are taken without due process of law. These are human beings with human genetic structure, who show evidence of voluntary action, and who have active brain waves with reflex to pain and comfort.

B. Laws have been distorted so as to limit personal liberty, such as ever increasing amounts of professional licensing in order to hold employment.

C. Foreign treaties for 'World Wilderness Areas' are forcing eviction from personal property. The United States Government has placed selected portions of American soil under control of foreign entities which do not share American values. One example is the placement of certain federal parks under United Nations control.

D. The Constitutional right to property is distorted by taxing property. Whereas other forms of taxation do not threaten a person's right to property, property tax places a person in jeopardy of losing a lifetime of work and savings if repeated annual taxes on the same article cannot be paid.
E. The Internal Revenue Service deprives citizens of property without due process of law.

Amendment 6:

A. Long and protracted trials have taxed the resources of both state and defendants with the effect of lining the pockets of those in the legal profession.

Amendment 10:

A. Local communities and individuals have lost rights of self determinations to the Federal Government and to the States in such areas as education, right to work, and the ability to keep communities free from predatory practices. In the name of 'liberty, freedom and Constitutional Rights', predatory practices like the sale of pornography, gambling, the sale of drugs and homosexual activities, are being protected and thereby forced upon local communities.
For those who read the Constitution and reflect upon its contents, concern about its survival (in light of current conditions) should be spontaneous.

This does not include what they are trying to do to us now!!!

reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 01:17 PM by Tentickles

reply to post by Bushi

Good find Bushi.
And it is true. Our rights are dwindling away. We know it. It's very public and very open. It's stupid that we accept it so easily.
It is extremely horrible that a group of people (about 1000) people have the ability to completely destroy our Constitutional Rights!

I say we need a new government.

Edit: The last one is a little bit filled with bigotry but I do agree that at certain ages children should not be exposed to porn and other sexual acts.

[edit on 26-2-2009 by Tentickles]

reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 01:26 PM by Cuhail

I think it's a lot of words without any real example of where the individual rights-loss has taken place.

As in...

Amendment 1: Name 5 High Schools this has happened at.

Amendment 2: (A) I agree. I live in Chicagoland and see this happening, but (B) I'd like a specific example.

Amendment 4: Cite a real example.

Amendment 5: (A) and (B) Cite a real example. As for (C), look at the tollway system, this problem does exist. (D) You don't pay your taxes, you lose the property. Makes sense. (E) The IRS is indeed, the biggest conspiracy ever.

Amendment 6: Well said, but, cite examples. I agree with this assessment though.

Amendment 10: ...hmmmmm.

...and what are "they" doing to us now, exactly?

Just asking,
Cuhail

reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 01:42 PM by Res Ipsa

How old are some of you people? Where did you learn about history or the Constitution? We are losing rights? really? Well you can't own slaves anymore so you got me there.

What friggin rights did women have for the longest time here....for blacks and minorities....gays....(and they are still struggling) When did you have more freedoms? When did the Constitution protect you more? I still see ignorant people spouting off about "free speech" as if it were some uninfringeable right. Every single right you have in the Constitution that you are challenging for being violated, either gets a strict scrutiny, intermediate, or rational basis, review by the SCOTUS but that means every single right can be "infringed" depending on how fundemental the right is and how the Court feels about it.

Let me clue you in on something....there are now "originalist" Jurist on the bench...they are when the matter isn't personal to them but when it is...they are all "legal realist". So stop ranting about our Constitutional rights being high jacked as if they weren't always from the beginning. We are better off now then they were at any other time in our history....and they will get better....Gays will get to marry one day....they will join Women and Blacks and other minorities and get the same damn protections as the rest of us. This Country continues to move forward, albeit slow as hell, but we are not going backwards as most of you have suggested.

...someday we will look back at capital punishment as we do slavery. Today we still murder retards who have the mentality of a 6yr old. We still think that gays getting married is going to turn our kids gay. We have allowed the federal government to decide that abortion is a "fundemental right" That wasn't some recent decision. Miranda wasn't in the Constitution! Incorporation of the Bill of Rights into the 14th amendment wasn't something Madison envisioned. The Constitution IS a living breathing document and it evolves as we as a society does and it also suffers its set backs and growing pains. yeah, I know Justices like Scalia say otherwise...but read their opinions and you would have to be blind to not see the hypocrisy when they deviate from strict constructionalist interpretations.

reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 01:49 PM by Bushi

Originally posted by Cuhail

I think it's a lot of words without any real example of where the individual rights-loss has taken place.

As in...

Amendment 1: Name 5 High Schools this has happened at.

Amendment 2: (A) I agree. I live in Chicagoland and see this happening, but (B) I'd like a specific example.

Amendment 4: Cite a real example.

Amendment 5: (A) and (B) Cite a real example. As for (C), look at the tollway system, this problem does exist. (D) You don't pay your taxes, you lose the property. Makes sense. (E) The IRS is indeed, the biggest conspiracy ever.

Amendment 6: Well said, but, cite examples. I agree with this assessment though.

Amendment 10: ...hmmmmm.

...and what are "they" doing to us now, exactly?

Just asking,
Cuhail

Here are honest answers:

Ammendment 1: I personally cannot, but I can tell you that I had a teacher from high school suspended for telling the class her beliefs. She did not try to force it on us. All she did was try and practice her rights.

Ammendment 2: Owning a fully automatic weapon is illegal

Ammendment 4: I have had my vehicle searched in this manner while on interstate travel

Ammendment 5: A, I have lost 2 children this way because I had NO CHOICE when a ex-girlfriend did not want them.
B, Look at most state run jobs, I.E. If I wanted to be a PE teacher I cannnot with a teaching degree, and teaching cert, yet I have the credits through the military and I am a martial arts instructor.
D, how is it right to tax me on something I own?? ITS MINE!!! LOL

Ammendment 6: O.J. Simpson!!!!

Ammendment 10: Not my interpretation but I included it since it was on the original source info. Some people may claim this as a right though...

I cant drive my car without wearing a seatbelt, smoke outdoors without having to go to a "smoking area", pray or refuse to pray where I want to... etc....

reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 01:56 PM by Bushi

reply to post by Res Ipsa

I'm sorry, first off, I am 28. Second I failed to realize that women, blacks, gays, etc. were specifically not given rights in the constitution. I just assumed is was originally meant for everyone... maybe that is my silly idealism.

I am quite happy with the progress of "giving" rights to the people

I am not happy with the systematic taking of them.

Sure you can sit there and say that I have them all day... Then why was I denied the right to vote????

Why do I not have the right to bare arms????

Now if the constitution was talking about privelages well then I will just shutup. Privelages can be taken away. My rights cannot... or rather, are not supposed to be...

reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 01:59 PM by Cuhail

OJ Simpson! Good point!

Bushi, I wasn't disagreeing with you on any of the points, I was hoping to stimulate you into expanding how it affects you, personally. You pretty much did that. Thank you.

Now, to expand on this thread, what do you propose to do about it? Or, more to the reality of this, what CAN be done?

Obama is pushing for harder gun laws and chances are they will be passed, but, does it really affect the gun problem in the US? No, because it only affects legally bought firearms, not the ones the criminals are buying off the street and modifying.

Reduce all of what you wrote in your original post to its basic elements.

They are:

Weapons
Drugs
Sex

The three money makers of the world. It all comes down to those three things.

Cuhail

(Starred and Flagged by the way.)

reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 02:04 PM by Amaterasu

Originally posted by Bushi
A. The lives of unborn children are taken without due process of law. These are human beings with human genetic structure, who show evidence of voluntary action, and who have active brain waves with reflex to pain and comfort.

I want to address this particular item...

First, if you examine the fetus of a sheep, for example, you will find these same "signs" to be present. Therefore, this is indicative only of "life," not "human life," per se.

Second, in many scriptures worldwide we are told that the soul enters the body at first breath. Though I hold to no dogma, this sounds like a good benchmark.

Third, what of the rights of one, forced to first breath, to all the requirements of human life: food, clothing, shelter and (especially!) love? What we do now is force these unwanted to first breath and then abandon them, patting ourselves on the back for getting them to that moment. Meanwhile, they almost always are neglected and abused. Gee. Aren't WE heroes.

So claiming rights for the unborn without taking responsibility for providing for the unwanted is a false doctrine. It is heinous and vile, in fact.

reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 02:13 PM by Amaterasu

Originally posted by Res Ipsa
When did you have more freedoms? When did the Constitution protect you more?

Well... Prior to a certain "War" on some people who use some...things we are not currently allowed to discuss here, the Fourth Amendment assured us:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Today we see people having property seized, on the spot, when they are merely accused of involvement with the undiscussable things. 80% of people who have lost property this way are never even changed with a crime.

That is one I can easily pull off the top of my head.

reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 02:16 PM by organism315

reply to post by Bushi

I AM YOUR ALLY! You are free to u2u me, anytime. I have a lot of ideas to share on this topic.

I think America is ready for their freedoms to be RESTORED, because they HAVE been usurped by tyrannical executives in the last administration.

REPEAL THE PATRIOT ACTS!!!

[edit on 26-2-2009 by organism315]

reply posted on 26-2-2009 @ 02:19 PM by Bushi

Unfortunately there is not too much that "I" personally can do. What we should do as a people is review what has been happening and elect strong leaders that will look into our interests, constitutionally.

reply posted on 4-3-2009 @ 03:32 PM by Res Ipsa

Originally posted by Amaterasu

Originally posted by Res Ipsa
When did you have more freedoms? When did the Constitution protect you more?

Well... Prior to a certain "War" on some people who use some...things we are not currently allowed to discuss here, the Fourth Amendment assured us:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Today we see people having property seized, on the spot, when they are merely accused of involvement with the undiscussable things. 80% of people who have lost property this way are never even changed with a crime.

That is one I can easily pull off the top of my head.