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Group of Rich Americans Sues UBS to Keep Names Secret in Tax Case

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posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 07:27 PM
This is getting serious! There is more to this than meets the eye here.

Swiss Banks!!! The people that have swiss bank accts. are not all bad, dishonest people. Most are but not all of them.

Intelligence Agencies use swiss banks and especially UBS in the form of shell companies, which some of them actually have an operating staff and business practice. They use the swiss banks to hide the agency operating cash inside of the business. This is where it gets complicated. If you have a shell company of sort, the CEO and Prime employees show bonuses, losses and such I will leave the actual details out of this but the money gets funneled to a swiss bank account to fund Intel Agencies operations. It is usually in the ten of millions of dollars. The bad thing about this is most of this money is really used for legit intelligence work by true honest patriotic spooks. Weird Huh! That is the way they hide money from the SIOC. The truth is, this is a necessary evil to get what they need with out all of the prying eyes and ears.

Sometimes in rare cases, you will have real businesses that do real business and funnel money to these accounts for Intel guys and units and then you will have a Rep. get a piece of pork attached to a bill to throw back at these businesses 3 fold. Do you get the picture.

This is going to be very interesting to see if any of the bail out money like was mentioned above shows up as well.

Glad I don't have an account with UBS right now!

This was good thinking on the bail out money thing. See, I keep telling all of you people on here that there is alot of educated and smart people on here wasting their time on nonsense ufo crap when they could be figuring out some of this mess we are in.

Yours truely,

Eye of Eagle

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 07:46 PM

Originally posted by dogg85
For once they should lose the case, wealthy Americans can go and waste money to protect themselves. We are getting screwed by the how the economy is going and tehy but put economy in offshore banks to protect their assets so if the economy fails they will still be rich. they can go and lose the battle, I for one say that they should not be able to even have a court case with this high topic of interest

It has nothing to do with protecting their money from an economic failure, but more to do with hiding money from the IRS. Wealthy people are so burdened with the unfair progressive tax system, they have no choice but to hide assets.
Most wealthy people in America have worked extremely hard to have what they have.
Their only mistake was trusting the Swiss, rather than Banco de Panama.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 07:47 PM
Did my last post get anyones attention?

Eye of Eagle

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 08:42 PM
reply to post by EYEOFEAGLE

You did. Up until the point that you fingered UFO's as nonsense crap. Frankly I'm much more concerned about some yet to be identified aerial phenomenon the has the ability to shut down minutemen missiles than I am with rich peoples dirty laundry.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:38 PM
If this goes through, all our privacy will cease to exist. I may not like the wealthy doing unscrupulous things but nothing good can come from this. If they crack the Swiss Banks on privacy then this web site is as good as shut down. We will be next!

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:54 PM
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

They are bottom feeders and no amount of wealth will ever change that.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 10:15 PM
While I am excited somewhat by this story, I doubt if it will gain too much ground.

The reason I say this is because of the way our Government is actively pursuing the bailout route.

I can think of just a few options here. 1) The Government sweeps this under the rug because of National Security issues (imagine the backlash if the American Joe found out that all of that bailout cash was funnelled into off-shore accounts by bankers trying to extort the American public and avoid tax liability... Revolution by morning.)
2) The Government pursues charges against the culprits and throws them UNDER the jail. Nothing else would suffice or we would still see the revolt.

I am more inclined to expect the former. However, there would be one upside to the latter - That would be a scapegoat for the Gov to stop destroying our economy and would restore some gesture of faith...

Then the Government will have redeemed themselves in the eyes of the Public and kept whatever profit margin they didn't disclose in the Scheme.

I don't know. This is an interesting story!

S&F DD. Dude, you bring a lot of good material here! Keep up the great work.

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 10:36 PM
Is anybody here keeping up with the possibly parallel story going on about the Treasury being ordered by a Federal Judge to hand over the bailout records?

This seems very curious to me.

I speculate that this story is an attempt to find out if any of these Bankers who have been known to have spent their Bailout money on Private Jets, Jewelry, Lavish Birthday Parties, etc. etc. are also putting money aside at the USB to avoid accountability, knowing it was written into the clause.
I would bet everything I have that the bankers have done just that.

And now they are being squeezed from both sides.
The Government DOES NOT prosecute itself.
I think the Government may have just pulled a bait and switch on the Banking Elite.

If this news breaks like it appears that it may, and the Government blames the banking system from the top down... The Federal Reserve will be cast down.


[edit on 25-2-2009 by Jay-in-AR]

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

Can you imagine the lawyers trying the case?

"Your honor, my clients put their trust in the Swiss Banking System to protect their freedom from invasions into their privacy"....

Does that speak volumes or what?

Your Hounour, My client refuses to testify on the grounds....
On the grounds it will Incriminate him.

This is real Danny Crane stuff

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:35 PM
Thanks for stealing our money and running away with it so you can become rich!

Sounds so American just to keep suing over things >

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:44 PM
Here's an Email I like to send around. It explains what they know that you don't. The Super Wealthy & THE COMPANY that is:

Thomas Pynchon said: "if they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers."
Our world is in the mess it is in today because most of us have internalized the fine art of asking the wrong questions. Contrary to the thinking that would have us believe that the conflict, violence, tyranny, and destructiveness that permeates modern society is the result of "bad" or "hateful" people, disparities in wealth, or lack of education, all of our social problems are the direct consequence of a general failure to respect the inviolability of one another’s property interests!
I begin with the question: "do you own yourself?" Most eagerly nod their heads in the affirmative, until I warn them that, by the time we finish examining this question, they will find their answer most troubling, whatever it may be today. "If you do own yourself, then why do you allow the State to control your life and other property interests? And if you answer that you do not own yourself, then what possible objection can you raise to anything that the state may do to you?" We then proceed to an examination of the case of Dred Scott v. Sandford.
The question of whether Dred Scott was a self-owning individual, or the property of another, is the same question at the core of the debate on abortion. Is the fetus a self-owning person, or an extension of the property boundaries of the mother? And, if the mother is the property of the State, and the State a property of another entity, and that entity the property of an individual or individuals, then, is the fetus the property of that individual or individuals, in most cases, who own the TRUSTEE CORPORATION named GOD? By associating God with the Corporate entity of the same name, aren't they ajoindered, just as your given name is ajoindered to your corporate Identity? Isn't all oaths and affirmations, made under penalty of Perjury, "so help me GOD" the recognition of the Corporate entity named GOD possessing Title to the Property so Oathing or Affirming? Isn't GOD or the State, or the Crown, as Title holder, the only one legally able to order the destruction of said property, using other said properties, as, it is legally presumed that a property owner would never willfully destroy their own property without good cause, hence the authority for all the violence against property rights of others, including the others directly, in the name of GOD or State? The same property analysis can be used to distinguish "victimizing" from "victimless" crimes: murder, rape, arson, burglary, battery, theft, and the like, are victimizing crimes because someone’s property boundaries were violated. In a victimless crime, by contrast, no trespass to a property interest occurs. If one pursues the substance of the "issues" that make up political and legal debates today, one always finds a property question at stake: is person "x" entitled to make decisions over what is his, or will the state restrain his decision-making in some way? Regulating what people can and cannot put into their bodies, or how they are to conduct their business or social activities, or how they are to educate their children, are all centered around property questions.
"Property" is not simply some social invention, like Emily Post’s guide to etiquette, but a way of describing conditions that are essential to all living things. Every living thing must occupy space and consume and create energy from outside and within itself if it is to survive or be deemed live, and it must do so to the inclusion and exclusion of all other living things on the planet.Life and Decay (erroneously labeled death, which is a state of being more so than a condition, as decay is the process which leads the decayed thing to cycle and become live again in a multitude of ways, and, always changing, chemically, is not dead but, live in the process of live conversion to another live form. You decay and become a nutrient, passing your rna into a blade of grass, combining with the rna of the soil and grass you become, joining with the rna of the cattle that eats you, then, joining the rna of the being that eats the cattle. Planaria worm experiments prove how the unknown, but, described rna transfers memory. The worm is not alone, all life has rna in it's dna. All life is property under law. Canon Law, or, Divine Law, such as the Christian Canon which founded this country is a legal document drafted by clerical lawyers, wherein the Corporate entity known as GOD or LORD or LORD GOD, YHWH, etc. declared all life the property of Man, and all Man the property of GOD. You "voluntarily" consent to this contract Law, this Canon Law, each time you hold to be prima facie evidence (self- evident) that GOD is your creator and that you, although, ficticiously, you did, di not create Him, Her, or It. I didn’t dream this up. My thinking was not consulted before the life system developed. The world was operating on the property principle when I arrived on my legal day of birth, although, I understand, I am neither born or die, that I am eternal, however, as many Corporate entities and their vessels are stuck in delusions, I will digress, and, like the rest of us, I had to work out my answers to that most fundamental, pragmatic of all social questions: who gets to make decisions about what?Which answers I have known since property began, but, which time erases for a time, The essence of "ownership" is to be found in control: who gets to be the ultimate decision maker about people and "things" in the world? This ownership can legally be found in the statement I AM THAT I AM. Just as I AM THAT I AM, the major religions source of life claim ownership in such like manner. The GOD of the CORPORATION Named, BRHM, made by adding H to BRM, that is, ABRAM, IBRI, IBRIM, ABRAHAM, IBRIHIM, IBRAM, IBRIHAM, AHAM, BRAHMIN, AHAM BRAHAMIN, etc. conveys and possesses such Titles. God of Abraham, the person, declares to tell the Sovereign, I AM THAT I AM. That did not mean that GOD was claiming that legal position, it means he was conferring it to Abraham, who tells the Sovereign, I AM THAT I AM, thereby declaring himself owner of himself and all Hebrew property under the Hebrew GOD, in keeping with the property laws under Hammurabi's Code. In Asia, as in Abraham's Europe, we see this continued, in the Buddism, where the Nirvana, or state of ultimate being, the state of Oneness with God, the state of being the One (as in Matrix, the movie, LOL) is considered like this. GOD is the Collective ALL in ALL, it is a State of being or possession known as BRAHMA, or BRAHMIN, the State of Oneness, is called AHAM BRAHAMIN (literally means, I AM BRAHMA, or, more precisely, I AM THAT I AM).
Observe the rest of nature: trees, birds, fish, plants, other mammals, bacteria, all stake out claims to space and sources of energy in the world, and will defend such claims against intruders, particularly members of their own species. This is not because they are mean-spirited or uncooperative: quite the contrary, many of us have discovered that cooperation is a great way of increasing the availability of the energy we need to live well. We have found out that, if we will respect the property claims of one another and work together, each of us can enjoy more property in our lives than if we try to function independently of one another. Such a discovery has permitted us to create economic political, religious, military, industrial, and a host of other, systems. You can not actually own anything, that is a State of mind, translated as a State of being or possession, in that you are being possessed by a notion.
There is no way that I could have produced, by myself, the computer upon which I am writing this article. Had I devoted my entire life to the undertaking, I would have been unable even to have conceived of its technology. Many other men and women, equally unable to have undertaken the task by themselves, cooperated – without even knowing one another – in its creation. Lest you think that my writing would have to have been accomplished through the use of a pencil, think again: I would also have been unable to produce a pencil on my own, as Leonard Read once illustrated in a wonderful, brief essay. These are the ideologies you are sold in order that the system can function, in truth, their creation did not wait for the systems to be produced to exist, and the system did not wait on their production to exist.
Such cooperative undertakings have been possible because of a a "noble" lie sold as a truth – acknowledged by students of marketplace economic systems, particularly the Austrians – about human nature: each of us acts only in anticipation of being better off afterwards as a result of our actions. When in truth we act because we exist. Toward whatever ends we choose to act – and such ends are constantly rearranging their priorities within us – their satisfaction is always expressed in terms inextricably tied to decision making over something one owns (or seeks to own). Whether I wish to acquire some item of wealth, or to give it away; whether I choose to write some great novel or paint some wondrous work of art; or whether I just wish to lie around and look at flowers, each such act is premised on the fact that we cannot act in the world without doing so through property interests. It is in anticipation of being able to more fully express our sense of what is important to us, both materially and spiritually, that we cooperate with one another. Such things we are conditioned, from cradle to grave, to believe. However, these systems are not the reason why we do as we do. They are merely there for the many to be in the control of the few.
And to what end? Assume that 100% of the population were in 100% control of the minority, and that the majority acted without question to the will of the few. And assume that 100% of their successive generations comply the same, without question. Assume the minority are granted or achieve 100% absolute and total control of every aspect, and that the majority will perform 100% to the satisfaction of the minority, and the minority will act 100% to the satisfaction of the majority. What then is the ultimate goal of these systems? Is it the struggle for the condition I described? Can such condition never be achieved? If it can, what is the purpose of such condition, can they show us what they expect of their "property" that we would know what we are expected to achieve? If not, what will they achieve? To say the system isn't perfect, is to stifle rational discussion with swear words issued in frustration for want of any real and rational response. Some people are the host and some are the parasite. If you keep the systems, you will always struggle to balance the industrious from the parasite. And the parasite will endeavor to cast the illusion that they are more industrious than they really are. Who drains an economy more? A handful of unemployed and lazy people, or a whole class of idle men who talk in circles for a living? Without the systems, these circle talkers and for Church and State say all would be anarchy. Yet, the wild nature has no such systems, are they to be considered disorded chaos as well? No, in truth, man is a wild animal, nature will balance man with man and his environment. It is comforts and entertainments (luxuries) which keep you in disillusion of your bondage. If you believe you have it well, you will submit, saying it's not perfect, but, it will do. You believe without it, it would be worse. In truth, without it you stand an equal chance on par with all wild creatures, while with it, not only does the wild nature pose a risk, even the tiniest of spiders can crawl in your bed as you sleep and poison you to death, but also, your comfort will pave the way to a future docile generation. Each generation tendered more docile than the next. The ultimate result is an imbalance between parasite and host, resulting in a feeding frenzy, unchecked, on your future generations. But, what care you about your grand children, or generations you will never meet?
So, how did the Guardians of the "noble" lie fail to guard the system? To answer that you must first know what the "noble" lie was. Property Ownership. By creating a ficticious legal world based on the real one and running them concurrent of one another, the imaginary system, unregulated, is collapsing, and because it is married to our real world systems, it is collapsing the reality with it. If you create a Corporation based on a real live person (or even a dead one) and you use it to borrow imaginary credit and become indebtedted to imaginary interest and debt, then the only way your real world record keeping for the imaginary world you live in can balance itself, is if you either, just erase the numbers, or, kill the real property it represents. Guess which one they choose time and again? Here's why. The imaginary La La land is based on real people. For each person, imaginary money is issued and Titles of Property are passed around. So, real people are property in the real world based on the imaginary one. All that you really are and do is owned and invested, bought and sold by people you've never met. The fact that you live your real life under the rules and systems of their imaginary game gives your consent to play. Now, you ask yourself, why would they want to kill people if they make money off of us? Well, look at sterilization, out of wed lock births, war, and all the other systems to kill people or prevent births (abortion, etc.). It is very telling of such population growth and reduction that if the Monopoly players generate, too much property, that is, if too many people are born, the same thing happens in the system as you see when you print more money than real resouces to back it. The rising and falling dollar, is just incresing and decreasing the rate of debt that can be transferred. It becomes useless to have too much. You have to eliminate the abundant resource to make it valuable. Look at diamonds, there have been so much diamonds mined that glass is rarer than diamonds, by far. they may look abundant, but, vast sections of the world don't have any. It's easy to make, but, being so little made it is rare. Why then is it far cheaper than a diamond? Because the diamonds are hoarded, stored, distribution is minimal and controlled, higher grades being released even less, and made more valuable. This would be an easy way to deal with people, so wars create holding facilities for people, (ie, prisoners of war) and keep them occupied, destroying property (buildings, churches, factories, people, etc.) meanwhile, they are producing nothing themselves, that and the war profiteers make money on top of it, so war is profitable. However, too much destruction, raises the value through the roof. So, you end up with a sluggish game in La La land, because everyone becomes wealthy again, they relax to comfort and leave us to our vices, until next they need to eliminate some more property. However, if unchecked, they can eliminate too much property, and in their quest for ownership and control, they give one parasite more power than others, but, it is temporary. With fewer properties available, they are more valuable, but, production and resources become minimal in proportion to the population, hence 5 cents for a stick of gum, versus, almost a dollar today.
Keep the system, fine. Destroy Titles of Ownership of people. Otherwise, destroy the system or keep it and live with it. Destroying Title of Ownership of People as property is the only real solution. Sure, you can give the Title to the People they are based on and let them have self ownership, but, that gives way to more transferrence issues in the future. Just abolish the Ownership of People outright. Will people do this? I have absolutely no faith in my fellow man, so, no. You will all, as usual, prove me right and leave me saying I told you so. So, I'll say it now, "I TOLD YOU SO!" And for that, I really do hate you all.
"Property" also provides a means for maximizing both individual liberty and peace in society. Political Liberty means being free of outside politics, or politics period. Few, except Communist's and Socialist's enjoy this. Civil Liberty is what we all pursue, but, never really have. As long as you are property, you don't have the right to Liberty, etc. it becomes merely a privelage doled out to you for compliance, and revoked for non compliance. Think you own anything? Stop paying the taxes. And, stop paying with debt money, pay with real money or actual resources, than Get an Allodial Title of Ownership, not a Deed from a Trustee Corporation such as the Trustee Corporation named GOD ("In GOD WE TRUST'). We being We the People and all the other legal Titles they give a Citizen Corporation. For once we identify who the owner of some item of property is, that person’s will is inviolate as to such property interest. He or she can do what they choose with respect to what is theirs. If I own a barn, I can set fire to it should I so choose. If I must first get another’s permission, or they consent through silence or inaction to enforce, such other person is the owner. Individual liberty means that my decision making is immune from the coercion of others, and coercion is always expressed in terms of property trespasses.
At the same time, the property principle limits the scope of my decision making by confining it to that which is mine to control. This is why problems such as industrial "pollution" are usually misconceived, reflecting the truth of Pynchon’s earlier quote. A factory owner who fails to confine the unwanted byproducts of his activities to his own land, is not behaving as a property owner, but as a trespasser. Economists have an apt phrase for this: socializing the costs. He is behaving like any other collectivist, choosing to extend his decision making over the property of others!
But, as all property is collectively Owned and only deeded to the Property Owner (misnomer) they have trespassed who? They were deeded by the Owner, and the Owner collectively Own's all the properties through the Industrial Banking Cartel, so, whom has the Owner trespassed? The Owner? When people are a burden on taxpayers, even though no one has any real money, and taxes are collected by non national foreign entities and agents for the collection and transferrence to a non national foreign bank who loans it to your nation at interest, thereby paying debt with debt to be collected by entities and individuals who are themselves paid and spend in debt and transfer that debt to a bank who reloans the debt back to the source at an interest that pays in more debt. Then, Debt is enormous and growing every day. It is impossible to make it go away. And all the Gold? It is owned by the bank. We have no Gold. What you see is more entertainment. One room in say, Fort Knox has gold. All the vaults are bare of US Gold, it possesses foreign hypothecated treasure at best. Then, after the show the room or rooms filled with gold for the tour are sent back to the owner, or, held there on their behalf, the US itself, has no Gold. It is not their property. So, what burden on tax paying Society are such people placing exactly? They have merely done what others should have long ago, they quit playing the game. They are not burdens. they are Heroes. Because most will never see this, the system will continue to grow the debt monster in the room, and it will swell so large that it will collapse the roof and walls and fall through the floor. And to restore it. The call to Fuze or to Fusion will be issued drumming up disenfranchisement and revolution and fear and anxiety around the Globe, the expectaion being to yet again, induce people to kill each other off to save the Game.
People are aware that they live in a false reality, and anymore they know why. They could revise history, but, they couldn't strangle oral tradition. What we have is a society today that has vastly become aware, Globally. that everything we know is a lie, that all we have believed in is a lie, that our ancestors were lied to, that they in turn helped lie to their children, because they were telling lies and did not know it. And so it was our great grandparents were lied to, our grandparents were lied to, our parents were lied to, we were lied to, we are lied to still. Is the ability of our generation to be able to process so much information bombarding our senses all at once vs our predecessors a sign of increased intellect? No. We are the culmination of generational deceit. We believe nothing and no one. We play the game for appearance sake alone. We have no faith or belief in it, and find utmost boredom and contempt for it's rigidity. Hence, so much problems with old world logic and authority. We are not fond of being told we are Soveriegns but are deceived into Bondage through Birth Certificates, Securities,Bond, etc., issues. The Game has run it's course. We know why we are being made to fight each other, from Afghanistan to the Border, to the InnerCity. We know. And, that knowledge is being propogated like a seed in the wind, a wildfire of awakening is taking place. You call us crazy and mental, but, are we?
We have been overworked, overtaxed, over indoctrinated, overeducated, over exposed to radio, tv, print, internet, real world interactions, phones, cables, over drugged, overdiagnosed, over desensitized to all mannor of offenses. We have lost our care, our concern, our hope, our faith, our beliefs. We have lost our illusions and we see the Man behind the curtain still trying to talk into the mike. We are the Children of OZ. We know that we can't wake up our grandparents or parents, though, even they are waking up, but, most, not near the level we have, we were waking up even before the Interet, We are not waking up and rubbing our eyes, we are awake. And we are beyond pissed, we are not in denial, that was our ancestors, we are not bargaining, that's what the older generations are doing now, we are not angry, you have overdone us too much for that, since, most nothing shocks us, we aren't in acceptance, because, it is unacceptable. You, and, you know who you are, duped to play your part or just deliberate actors, have used our very core beliefs and principles against us. Holding to them means submitting to your design, rebuking them means becoming everything we despise, which is You. Our generation is the first dominoe to fall. Each successive generation will grow in waves of dissent to your Game. Our parents and grandparents and ancestors were lied to, but, now, the lie has run it's course, we know know that you are creating fictional characters and ajoindering us to them. We are awake. And, we cannot be put back in the bottle anymore than a genie or nuclear technology. The parasite's should tremble for their children, and be ashamed that they have disgraced all that their ancestors and the geniuses which came before them have built that which their heirs have destroyed.
Any one who owns my Title of Ownership, be it GOD or Man, beware, if I ever learn your name, your life is forfeit. Premeditated. O! Yes. Very much so.
You have turned trust and TRUST, interest and INTEREST, cooperation and COOPERATION, God and GOD, my name and MY NAME, appear and APPEAR, security and SECURITY, volunteer and volunteer, and turned things like the Social Insurance (or Security) Number [SIN], etc., etc., etc. into a mockery.
Not all of us choose to pursue our self-interests through cooperation with others. Cooperation can exist only when our relationships with others are on a voluntary basis which, in turn, requires a mutual respect for the inviolability of one another’s property boundaries. Those who seek to advance their interests in non-cooperative ways, create another system: politics. If you can manage to drag your mind away from the drivel placed there by your high school civics class teacher, and look at political systems in terms of what they in fact do, you will discover this: every such system is founded upon a disrespect for privately owned property! All political systems are collectivist in nature, for each presumes a rightful authority to violate the will – including confiscation – of property owners. One can no more conceive of "politics" without "theft" than of "war" without "violence." This is by obtaining voluntary consent and cooperation or CORPORATION or INCORPORATION with words and ideas expressed through the pen and tongue of Lucifer himself. (Corporeal being, In the body). You don't jail us, never have, you jail our Entity, as the vessel we must carry out the sentence with it, since you can't very well incarcerate an idea.
Every political system is defined in terms of how property is to be controlled in a given society. In communist systems, the State confiscates all the means of production. In less-ambitious socialist systems, the state confiscates the more important means of production (e.g., railroads, communications, steel mills, etc.). Under fascism, "title" to property remains in private hands, but "control" over such property is exercised by the state. Thus, fascism has given us state regulatory systems, in which property owners – be they farmers, homeowners, or businesses – have the illusion of owning what they believe to be "theirs," while the state increasingly exercises the real ownership authority (i.e., control). In welfare state systems, the state confiscates part of the income of individuals and redistributes it to others. We live in an admixture of these. When Obama's speeches are held as a tour de force (a show of Power) that's because that's precisely what he is doing. Most times true wealth is stolen, while debt notes are the wealth given. It has the appearance of value where there is in fact none. The wealthier you are, the more debt you owe, and how do you repay it if not with more debt notes.
And, who makes and issues all those debt notes? The very Banking Cartels that own and possess all the real Capital and who are hypothecated, Perpetually (forever) all the resouces and assets and property (Natural Resources, Intellectual Property and Physical Properties, including the People property) of the borrower. That is how you place debt on us and our children and their children, you sell them into perpetual slavery. In a KY STate Regulation alone it is stated, mind you it follows rules of construction as per Civil Code and State requirements of Law that it must be "a statement of fact and not a touchy feel good statement," and it is not alone all US Laws and Stae LAws have this, that, "children are among the State's most valuable Natural Reources." That's along with babies and adults, and also, coal, uranium, fish and game, etc. The US publishes Deficits (debt) in public budget reports, while actually having multi trillion dollar surpluses (positive cash flow) in liquid asset investments, as per the Congressional Annual Report on Finances (CARF) prepared for the UNO as they are the Trustees of our bankruptcy. Based on what are these surplus investments made, if they are bankrupt with no real capital? With deals made with our Birth Certificates. That is, they get wealthy on us while leaving us all the bills. Which is interesting since they are not making any real wealth but, borrowing more debt, incurring even more debt to do it, while buying foreign debt in form of foreign debt note currencies and instruments, as all the World is truly now bankrupt.
As stated earlier, property is an existential fact. Whatever the society in which we live, someone will make determinations as to who will live where, what resources can be consumed by whom (and when), and how such property will be controlled. Such decisions can either be made by individual property owners – over what is theirs to control – or by the State presuming the authority to control the lives of each of us. When such decisions are made by the State, it is claiming ownership over our lives.
It is at this point that I let you in on the secret the political establishment would prefer not to have revealed: the 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution did not end slavery but only nationalized it! Hereby abolished, "except in cases of Crime," we owe debt in our CORPORATE identities in excess of $5, 000, making us felons, by proxy, each and all, if we Incorporate by signing any document that lets them ajoinder us to our Corporate ficticious creation counterparts, which is why, your, legal, medical, utility, and even your phone bill, etc. are in all capital letters (Capitas or Capitus Diminutio Minima - Media - Maxima) which are created at our birth (ever wonder why you have to submit an application for a Copy of your certificate of Birth, and cannot possess the Original?) That most Americans acquiesce in such political arrangements, and take great offense should anyone dare to explain their implications, has led me to the conclusion that America may be the last of the collectivist societies to wither away. Most Americans, sad to say, seem unprepared to deny the State’s authority to direct their lives and property as political officials see fit. The reason for this is that most of us refuse to insist upon self-ownership.
Gage Canadian Dictionary 1983 Sec. 4 defines
Capitalize adj. as. "To take advantage of - To use to ones
own advantage."
Blacks Law Dictionary • Revised 4th Edition 1968,
provides a more comprehensive definition as follows .
Capitis Diminutio (meaning the diminishing of status
through the use of capitalization) In Roman law. A
diminishing or abridgment of personality; a loss or
curtailment of a man's status or aggregate of legal
attributes and qualifications.

[That is why the right to bear arms exist's even to the CORPORATE Entity created in your name, unless you commit a crime, oh wait, your CORPORATE ENTITY, owes over $5, 000 dollars, so, you are actully, by being taken advantage of through Capital letters, and answering to that name when it's called, believing it is you they are calling, believing that you are that part of you which answers when you hear your name called from across a crowded room, which in cases of ajoindering, you are not, or else you are adjoindered and then yes you are, when you are merely a vessel, a ship at sea, which cannot be touched until you are captured or grounded through treachery, which means that you exist under Maritime and Commercial Law, while CORPORATIONS know as CITIZEN"S, etc. exist under Justinian and Roman Law, etc. thus able to enforce their CODES, which you mistake for Law as you know Law to be, upon you, are not allowed the right to bear arms, it is a privelage maintained to keep the illusion of the false reality you live in. When media speaks of politics, they are speaking of the real reality you live in, couched in terms of your false reality using dual meaning's, so that even if they told the truth, either way, you would never know which, ever. As Clinton says, "That depends on what your definition of "is" is.." Or why Rod Blagoyavich can be removed from office for making to make a deal over the existing Senate seat, while Obama can create one for UTAH, in a deal to create one for Washington, while redistricting the UTAH seat later, to a democratic district. Congress has no authority to pass a Bill, they have been in SINE DIE, since the Civil War. The President through the District of Colombia controls all the Districts, the States exist only on paper, but, that paper clearly defines that they have no Sovereignty. The Constitution has not been shredded, it has never bean read right, and now, we are paying for it.]

Capitis Diminutio Minima (meaning a minimum loss
of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. John
Doe) - The lowest or least comprehensive degree of loss
of status. This occurred where a man's family relations
alone were changed. It happened upon the arrogation
[pride] of a person who had been his own master, (sui
juris,) [of his own right, not under any legal disability] or
upon the emancipation of one who had been under the
patria potestas. [Parental authority] It left the rights of
liberty and citizenship unaltered. See Inst. 1, 16, pr.; 1, 2,
3; Dig. 4, 5, 11; Mackeld. Rom.Law, 144.

Capitis Diminutio Media (meaning a medium loss of
status through the use of capitalization, e.g. John
DOE) - A lessor or medium loss of status. This occurred
where a man loses his rights of citizenship, but without
losing his liberty. It carried away also the family rights.

Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss
of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN
DOE or DOE JOHN) - The highest or most
comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man's
condition was changed from one of freedom to one of
bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it
all rights of citizenship and all family rights.
Diminutio. Lat. In civil law. Diminution; a taking away;
loss or depravation.
Capite. - Lat. By the head.

As Black's Law Dictionary explains, the full capitalization of the letters of one's
natural name, results in a diminishing or complete loss of legal or citizenship
status, wherein one actually becomes a slave or an item of inventory.

[Where the head goes the body will follow. Capture their mind and you won't have to fire a single bullet. Expose their treachery, and they can't fire their bullets without breaking the Law. Hence, in the Movie, the Matrix, Neo (named for my order the Neo Tech, not as bogus and hoaky as it sounds now is it, and their public teachings of the Matrix) Neo, the Technician, holds up his hand and the bullets, freeze in midair. Neo: "I can dodge bullets?" Morpheus: "You won't have to." If you become the One (the sui juris) then you enter a State of Sovereignty on par with the LORD. None may shoot at the Sovereign and not find the System Crash.]

We may, of course, choose to accept our role as State-owned chattels, particularly if we are well-treated by our masters. We may be so conditioned in our obeisance that, like cattle entering the slaughterhouse, we may pause to lick the hand of the butcher out of gratitude for having been well cared for. On the other hand, we may decide to reclaim our self-ownership by taking back the control over our lives that we have long since abandoned.
Perhaps the insanity of our social destructiveness – including the Bush Administration’s deranged declaration of a permanent war against the rest of the world – will bring about an examination of alternative ways of living together in conditions of peace and liberty (political and civil, etc.). Our political systems cannot bring about such harmonious and life-sustaining ways because they are premised on a rejection of the principle of self-ownership. In a society of self-owning individuals, there would be no place for politicians, bureaucrats, and other state functionaries. Like the rest of us, they would have to confine their lives to minding their own business, and deriving whatever benefit they could from persons who chose to cooperate with them.
There is one person who can restore you to a state of self-ownership, however, and that person is you. To do so, you need only assert your claim, not as some empty gesture, but in full understanding of the existential meaning of such a claim, including the willingness to take full control of and responsibility for your life. While your claim will likely evoke cries of contempt from many, you may also find yourself energized by a life force that permeates all of nature; an élan vital that reminds us that life manifests itself only through individuals, and not as collective monstrosities; that life belongs to the living, not to the State or any other abstraction.

When they beat the drums to war, do not become frenzied and closed minded as an animal. As a human being, lift the veil and see the real world, find that every word they entertain you with has nothing to do with the system they sold you. It is on behalf of the system I have attempted to reveal to you. Stop thinking in terms of tax dollars and of putting burdens on future generations. Stand up and shirk off slavery, then taxes will reveal themselves for the false money they are, credit will be replaced with the word debt in all it's uses, and debt will be seen as credit towards more debt, money will be replaced with the words IOU, and cash and the like will be seen the same. And money backed by real assets will be seen as nonexistant. And capital will be seen as a horde guarded by a Dragon, that all we get are IOU's in multiples of actual treasure amounts, That when police use your personal property such as house or vehicle to search your house or vehicle, that you are the house or vehicle being searched, as you house and transport the ficticious entity they have attached to you. That State is a condition of mind adjoindered to a physical marcation or boundary. That GOD is a Landlord Tenant relationship under Law, not the Creator created aspect you are sold in religion. Not that these things aren't real, they are so manipulated that there is no way to seperate them, real or imagined. And that only the One who can figure that out will have control not only in the Matrix of fabricated Laws, but also in the Real World of Laws, and that ultimately, he can halt the very machinations and reprogram the very Prime CODES on which they are based. The fact that I cannot open your eyes and wake you up is proof, that Zion (those who are awake and can control the Matrix and the real world) will be outcast by the Agents, that is, that each Agent represents various machinations of the Matrix of Systems, that mastery over these agents is mastery over the machinations. The One, will simply Control the CONtroller and free the CONtrolled. And even the Guardians, the Gate Keepers, the Media (Oracles), the Key Masters, etc. Are tired. And, the GRAND ARCHITECT (who did you really thing was the true power of Washington? The White House Architect of course.) needs Neo, as it were, because, by observing NEO, and all the many NEOS who follow in his step, he can find the Anomolies, the weakness in the System. He needs Neo to return back to fantasy land, taking with him all the ways that have been revealed to, or discovered by, him to beat the system, or, he will get all the others who are awake destroyed. If he doesn't, the whole System will crash and all will be left without Structure, and will never allow another Structure to exist. CoExistance, seems to be the only solution. The Architect will use what has been discovered as an opportunity to seal these loopholes and perfect the System. the Neo will look for ways to keep the System as well, but, to hand it completely over to the individual. So, all want the Matrix system, it comes down to Group vs. Individual Control, just one wants to cast aside the false reality and set people back to freemen, the other despite the false reality or not, wants to retain Control of the masses. Protect the Individual you protect the Group, Protect the Group you injure the Individual. Which door would you choose? Return to the Source and let the Group live and therefore the blind masses can live in relative delirium and harmony, unaware that they will be slaughtered to balance the books and feed the taste's of the cannibal rich? Or, return to the Matrix, ensure the victory of the few who can defeat the Matrix, thus killing the masses of ficticious Entities against the wishes of those who want the dream so they don't have to have something they've never known before, personal responsability and accountability to their fellow man, and the awakened and yourself in the process when it all falls down? Or, do you have a balance of both, so that all live? Doesn't that make you the Guardian of a Noble Lie? Yes. And you cannot say that the Machinations made you do it. The Architect knows this. That is why he does not interfere. They are prepared for the rebuild, and are prepared to accept that all may not survive, real or ficticious, because the odds are good, due to the principles and values buried in the core that you will favor survival of man over their extinction, real or imagined. You may believe such things as the AntiChrist and the Beast are evil, this is because they are evil to the System, they expose the weakness and make it seem as something fearful, to them maybe, to you, no. It would be exactly what needs to take place. If the Kings of Earth, the minority elites, bow to the One, then the One can free you or enslave you. They pretend he would lead to war. No, once all the peace through self- ownership, or, no ownership, has been shown to work, the Architect will impliment war, as they always do, just to undermine it so they can point and say, see it doesn't work, then use their age old technology and mind tricks, to bring forth GOD or ALLAH.
Not that this is entirely the case. The point is that we are the product of Generational lying and deceit. Would you really know God if you saw him? Would you really know whether you are dead or not? With all the drugs, technology, multiple sides to every single word and letter spoken or transcribed, medicines, surgery's, would you really know whether it was God, or an Alien, or a Man, or of the Natural World, or created out of your own failing mind? If it had the power to destroy the Universe, while you were in immense fear and pain, not that you would care, you'd submit to a false God at that point if it would just not kill or hurt you or those you care for, but, that aside, is your faith in your world after Generation after Generation, eon after eon of lie after lie after lie, told as truth after truth after truth, would you really have the ability to say you would really know whether it was the real deal or fake? Would you honestly believe it was anything but fear that made you submit to a possibly false God, and what would the real one think of it? Is there a real One? Is it just more lies? Doesn't it seem more likely that State derives it's powers from Church and not the Other way around. Only through the mind can you own the soul, after that, the body can be controlled or, if it fails, beaten into submission, either way, you have to control the mind to control the body. Hence, political "body".And, how can you be certain, considering that GOD is also a legal entity, having nothing to do with the real deal, that Athiests like me have not created and used your BIBLE as a Legal Document to give you Legal Notice and obtain your Legal Consent, while tailoring the Laws to it's verses so that, publically it is a Good, though not a perfect System, and in reality, you are subjected to the most vile and evil perversions of Law there is because, the BIBLE was used to indoctrinate and fool you, because it is real and made up all at once.
Generational Deciet runs it's course when truth is lie and lie is truth but truth is lie. GOD IS TRUTH, IN GOD WE TRUST. To beat the system you would have to not agree with those statements. Because you do, you are joindered under Law. And the LORD GOD Corporation, an actual Entity under Law, based on the lord god, owns all Titles of Ownership. And who is GOD's Representative? Who else holds out, and is mass supported, to be the mouthpeice of GOD, besides the Pope? All the Divine royalty, all the Prophets of the Church, etc.
What will happen when we stop playing the Game, when we don't divide and turn on each other to balance their books? What happens when we take Self- Ownership and contracts to the Contrary be damned, or, dissolve Human Property Ownership Rights, period? This Generation, probably not, most of our parents lived in denial, and truth is hard for many to accept, whereas our generation and those that follow, well, we are not our ancestors. We see right through them. We're not as easy to puppet as our generations before us. That we seem to be has and has for generations, always been, because, every one is an agent of the system (remember the Matrix lesson about the woman in the red dress) Neo, is an agent, a quasi Agent (remember how agent Smith became one with Neo then they split as equal halves of themselves and the other?) That is because the Architect allowed it. He needed the Agent to adapt to the Laws as Neo had, and he needed to let Neo be as the Agent to observe the weakness in the System. A dangerous Game for both within the Game itself. Hence, political parties, and seperate forms of Government slowly integrating, secretly into one. It is a staged perfection of the System by risking it's potential collapse, narrowing the risk to "A calculatable risk," according to the Architect. Now, while you may ask what Entertainment Movies have to do with reality, watch the Entertainment Mainstream and Alternative news sources again. That I am able to write and send this is proof that I am being allowed to do so in an observation by the powers that be to see where it leads. Like a Veloceraptor in Jurassic Park testing the Cage for weaknesses. It is a controlled cage in a confined park, designed by the Scientists, off the Island, to guage the results, to build a better mousetrap. Was Patrick Henry talking about his Constituents or the People Governed when he said, "I smell a rat." He was after all the Co Framer of the mousetrap, so, he knew exactly what he was building. He condemned it, yet, did not reveal it, so, by doing that, he was setting the Game of Cat and Mouse, Tit for Tat, The Shepard's Common, etc. into motion.
If it's all a State. A State of being. A State of Possession. A State of Mind. Then I State that I AM STATE. Well, I speak for myself, I speak for God, the Non Corporate or Corporeal Individual/ Entity. I AM the LORD GOD, the Angel Drago. My true name no man or God or CORPORATION can pronounce and no Law can encompass. And I pour forth the oil upon the Earth.-- PMP % tt IOI
You were blind, now you see. Hallellujah! It's a miracle. Oh! And , as always, I will provide evidence that I speak for the LORD when you prove to me that the LORD BE FIRST SERVED. I AM THAT I AM. Thus sayeth, the Lord.
Seriously though, all kidding aside. This is not a movement. I am not an activist or a preacher, or anything else. This is just what I see in the World. And, if I can see this, what more does the common non intelligent mind see? And if the commoners, thousand's of whom I have been connected through throughout the ages of my life all see this as so, how long before they place their finger on it. How can you say trust when it has two clearly opposite meanings? How can you say Lord God or Nature when they have such legal implications. How can you create a World of lies and be shocked when the Generations Wake up and grow bored of it all. How much more bored of it can we get? Our bombartment of senses and ability to keep pace with it in stride, and to still be bored and see the repetition of it all. We are fast becoming so bored, we can't be fooled by it. If you took all the communication away, we would turn on you like a wild dog. If you destroy us, there is no one to labour to keep the System going. We are tired of fighting Propoganda wars. We are starting to ignore you all. That is not because of Voluntary consent anymore, it is because, we are just waiting for it to do it's annual falling thing, and, instead of turning on each other, we are just going to walk away from it and start own own, with clear defined letters and words. We know the Constitution is just a trick to lure us into Commercial Law. We are going to Communize, just not for the reasons Communists and elitists would like. Their days are numbered, we will simply ignore them out of existance. And soon, out of mind out of body.
That's where I see it all going. I won't make an enemy of anybody I am told to. And, people are fast tired of being told who their enemy is. Knowing that whoever says it, is the bad guy. We will simply do away with Ownership and Property Rights, completely. We'll use the credit system but write down whatever we feel like because it doesn't matter anyways. We'll become idle and put the idle to work. Who knows what will take place, but, APATHY is the result of Generational Deceit. When you don't know whether A Cop is a Murderer in stolen or ill gotten uniform's and vehicles, it really happens, then can't you resist out of a logical, precedented, recorded and very well founded fear? Especially, since they are only Corporate Agents acting under Corporate Law for Corporate Entities. Non of which you are legally bound to be a part of. Isn't not resisting a lure to step you into adjoinderment?

Think about these things and Wake up! Quit thinking any politician has control over anything the Congress is SINE DIE and the President has War Power which supercedes Congress, which because of Martial Law (Justinian CODE), is in SINE DIE, expanded by FDR when he transferred all assets and resouces and the People, by way of Bond through the Title of Birth Certificate, given to the Foreign Banking Cartel. Then makes all the Bond trades on us from birth to death every time we are born, arrested, and incorporated. Go to court, you are there in your Entities Name, tell them you will Plead after you see the Appearance or Bid Bond, to verify whether it is you or the Entity in your name sought by the Court. That's why they have the Flag braided by the Gold fringe, the Executive Branch flag in the Juduciary Branch. It's how they can decide Dredd Scott or Roe v. Wade, Property Rights of People vs CORPORATIONS.
Arguing one party over the other is the mark of an Agent of the Traitor. The politicians pass no Legislation of their own design, but, the will of other's above them, they are Sine Die and therefore can really do nothing. The Corporation and the Crown dictate, they, submit, we are painted a picture as though it were debated and portions ceeded, when the end result is merely what was demanded, and all else was heaped upon it, just to create the illusion of reduction and competition in the free market. Raqueetering is a better word for politicing. Instigator and inside cadre is a better word for Media. If they air it or print it, they are part of it. Even Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. Even if they want to tell us what we already know, they, like GOOGLE will downplay the hit's, modify the rating's, bury the coverage, and stifle the freedom to come forward and say look at your world. If you print it it will be challenged on Authenticity, etc. Or even systematically banned and shut down. The only reason I tell you now, is to remind you all that people like you, excepting my friend Rumple, I sent it to him just so he can see what I sent ya'll and he'll just pass it along to others and I and he just pass it along like everything else. Really, it tells most what they already know. I'm just telling you all, because Economist's and so called Alternative Media, seem to be married to Mainstream Media while pretending to be repulsed by them. Informants do that to to place a sting in undercover ops. But, only idiots, and I mean idiots, fall for this, the common man, just plays the Game and passes them along to the dummy. Less idiots in the community what do we care, we have real problems, cheifly, weeding through the fairy tales and hoaky data you guys and gals fabricate for us. Anyways, you all strike me as in the know, but, you come across as clueless, especially the English heritaged and schooled politicians and Media Men like O' Reilly. Glenn Beck seems sincere, but, he's trying to return us to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Knowing, unlike our prior generations, exactly what those papers really say, no, we don't desire a return to them or the illusions of bygone days. We want a completely new Constitution written, composed by people like me. Who doesn't care about any of you liars and deluded souls, who will give the people exactly what you sold them and specifically forbid every single thing you did or said to trick them. That's what We the People want, and King and God be damned, We will have it. That's the truth of where the future is moving. All else are either deliberately trying to suppress it to make people feel alone, or, they are still wrapped up in the illusion, and while they know it is an illusion, they can't quite get their brain to see past it.
I can just hear the new propoganda now, that any material which tells you how to be uncontracted and unjoindered to the CORPORATE Entity will be hailed as a way to give enemies the power to beat Federal Law enforcement, well, under the patriot Act we are all enemies, and the DoD declares all who use the Sea of the Internet as target's and enemies, so, I can easily see the lie to stop printing Law books and Public legal Records, since, Maritime Law and Commercial Codes and Roman Law and Justinian Code and Hammurabi's Law and the Laws and treaties acknowledged and based on the Constitution, etc. are the very Laws you are tried under. We never escaped the rule of England, we ceeded our victory back to him. Let's call Loyalist's and Federalist's what they were, Esquire's. Lawyer's of the Crown, the Legal Arm of Rome, that means Roman and English Laws, we live in an empire run by Lawyers and Bankers. The disguise for the Esquire's of the Crown today is the American Bar Association, the Bar to which all Government makes their vow to serve and protect above all else, which are chartered under the London Lawyer's Guild, at "the City" seat of the Crown Templar's. What do you think Knight Templar's are? They are knighted Esquire's, royal Lawyer's for the Throne of England and the Vatican Pope of Rome. We live in an Imperial Empire guised as Nations and Countries, and Districts, and States, by and through the Law Merchant Creation of CORPORATION, that's cooperation to you.

The Change that is coming is not the change that is planned. It doesn't require structure or leadership. It is so simple it needs nothing. What is it? Read this again. Or, throw it away. What I have told you I have told others, I tell others still, it was told to me and told to others before me, and others tell others. because once you get to this point. Our Will is done. You now see the real world. It will hurt your eyes at first, it'll bake your noodle, but

Never Forget Me

[edit on 26-2-2009 by PhyberDragon]

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:50 PM

Originally posted by stikkinikki
Starred and flagged and heartliy guffawed at. I am going to pray that those names are released regardless of who shows up on the list. Call and Ace and Ace or whatever. This system done broke and now we get to see all the stuff they hid from us.
They already know all my information through their corporate databases.

Actually, they won't. Their Lawyers will simply state that their clients would gladly plead guilty to the facts (whatever facts were cited as basis for the records inquiry at Law) once they see the Appearance or Bid Bonds that must be filed for each case to determine whether it was, john doe, John Doe, John DOE, or, and it is, JOHN DOE being brought before the Court as to their legal records, to verify that it is john doe they seek and not JOHN DOE, a Corporation whom they are not responsible for. If it is a matter of Tort, john doe would like to see the injured party, if it is a CODE violation, the affairs of Corporations are of no concern to john doe.

That's pretty much all I'd say, then leave.

[edit on 25-2-2009 by PhyberDragon]

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:56 PM
reply to post by PhyberDragon

I starred your post because that is a great article.
Now may I ask where to find the article?

I don't want to read the whole excerpt here. It is too hard on my eyes.
That article you posted nearly took up this entire PAGE.

[edit on 25-2-2009 by Jay-in-AR]

posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Nichiren
Too late! UBS has already released the names of 300 clients to the Department of Justice.

Yeah, and with each new Att Gen we see another major bust, they are just outing the competition and taking over their turf, meanwhile our faith in a mock Government is restored, yes, when it comes to the rich and lawyers you can paint them with a broad brush, no exceptions. The colours are Law, Imperialism, and and Traitors to their word. I will also bank that Industrialist's from non royal, aristocratic, english, roman, german, etc. decent are on the list, as though, they were being outed by the upper echelons that, despite their warm smiles, despise them. Did you know that Kerry is a Hunt, Hunt and Bush's are from England, that Pelosi is Clinton's cousin, that many of the politician's are of the decents I described above, that most US President's are related, that I descend from President Monroe (just throwing that in there
), and that we are owned in perpetuity by the Federal reserve's owner's and controller's who are descended of the Holy roman Empire who placed the Roman King on the throne and that the Crown is held in trust by the Vatican, and that the King of England, as the King of france also, funded both sides of the American Revolution, and that the Founding Traitors after victory signed over their winnings to the king and that the King's own Esquire's drafted and signed the Constitution, Bill of Right's etc. to Control by the illusion of Freedom? Study Law and etymology and you will learn all you ever needed to know. Every Country on Earth is under the Umbrella of the Holy Roman Empire through the Federal Reserve and Laws. Just study what the Law says, by first studying the definitions of letter's and word's as interpreted by Law. In Law, all things being equal and reversable, the oldest Laws are more important than the new ones, as they establish historical case law, and modernized law is only a reflection of them through the Act of Precedent.
See through the words and you will see for the first time. Read the Constitution again, escpecially the part about what Laws and Treaties it uphold's, then look again at all the founding documents, look at the Ellis hearings, read the works of Curtis, look at the treaty with the King ending the revolution. Did you know England has the right to use the Mississipi River as it sees fit, since we gave it to them?

[edit on 26-2-2009 by PhyberDragon]

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:13 AM
These arent bailout funds, this is from way before the bailout was a trendy way of doling tax dollars to financiers.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:34 AM

Originally posted by slicobacon
There are many responses on this thread about rich people and lawyers and the rich keeping the common man down and having bailout money. WHEW!

Thats not the important issue in this case. The Justice Department is not trying to right a wrong - they are trying to get their cut. They are investigating these people for tax evasion.

How can anyone think its ok for the US Govt to pry into accounts another country? That is just wrong. No, I'm not rich and I wouldn't even know how to go about getting a Swiss bank account but I'm tired of the govt wanting their cut on every dollar that passes hands.

Actually the IRS and it's agents are controlled by the Secretary of the Treasury for Puerto Rico, Puerto rico is not a US State, it is a District beholden to that little country called Washington, D.C. as a District only. Only through Districting of the Country do they appear to have Jurisdiction in the US, in fact they do not. Let's say the IRS came to raid my house, and they brought any alphabet group they liked and Local, State, Federal law Enforcement, etc. I would not allow them entry, and, if they shot me, my family aided by wealthy freinds would sue them for want of geographic jurisdiction, especially since I am sui jurist (self owned). They Act on behalf of the federal Reserve, a foreign bank, and they are a non US Corporation, if they shot me it would qualify as an InterNational Incident and an Act of War on foreign soil. It would violate so many treaties and Laws it is unreal. Further, if they insinuated that I owed anything I would send them packing to find some ficticious Corporate Entity because this vessel does not carry it. The only reason I have an ID, Birth Certificate, and Social Security Number is because they were forced upon my person by two or more men who went out on the highway of commerce and pirated a ship at sea in violation of Maritime and Commercial Law, while acting under the Colour of common Law to trespass my property and fraud, coerce, duress, etc. an adjoinderment of my person with the ficticious entity. I am not thrilled that it would appear I can never use capital letters again, and find that as a free person, such uses are legal for me to so freely do and in no way can be construed to tie me to the La La Land that theyb live in.

If the Swiss reveal the list it is ironic, since, their bank would be the recipient of the taxes through their central collections bank, and that ultimately goes to the prime bank the Federal reserve, and what international law will protect them? The UNO? The WHO? Geneva COnvention or other treaties? Who, if not the Fed established and bankrolled them, and owns them still. It is Monopoly of the Highest Caliber of treason, yet, everyone harps on the Symptoms, never the cure. Stop with Ownership of People as Property. It's all about Property Law. Study that if nothing else and all your political, legal, and economic woes will vanish as quick as they appeared. They stamp your foot to your certificate Bonding you as a vessel under the Law of the sea (an ink tatto you can have removed) before your foot ever touches land. Then, they deceive you on land to capture. Did you know that if you hold yourself out as a vessel at sea, you are not bound by the Laws of the Land? You are governed by the Laws of the Sea. And ID Theft doesn't bode well under Piracy Laws for them. How do you think they bypass the Constitution and Bill of Rights? They are beholden as a bankrupt nation to overseas creditees, so, they have to apply Admiralty/ Maritime Laws and the Uniform Commercial Code, The Land based Martial Law Justinian and Roman Laws do not apply to you, unless you take on the appearance of the ficticious entity in CAPITAL LETTERS, or Capital LETTERS, or Capital Letters, while capital letters, CAPITAL: LETTERS, and Capital of the family of Letters, is the correct way to sign anything or to have your name recorded as.

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:57 AM

Originally posted by Mercenary2007

So these rich bastards don't want there names released to the federal government. because they know they didn't pay a penny in tax on the money sitting in there accounts.

But yet they will put there names on a lawsuit to keep their names from the federal government. so they don't have to pay the taxes they owe the government plus interest and penalties?

anyone else see the stupidity of the elites on this issue or is it just me?

Actually the Government isn't owed any taxes, study history and Law a little better. As cited above, the Taxes are owed by the Government to the Fed Bank. The IRS works for the Fed Bank, not the Government. They are their Collections agencies, that it appears t be a Government related thing is because they are collecting from the District of Colombia the Corporation Known legally as the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not to be confused with the Confederated Union of States called the UNITED STATES. That the two appear to be the same is because Washington divided the whole Country into Districts, the States of course overlap those districts. But, Land Laws do not apply to the Sea Laws, the air, and current such as radio, tv, phones, internet, etc, as well as the sea of people, all fall under the Law of the Sea. That is the Jurisdiction of the NAVY, which is why our bankruptcy is controlled by the Secretary of Transportation, not the Treasury. The Secretary of the treasury under treaty can not receive pay for his public office because he works as a Governor for the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, to maintain all the assets hypothecated to them in perpetuity (forever) to the Federal Reserve by FDR, who also expanded the War Powers Act to keep Congress, Sine Die (indefinately suspended) and gave the Presidential Office Control of Congress and the Judiciary. That converted us from the Laws we once had and placed us under Justinian and Roman Laws of the Land. The President orders the Law and the Congress must aquiese having no power of it's own in Sine Die. That is where the Authority for Executive Orders comes from which Allow the President to write Law, enforce Law, and avoid Judicial Oversight. The Perpetual War on Terror was a crafty way to keep the System in place forever. FDR also did away with real money. And Ordered all the Gold and other assets rounded up and transferred to the Fed. This is how he stole America's wealth. We now use Monopoly money that are virtually IOU's and when we pay or buy anything we still owe for it plus interest, see where the two accounting books come in? What's more we can't own anything the FED Bank owns it all, plus us, plus all we think and do (NATURAL RESOURCES< INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY< AND PHYSICAL PROPERTY< and other Transferrable and hypothecated Property-- look up all the Committes/ Commissions headered by the same name and see what they talk about) Some of the Federalist/ Loyalist/ and Communist Traitoruous families responsible are listed in the Congressional Record under the Snedley Butler Testimony of the planned half million veteran coup de taut of FDR by the Bush, Hunt, and other families. They were not charged and the media buried it. Then in fear of their power FDR created the IRS, converted the Fed Res Act and created the Fed Res Bank and authorized a series of New Deals to sell people as property to the Fed Res Bank and establish a mock government to hide the complete transference to the Imperial rule of the US to the Crown (England and Rome) and the Fed Res Bank is deliberately collapsing Global Currency, since all Countries are under this mock system, to bring about the Communising of the Globe under the Imperial Crown, and the discontinuation of the debt notes and the debt and credit system of debt as orchestrated through the Rockefeller's who created the Joint Stock multinational trusts to rip of and decieve every country on Earth. Now that they own all the transferrable Rights, Assets, and real Properties and Capital of the World as hypothecated to them and in cases, actually physically transferred. Just weeks prior to being shot both Lincoln and Kennedy were making preparations to abolish the Federal reserve Act, what's more Kennedy created E.O. 11110-- making it legal to use silver backed currency. The Fed owns the Silver, see the source for hostility? The Hunt family, who tried to overthrow FDR and forced their agenda on him, tried to use Kennedy to undermine their own Agenda, they made billions off of printing silver backed currency, odd, remember the KGC hid all the gold after Lincoln was shot, well, after Kennedy was shot, the Hunt's were stripped of all their siver backed currency profits. John Kerry's wife is a Hunt, and they still pal around with the Bush's. Am I a bush hater? Nope. I hate Traitors period!
Bush just happens to be one of them. Hell, they all are. Even when they seem to care it's an Act. Just like a Congressional Act of Law is an Act. They are in SINE DIE, they are in perpetual suspension thanks to the perpetual war on terror, they have no authority to write law, it is an act, a show. All you get when you are born is a COPY of the Certificate, not the Original, when you buy a vehicle, realty, etc. all you get is a Deed issued by the Trustee. All your Rights are privelages. All your money is fake. Soon, the paper fake money is to be replaced by National ID Systems and an automated Debit Card, to dispense with cash and control the economy of the World and as Property Owners, dictate Law to the World, all the while the CITIZEN SOVEREIGN NATINAL SOCIALIST PROPERTIES will believe they are still operating under their current Governments through the Masterminded controlled Illusion.
Get it,yet? O! And you 1111 number hunter's, did you like E.O. 11110?

The whole affair makes me

[edit on 26-2-2009 by PhyberDragon]

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 01:00 AM
Good for them!
The rich make the jobs you know - and they pay for all the lazy people!

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 01:16 AM

Originally posted by Boston Tea Party
Well I can see from the responses on this thread that the class was is alive and well on ATS. Well I am glad the original poster brought this story up I do not think it is fair to tar all rich people with the same brush. People are people, have some respect and do not stereotype would be my suggestion. Judge individuals as you meet them and assess their character.

They should post the bank accounts of the these same people who are complaining and then we'll see what they say.

For those who bellyache about rights, one of them is maintain privacy as to how much money you earn and save.

Mike F

posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 01:24 AM
reply to post by PhyberDragon

Stands and applauds. Well said!

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