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THE biggest and most mind-bending coincidence on Earth!

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posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 10:35 AM
reply to post by bsbray11

The moon rotates. It rotates at the rate of once every 27 (point something) days. If it did not rotate there would not be a far side which is never visible. This has nothing to do with physics. This is a simple fact. That you don't know this is an indication of how you can reject the facts of physical science.

[edit on 2/26/2009 by Phage]

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 10:36 AM
Wow, cool thread, star & flag from me - awesome research!

And, we all know the moon was 'parked' there eh? (nervous laughter)

Also, thanks to Welfhard for the link to listverse - although this may take me away from my beloved ATS.

Enjoying the thread!

**Edit for spelling - too much coffee ;P

[edit on 2/26/2009 by Whisper67]

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 11:03 AM
Thiss is my first post on ATS.

I have been interested in astronomy and coincidences for a long time, but the moon is definitly one of the more interesting things to study.

The coincidence of the moon exactly eclipsing the sun at this time is just one.

The female menstrual cycle is linked the the cycle of the moon, the word "menstrual" is linguistically related to the word "moon". Also, from human conception to birth is 9 moon cycles. This is why the moon is regarded as a feminine symbol across hundreds of cultures. The new moon, waxing, full and waning moon all symbolise phases of life.

The level of accidents and strange phenomena are known to increase slightly at the full moon. Police report they have more work and doctors see more patients at the full moon than at any other time. The word "lunacy" is also moon related.

The behaviour of animals is affected with the phases of the moon, and especially when the moon is full. A long time ago the moon was venerated by hunters as they knew the connection between the moon and the animals they hunted. It wasn't until the agricultural revolution 10000 years ago that the sun was worshipped more than the moon, since the sun and the seasons were so important to the crops.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 11:39 AM
Here is a cool list of some of the bizarre moon facts I found out there on the www.

"1. Moon’s Age:

Is much older than previously expected and maybe even older than the Earth or even the Sun. Earth’s age is estimated to be 4.6 billion years old at the most by some scientists – while various moon rocks were dated at 5.3 billion years old. What’s more puzzling is that the dust upon which they were resting was at least another billion years older.
2. Rock’s Origin:

The chemical composition of the dust below the rocks differs remarkably from the rocks themselves. This excludes the possibility that the dust resulted from the weathering rocks themselves. Where did the rocks come from? Somewhere else?
3. Heavier Elements on Surface:

On Earth and the composition of other planets, the heavier elements are normally found in the core while the lighter materials are concentrated at the surface. But not so with the moon. The abundance of refractory elements like titanium in the surface areas is so pronounced, that several geologists proposed that the refractory compounds must have been brought to the moon’s surface in great quantity in some unknown way. They are adamant. They don’t know how, but there is no other way for this to have happened!
4. Water Vapour:

On the 7th March 1971, lunar instruments that were positioned on the moon by the astronauts recorded a cloud of water vapour passing across the surface of the moon. The cloud covered an area of about 100 square miles and lasted 14 hours.
5. Magnetic Rocks:

Moon rocks are magnetised. This is very strange because there is no magnetic field on the moon itself. And it could not have originated from a "lose call" with Earth because such an encounter would have ripped the moon apart.
6. No Volcanoes:

Some of the moon’s craters originated internally, yet there is no indication that the moon was ever hot enough to produce volcanic eruptions.
7. Moon Mascons:

Mascons are large, dense, circular masses, lying twenty to forty miles beneath the centres of each of the moon’s large maria (dried crater-like ocean beds). Some scientists suggest that these are broad, disk-shaped objects, that could even be some kind of artificial constructions. Huge circular disks would not appear perfectly centred beneath each huge mare by coincidence or accident, they claim.
8. Seismic Activity:

Hundreds of "moonquakes" are recorded each year that cannot be attributed to meteor strikes. In November 1958, Soviet astronomer Nikolay A. Kozyrev of the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory photographed a gaseous eruption of the moon near the crater Alphonsus. He also detected a reddish glow that lasted for about an hour. In 1963, astronomers at the Lowell Observatory also saw reddish glows on the crests of ridges in the Aristarchus region.

What is really fascinating about these events, is that they were observed to be identical in their activity and they occur precisely and periodically, repeating themselves as the moon moves closer to Earth. These are probably not natural phenomena.
9. Hollow Moon:

The moon’s mean density is 3.34 gm/cm3 (3.34 times an equal volume of water) whereas the Earth’s mean density is 5.5. What does this mean? In 1962, NASA scientist Dr. Gordon MacDonald stated, "If the astronomical data are reduced, it is found that the data require that the interior of the moon is more like a hollow than a homogeneous sphere."

Nobel chemist Dr. Harold Urey suggested the moon’s reduced density is because of large areas inside the moon where is "simply a cavity."

MIT’s Dr. Sean C. Solomon wrote, "the Lunar Orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the moon’s gravitational field… indicating the frightening possibility that the moon might be hollow."

In Carl Sagan’s work Intelligent Life in the Universe, the famous astronomer stated, "A natural satellite cannot be a hollow object."

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 11:41 AM
10. Moon Echoes:

On the 20th November 1969, the crew of Apollo 12 jettisoned the lunar module ascent stage causing it to crash onto the moon some 40 miles from the Apollo 12 landing site. This created an artificial moonquake with startling characteristics. The moon reverberated like a bell for more than an hour. This phenomenon was intentionally repeated with Apollo 13, when they allowed the third stage to impact the moon. The results were even more startling. Seismic instruments recorded that the reverberations lasted for three hours and twenty minutes and travelled to a depth of twenty-five miles. This lead to the conclusion that the moon has an unusually light, or even no core.
11. Unusual Metals:

The moon’s crust is much harder than presumed. The astronauts encountered extreme difficulty when they tried to drill into the maria. The maria is composed primarily ilmenite, which is a mineral containing large amounts of titanium, the same metal used to fabricate the hulls of deep-diving submarines and the skin of the SR-71 "Blackbird". What is even more puzzling, was the discovery of Uranium 236 and Neptunium 237 in lunar rocks (elements not found in nature on Earth). And a further surprise was finding rustproof iron particles. What?
12. Moon’s Origin:

Before the moon rocks conclusively disproved all the common theories about the moon’s origins, these were some of the theories.

The moon was believed to have originated when a chunk of Earth broke off eons ago (who knows from where, if the materials are not the same?).

Another theory was that the moon was created from leftover "space dust" remaining after the Earth was created. Analysis of the composition of moon rocks disproved this theory also.

Another popular theory is that the moon was somehow "captured" by the Earth’s gravitational attraction. But no scientific evidence exists to support this theory. Isaac Asimov stated, "It’s too big to have been captured by the Earth. The chances of such a capture having been effected and the moon then having taken up a nearly circular orbit around our Earth, are too small to make such an eventuality credible."
13. Weird Orbit:

Our moon does not rotate on its axis. We only ever see one side of the moon. There is what is known as the "dark side of the moon" that we have never seen from Earth. It is the only moon in the solar system that has a stationary, near-perfect circular orbit. Stranger still, the moon’s centre of mass is about 6000 feet closer to the Earth than its geometric centre (which should cause wobbling), but the moon’s bulge is on the far side of the moon, away from the Earth. "Something or someone" had to put the moon in orbit with its precise altitude, course, and speed.
14. Moon Diameter:

How does one explain the "coincidence" that the moon is just the right distance, coupled with just the right diameter, to completely cover the sun during an eclipse? Again, Isaac Asimov responds, "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only the Earth among all the planets is blessed in this fashion."
15. Spaceship Moon Theory:

As outrageous as it may sound, it is quite possible that the moon is a giant, intelligently designed spaceship, with a specific purpose. The facts lead us convincingly to such an insane conclusion. The only theory that is supported by all of the data, is that the moon is a gigantic extraterrestrial craft, brought here eons ago by intelligent beings, and there is no data that seems to contradict this theory.

(Thank you Ronald Regehr)

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 11:42 AM
reply to post by Chonx

Good post-theres some interesting points in this interview about relative lunar size and scale - the author uses the first form of mathematics ever devised (Sumerian Gesh) to make some intruiging corellations.


Sumerian Gesh hexidecimal system.


posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 11:43 AM
reply to post by Chonx

It would be more scientific to say that this is not a coincidence at all. While it is easy to admire the beauty of the eclipse event and the cosmic scale of it, it is not - speaking strictly from the point of view of the physical sciences - a coincidence. To have a coincidence, you must have a probabilistic or chaotic element in the system which gives rise, whether directly or indirectly, to the event in question. In the case of the eclipse, it is actually a periodic event governed by non probabilistic laws (celestial mechanics is well understood). Periodicities are never coincidences - can never be - because they occur periodically.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Chonx

To reiterate that:

The Sun is 400 times bigger than the Moon but also 400 times further away.

Flaw in your equation right here.

The Sun > 400x The Moon.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 11:57 AM
reply to post by Chonx

Very neat post! An astronomer by the name of Guillermo Gonzales was absolutely intrigued by solar eclipses and that led to his study of the earth and space and eventually a very awesome (and controversial) documentary called The Privileged Planet. One of his big things is that the Earth is the best place in the solar system in terms of being able to see eclipses. And that the Earth is located in a perfect spot in the Milky way galaxy to be able to see and view the skies because the part of spiral that we're located in isn't too dusty to block our view of the rest of the galaxy or universe.
You should look it up and check it out, I think you'd appreciate Mr. Gonzales' work!

Also, while watching the documentary "The Hyperdimensional Election of Barack Obama" by Richard Hogland he mentions that the moon was specifically placed to act as a govenor for the earth.

A governor, or speed limiter, is a device used to measure and regulate the speed of a machine, such as an engine. A classic example is the centrifugal governor, also known as the Watt or fly-ball governor, which uses weights mounted on spring-loaded arms to determine how fast a shaft is spinning, and then uses proportional control to regulate the shaft speed.

Pretty amazing stuff and...
The Bible tells us exactly who placed the moon there.
"Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day."
Genesis 1:16-19

So it should be no surprise to find that we have the best place in the solar system to view eclipses from or that we've got a moon that is so precisely linked to our lives.

[edit on 26-2-2009 by Eisley]

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:06 PM
reply to post by Welfhard

Well, it would seem to be more astronomical in nature, however Earth is the only place where you can view these extraordinary astronomical performances between our sun and our moon.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:12 PM
reply to post by Th8nker

The theory suggest that it is a natural satelite of earth in the sense that it was once part of earth in the ealy days of the solar system. The earth was hit by a mar sized planet and the colksion impact caused so much destruction much of the debris was yanked into space. The remaining debris around the plenet eventually colided up and formed the moon as we know it today.

The Minerals and rock is simalar to that of earth.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:22 PM
reply to post by Chonx

A great theory is one I heard days ago, I forget the scientists name but he stated that there is a high probability of there being on earth like planet for every star in the milky way galaxy. Saying that the posability of there being billions of earth like planets is real, so in that instance this "eclispe miracle" could simply be a galactic common.

*Edited* Here is the actual article:

Also someone started a thread about it here:

[edit on 26-2-2009 by TNT13]

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:28 PM
Also as a more mind bogaling thought: would it be possible for a planet to have multiple moons so therefor have a higher chance of having solar eclipses more then often every year or better yet a solar eclipse every 3 weeks.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:28 PM
reply to post by Chonx

What's the point of this??? the moon has a similar eclipse (but with the earth obviously), and even though the earth is bigger and they are at the same distance it still looks nearly the same. Not thought provoking enough I'm afraid.

Earth eclipse.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:30 PM
reply to post by Azgard123

Cool facts, thanks for the info.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:30 PM
reply to post by spitefulgod

I think what he's inspired by is the probability for this to happen and the coincidence of number sequences and distances from each. The math is actually quite beautiful, we're in just the right spot, if we were any closer the sun would be visible behind the moon and we'd never have any solar eclipse. I know, I know not like I have to tell you these facts and it's not that big of a deal to me but hey to each his own.

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posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:37 PM
reply to post by TNT13

Given that the image above shows the image of an eclipse from the moon I would think that the moon could be several thousand / tens of thousands of miles closer and you'd still get a similar eclipse. But like you said, each to there own, looking at the night sky is beautiful when the conditions are right.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:38 PM
I seem to remember hearing somewhere (probably on one of the many groovy little videos we all find ourselves watching) that there are many, many space coincidences. One I half remember is that if the position ofthe planets, being in the perfect position and the right distances appart to fit exactly into a logarithmic spiral. But that's all I remember about it. Anyone else heard of this before/ have some more info on that?

edit cos I just found this little link, but it seems to be written in some undecipherable code. So I've no idea if it's related.

Does anyone speak geek?

or any other funky space coincidences? I'm sure there was something to do with galaxies and the way they spin aswell, but I could well have just invented that in my head. I think these come from some book about amazing coincidences, that there was only a 100 or so made and the writer was all very secretive about it. Anyon heard of a book like that?

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posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:43 PM
reply to post by spitefulgod

I was refering to both the earth and the moon moving closer toward the sun, not the moon moving closer to earth.

I watched a show on discovery about the moon slowly moving away from the earth and eventually we will lose it into space, if that happens the planets gone too and any chance of an eclipse.

this is some information on it:

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posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 01:07 PM
reply to post by Jiffy

He's actually right that the diameter of the sun is 400 times larger and his equation proves it. We're not talking entire area we're talking diameter. If it was entire area 64 million moons can fit inside the sun.

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