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Originally posted by skeptic_al
Originally posted by djvexd
reply to post by skeptic_al
I don't see Obama as the President that will discard the Ammendment, but
as the first President to actually enforce the Ammendment.
Technically this amendment is not enforceable against the people. And from a legal standpoint, in the wording, any measure that interferes with the peoples right to bare arms is an infringement. The amendment also implys that any act that would weaken the peoples ability to to secure a reasonable defense is an infringement. Shotguns, pistols and hunting rifles are not a reasonable defense.
I cant believe that no one has posted any info from the federalist papers. Written by the guys that where there at the time and helped write the founding documents. They make it very clear what the 2nd amendment means. I cant even understand why there is even a question.
Anyway...here is a gun confiscator for you..
Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people. (Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.)
Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive. (Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).)
When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually...I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor...(George Mason)
The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them. (Zacharia Johnson)
That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. (The Virginia delegation)
The whole of that Bill of Rights is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of.
(Albert Gallatin to Alexander Addison, Oct 7, 1789, MS. in N.Y. Hist. Soc.-A.G. Papers, 2.)
Originally posted by blue413
So they're using the drug cartels on the mexican border as an excuse to ban assault weapons in the U.S.?
I guess if we turn over our AW's, the low lifes involved in drug cartels will turn theirs over as well? (rolls eyes)
Originally posted by TV_Nation
Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban
(visit the link for the full news article)
Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border.
Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by Marked One
Yes, this idea that what? Guns going from the US to Mexico????
What like guns came into Vietnam from Cambodia?
Sounds to me like the average citizen needs an assault weapons "surge" into the area.
I saw a picture the other day of a pile of headless men dumped outside a small village down there. They need weapons, they need a 2nd amendment those poor people.
These entire goings on in Mexico have the earmarks of a destabilization campaign waged against the government and people of Mexico by some outside government.
Our press and government just keeps telling us it is the work of sophisticated drug cartels but dont you believe it. They are soldiers for outside powers supporting themselves with the drug trade as well as their masters elsewhere.
The Obama admin intends to ban gun shows.
Originally posted by xmotex
The Obama admin intends to ban gun shows.
Do you have any evidence to back this up, or is it merely suspicion presented as if it were fact?
"I think closing the gun show loophole, the banning of cop-killer bullets and I also think that making the assault weapons ban permanent, would be something that would be permitted under Heller," Holder said, referring to the Supreme Court ruling in Washington, D.C. v. Heller, which asserted the Second Amendment as an individual's right to own a weapon.
Originally posted by xman_in_blackx
Some of the information I see coming out of news networks is pure propaganda. I have seen ouright lies not only in the national media but here on ATS as well. I try to pipe inwhen I can but it is like some people have no lives and do this all day every day spreading lies.