Okay, I gave up on reading the entire thread before chiming in – I made it through 18 pages though
The first thing I want to say is that I love the DISC idea. But if you do decide to do that I strongly think a new thread is in order announcing that
decision and only
to be used for nominations/volunteering.
I imagine many people gave up on this thread after ten pages or so of stuff that we've all seen a hundred times if we're at all concerned about ATS
policy on drug related topics.
I support the administration's decision to have a period of zero-tolerance on drug discussion, although I lament that it has come to that point. And
I have concerns about how this will impact certain other topics, including the war in Afghanistan and historical conspiracies including MK Ultra.
But I have seen for myself that some members whose primary focus seems to be in the war on drugs not only cannot refrain from posting on their own use
of illegal mind-altering substances, but even do so in threads where such discussion is a serious stretch of the topic.
A couple times in the early pages of this thread the point was brought up that industrial hemp is not usable as a mind-altering substance: that is
true, but I have seen threads about the benefits of hemp get bent into threads about the hypocrisy of outlawing smokable marijuana but permitting
alcohol consumption. And then right on into complaints about ATS policy in the matter.
In any thread even peripherally related, there is the inevitable "now just wait until the fascists in charge of ATS shut this thread down."
That kind of attitude is not helpful to your cause, folks. The administration tried relaxing the restrictions – I don't know how it was before the
experiment, since it must have started at just about the time that I joined ATS. But they report that what they found was a simultaneous rise in
juvenile posting behavior not only on these topics, but across the boards.
RATS has become known as the "drug forum" – which is not at all the concept behind it, and hardly conducive to its use in discussing other things
that members don't want exposed to Google searches.
I also saw a number of posts saying "well, get the mods to do their jobs" or "hire more mods". I think perhaps a lot of people don't realize
that ATS moderators are unpaid volunteers
who have been nominated to that position as valuable members.
To "hire" more moderators is not that simple – the administration has to find members who are both up to the task and willing to take on the
I will also point out that we have no idea about how much moderator time goes into various activities – I think that one thing a DISC committee
would have to look carefully at is how to allow important discussion to flourish without becoming too much of a drain on moderator time.
I am confident that the waves will eventually die down and that ATS will reopen legitimate discourse on conspiracies related to substances currently
illegal in the U.S., but I think we need to give them some time to get a clean slate for this.
edit to add: now back to the next 30 pages
And by the time that's done, there'll be another 18 pages. Why is it that people can talk so much
more about whether ATS banning drug talk is a conspiracy than anything else?
[edit on 2/26/09 by americandingbat]