Originally posted by karl 12
Indeedy-theres a great many credible and unexplained sightings
(not to mention some very bizarre reports)
coming from the island -especialy from around the mountain area of El Yunque:
When they stopped, the jeep went dead. The lights, the jeep’s engine, the radio communicator... everything went dead. Their watches wouldn’t work anymore, even quartz watches."
At the moment the craft landed they all felt unable to move, they are not sure if this was due to some effect imposed on them or due to their fear, not knowing what might happen next.
"There were three of us, out in two boats. I was alone in my boat and my two companions were in theirs. It was eight years ago, on the night of August 1, 1962, and between 11:00 and 11:30 p.m. It was a very fine night, with a starry sky, a slight wind, and the sea quite calm. Suddenly, at about 300 metres from me, I saw a large metallic body, elongated in shape, and with a sort of chimney or turret in the middle. It seemed to be moving along slowly on the surface of the sea. Then finally it stopped. I said to my companions in the other boat: ‘A submarine has surfaced over there quite close to us. It doesn't seem to worry them!'
"One of the others replied: 'It must be a foreign sub. It's a model that I don't know.' Then there was some disturbance and waves around the submarine, and I was able to make out some frogmen coming out of the sea and climbing up onto the craft. We shouted to them. But at first they didn't even turn round to look at us. My two companions, who had also seen them and had heard me hailing them, also called to them with their loud-speaker: 'Hi there, mates! Snooty today, eh? Are you from here? Foreigners, eh maybe? But anyway, give us an answer!'
"The result was nil. There was no reply from their side. I had a good view of them. I counted about a dozen of them getting up onto the submarine. Then three or four of them did look round and hesitated for a few instants before vanishing into the ship.
"Finally, before rejoining the rest, the last man turned towards us and raised his right arm above his head and waved it for a few instants in greeting, to say he had seen us, and then he disappeared into the craft like the rest.
"Then we saw the machine rise right up out of the water and hang there just above the waves. Then we saw lights go on, red and green, and a beam of white light shot out and reached as far as our boats. This beam was from a searchlight and gave off no heat or anything unpleasant.
"Then the beam of light went out. Then the craft was lit up with an orange-sort of glow, and the red and green lights went out. The machine started to rotate very slowly, from left to right, and rose to about 20 metres above the sea.
"Its appearance was, as we now saw, like an oval or almost round dish and of the dimensions of a medium-sized submarine. It hung there stationary for a few minutes. Then it began to rotate faster, its light grew brighter, and suddenly it shot off horizontally at high speed over the sea, amid a vast silence. Its light now took on the colour of red flame and it flattened out and came back right round over us in a beautiful curve while climbing all the while and increasing speed, and then it vanished as a tiny red dot among the stars. Within just a few moments while we watched it, it had become totally invisible to sight.
"We remained there quite a while, flabbergasted, straining our eyes at the spot in the sky where that fantastic machine had disappeared.
"Apart from the noise of the waves, we had heard no sound from it, and you can well imagine that we asked ourselves what it could possibly have been. It was not a submarine, nor a helicopter nor a seaplane; we would have certainly seen if it was any one of those.
"Very much aware and sensitive as we were about ridicule and mockery, we have never talked to anybody about that fantastic and mysterious encounter out at sea, and we have kept silent about it right up until now, with the intention of telling you, and only you, about it."
Another case--mired controversy over the past ten years-- took place at the coastal community of Conil in the south of Spain, and involving the materialization of two large, brilliant figures that turned into human beings before the eyes of frightened teenage witnesses. According to their testimony, the pseudo-humans were a male and female, dressed in street clothes appropriate for the time and place. They calmly walked along the beach and vanished into a crowd, while a UFO display filled the heavens above. The witnesses stuck around to see them return hours later, capturing their curious manner of walking with on Super-8 film. The trail of footprints left by the male and female led straight into the water. This incident, dubbed "the infiltrators" or "the Conil humanoids" has been re-opened several times since it occured in 1989, and a number of researchers have interviewed the witnesses over the years as well as police officers and government functionaries. This high-strangeness event does not stand all alone: researcher Manuel Carballal has uncovered a similar case involving "humanoids emerging from the sea" at the northern Spanish beach of Sada. During this incident, a married couple walking along the beach at night was startled by the emergence of two "strange humanoids" emerging from the sea. "As in the Conil case," Carballal explains, " they were clad in long tunics and carried bags into which something was being poured."
On May 5, 1959, a boat sailed out of the Dominican Republic carrying 45 year old television producer and director Freddy Miller and his passengers (two women and two children) and disappeared without a trace. Thirteen years later, on September 22, 1973, insurance salesman Virgilio Gómez was driving along the highway to service a new account when he saw a person waving him down by the roadside. According to Gómez, a man in a green outfit informed him that he was Freddy Miller, adding that he had "supposedly" drowned along with some other people, but that he had in fact been rescued by a modern device, "a module known to people as a UFO".
The witness remarked that his alien interlocutor had a disgusting grayish-yellow skin tone that he found repulsive, spoke in a thick, deliberate voice and was virtually hairless. The entity's body was covered by a form-fitting green coverall without zippers or pockets. Gómez was shown a strange, half-concealed vehicle in the woods by the roadside, causing him to realize that the situation was no joke.
Upon returning home that evening, Gómez told his wife and relatives about "Freddy Miller" and his experience that morning. Santo Domingo's major newspapers and periodicals would soon feature the case.
...an incredible incident took place on the Araguari River in Brazil. Over 70 people waiting for a ferry watched in astonishment as a 15 foot metallic object rose from the river to hover above them before disappearing from sight.
The most unusual British encounter was said to have involved the driver and passengers of a London bus. The year was 1964 and driver Bob Fall on a route near Tottenham was amazed to a see a silver cigar shaped object dive into the nearby waters of the River Lea. Police later explained the incident as a flight of ducks, but severed overhead telephone wires and a large gouge on the embankment told a different story.
Laguna Cartagena, a lake near Puerto Rico's UFO hotspot of Lajas, is itself connected to a similar phenomenon dubbed "Unidentified Submerged Objects" by the late, great investigator Ivan T. Sanderson. These USO's have been seen countless times over the years both at the lake as well as in the deep ocean waters surround the island. Some who study this phenomenon believe it indicates the presence of a secret underwater base from which extraterrestrials launch their craft.
Among those who study USO's and UFO's in Puerto Rico are the members of "Project Argus", and it is primarily through them that much of this is known.
On the 8th of October 2002, a police officer and Project Argus member, Carlos Torres, claimed to spot a red USO fly out of Laguna Cartagena and then hover. Torres said it then flew away, returned a short while later, and hovered once more before it dove again into the water.
On November 20, two years later, Jusepe Quiñonez shot video [click here] of what he believes is either the same USO or a similar one. It, too, was hovering in the vicinity of Laguna Cartagena.
It was late February (possibly the 28th), 1963, and a contingent of the Royal Navy's North Atlantic Fleet had been participating in exercises off Norway for about three days. Part of this contingent of approximately ten ships included Tim Preston's frigate (a destroyer escort).
Preston, a 20-year-old lieutenant trained in navigation and radar-sonar operations (over 12 months of radar experience), was on the early morning watch (2400 to 0750 hours) in the darkened radar-sonar room. Second in command of this facility, Tom happened to be in charge of the shift at the time of the UFO incident. Besides himself, other personnel in the room comprised three radarscope operators and two sonar operators. The senior officer was not present.
The witness believes his frigate was cruising approximately northeast between Spitsbergen and Norway, some 30 to 50 miles off the northern Norwegian coast. On a map he placed his position at roughly 71° north latitude and 20° east longitude in the Norwegian Sea. Thinking back to that morning, the observer recalled that the sky was clear except for scattered clouds; the seas were probably running three to five feet; and winds were probably blowing at Beaufort Force 2 (3.5 to 6 knots, or 4 to 7 miles per hour, a slight breeze).
Each of the three radarscopes in the room displayed a different height level in the atmosphere. At approximately 0315 hours, Preston recalled, a stationary "bleep" appeared abruptly on the highest-level scope. The target's vertical height was approximately 35,000 feet, and it was located somewhat west of the zenith (overhead point) at perhaps 70° elevation. The bleep indicated a seemingly hard, solid object giving off a strong reflection; the size of the target on the screen, according to the witness's best recollection, implied an actual diameter or length for the object of between that of a jet fighter and a 707-- in other words, said Preston, roughly 100 to 120 feet across.
One of the strange things about this unknown target was the suddenness of its appearance: One moment the screen was empty; the next moment the target was there. If it in fact represented a genuine reflection from a real object at the indicated altitude, the object would have had to have entered the radar field at unbelievable speed, either horizontally or vertically, and then stopped instantly without any deceleration.
Tom stated that he went out on deck a number of times during the observation and peered upward through binoculars in attempts to spot the UFO against the night sky. He was unsuccessful, however, in spotting the object visually. (A visual confirmation also eluded others in the fleet so far as Preston was able to determine later.)
After a few minutes, Tom notified his senior officer who came into the radar room, looked at the target on the scope, and then withdrew. The officer proceeded to radio the nearest ship to learn if it also "painted" the same target. It did. Thus, a radar set malfunction was ruled out. (Tom's conversations with radar operators aboard other ships following the episode determined that they had the unknown on their screens as well.)
When an attempted radio contact with the unexplained source failed to elicit any response, the fleet's flagship was contacted and an order subsequently issued to all ships to execute an evasive maneuver, basically a "Z" pattern. Preston said the UFO appeared to follow the maneuver, remaining overhead at its original altitude and holding the same relative position on the radarscope.
At this juncture, according to the witness, a call went out for fighter assistance in making an identification intercept. Within minutes, Tom heard the sound of jets through the open door, and he could see the bleeps of two aircraft on the scope racing from the southwest toward the unidentified image. (He believes the aircraft must have been English Electric Lightnings, the RAF's fastest fighters in the early 1960s.)
The observer recalled that when the jets came within about 10 to 15 miles of the unknown, the UFO suddenly performed a steep angular descent at incredible speed, crossing all three radar screens as it descended and passing completely below the radar horizon all within about two or three seconds! The object's path crossed the ship's bow from port to starboard.
As the target descended, the two sonar operators aimed their pulses in the general direction of the dropping object. Almost immediately in a matter of seconds following loss of radar contact, both sonar operators received audible pings, indicating a strong echo from a fast-moving submerged target at a range of probably 20,000 yards roughly 10 miles.
(Sonar is the underwater counterpart of radar, only the former employs sound waves rather than radio waves. The distance to the submerged object can be found from the time taken for the waves to travel to the object and back to the ship, knowing the velocity of acoustical sound waves through sea water. Tom explained that sonar's usually limited range was extended in this case by means of a classified procedure.)
The underwater target appeared to be traveling in the same general azimuth and at the same descent angle (at least initially) as the airborne object, implying that the two unknowns were one and the same! The target's speed was considerably reduced, "down to hundreds of miles per hour" but "still moving damn fast," remarked Preston, and it was now moving along a zigzag path away from the ship. Sonar first picked up the target at its upward horizon, perhaps 50 feet below the ocean surface, and continued to register an echo from the object as it dropped rapidly into deep water. (The witness claims that the depth in this area should have been "no more than 2,000 feet.") Sonar contact with the unidentified object suddenly ceased after an indeterminate period of no more than two or three minutes. The abrupt cessation of the echo might have simply indicated that the object dropped behind a rise in the uneven sea bottom.
Tom's frigate had begun steaming toward the target's entry point at flank speed and probably arrived at the spot in about 20 minutes. A visual and sonar search over the entry point, however, yielded nothing. No further contact of any kind was made with the submerged object.
When asked to estimate the total duration of the entire radar-sonar observation, the witness said he was uncertain owing to the length of time that had elapsed since the event. But he came up with "five or six minutes although it could have been a lot longer." In fact, if one considers all the elements of time involved throughout the episode -- the initial radar observation prior to notification of the senior officer, the subsequent ship-to-ship communications, the attempted radio contact with the target, the evasive maneuver of the fleet, the arrival of the jets, and the sonar contact -- it would appear that a duration on the order of at least 15 to 20 minutes would have been more reasonable.
After Tom witnessed the senior officer enter the UFO observations in the radar log book, their shift ended. Radar room personnel on the early morning watch ate breakfast and then turned in. Probably sometime between 1200 and 1300, Tom said he was awakened and ordered to report to the ward room, along with the five radar and sonar operators on his shift that morning. There was a little grumbling at having their "sack time" interrupted. Awaiting the men in the ward room were their senior officer and the commander of the ship. All sat down around a table over coffee.
The senior officer proceeded to go over the events of that morning, asking questions about the radar-sonar observations. He told the six men that their conversations were being taped and explained that until more was known about the unknown target, they were to remain silent about what they had seen. "Gentlemen," the officer said, "we will remember that we have all signed the Official Secrets Act (or words to that effect)." Although there were no threats, the implication was clear that to divulge anything to anyone concerning the tracking of the UFO would be considered a breach of security.
I asked Tom if the meeting might have been part of a general order carried out on other ships in the fleet as well in connection with the UFO incident. He responded that he didn't know if it was or not.
The witness recollected that he was in the ward room about 10 minutes. He said he never heard anything further about the unknown target.
When Preston came on duty once again at 2400 hours, he said he was surprised to discover that a "spanking new book" had replaced the radar log used the previous morning.
As far as I am personally aware, this case is totally unique in the history of UFO reports. It is the first known combined radar-sonar contact of a UFO. With perhaps a single exception, it is also the first known sonar-tracking of a USO (Unidentified Submarine Object),
The files of the Russian Ufology Research Center contain much more information about Russian underwater sightings, including statements of Naval officers and intelligence operatives. While the most interesting information will be published in the new book, co-authored by Paul Stonehill and Philip Mantle, it is safe to conclude that the Soviets (before), and the Russians (now) are preoccupied with the strange and sinister creatures lurking in their waters.
The Russian Ufology Research Center has a collection of "hydrosphere aspect" sightings. The secret files of the Soviet Navy contain much valuable information on UFO sightings. Soviet military researchers are quite thorough. The files have been largely inaccessible, even after the fall of the USSR. But I was able to collect some interesting information.
In the summer of 1982, Mark Shteynberg, along with Lt. Colonel Gennady Zverev, were conducting periodic training of the reconnaissance divers ("frogmen") of the Turkestan and Central Asian military regions. The training exercises had been taking place at the Issik Kul Lake, a deep water lake in the Transiliysk Ala Tau area.
Quite unexpectedly the officers were paid a visit by a very important official, Major-General V. Demyanko, commander of the Military Diver Service of the Engineer Forces of the Ministry of Defense, USSR. He arrived to inform the local officers of an extraordinary event the had occurred during similar training exercises in the Trans-Baikal and West Siberian military regions. There, during their military training dives, the frogmen had encountered mysterious underwater swimmers, very human-like, but huge in size (almost three meters in height!)
The swimmers were clad in tight-fitting silvery suits, despite icy-cold water temperatures. At the depth of fifty meters, these "swimmers" had neither scuba diving equipment ("aqualungs"), nor any other equipment, only sphere-like helmets concealing their heads.
Well, the local military commander (quite alarmed by such encounters) decided to capture one of the creatures. With that purpose in mind, a special group of seven divers, under the command of an officer, had been dispatched.
As the frogman tried to cover the creature with a net, the entire group was thrown out of the deep waters to the surface by some powerful force. Now, because autonomous equipment of the frogmen does not allow surfacing from such depths without strict adherence to the process of decompression stops, all of the members of the ill-gated expedition were stricken by aeroembolism, of the Caisson disease. The only remedial treatment available consisted of an immediate confinement under decompression conditions in a pressure chamber. They had several such pressure chambers in the military region, but only one in working condition. It could contain no more than two persons.
Hence, local CO had forced four frogmen into the chamber. As a result, three of them (including the leader of the group) perished, and the rest became invalids - terrible consequences caused by the usual Soviet military bungling.
The major-general rushed to the Issik Kul to warn the local military against similar "devil-may-care" actions. Although the Issik Kul Lake is more shallow than the Baikal Lake, the depth of the former was sufficient to contain similar mysterious creatures. Did the major-general know something that Officer Shteynberg did not?
A short time later, the staff headquarters of the Turkmenistan military region had received an order from the Commander-in-Chief of the Land Forces. The order consisted of detailed analysis of the Baikal Lake events and reprimands. It was supplemented by an information bulletin from the headquarters of the Engineer Forces of the Ministry of Defense, USSR. the bulletin listed numerous deepwater lakes where there had been registered sightings of anomalous phenomena: appearances of underwater creatures analogous to the Baikal type, descent and surfacing of giant discs and spheres, powerful luminescence emanating from the deep, etc.
Such documents, without exception, were highly classified and "for the eyes" of a very limited circle of military officers. The purpose fo such documents was "to prevent unnecessary encounters...."
The Russian Ufology Research Center has a collection of "hydrosphere aspect" sightings. The secret files of the Soviet Navy contain much valuable information on UFO sightings. Soviet military researchers are quite thorough. The files have been largely inaccessible, even after the fall of the USSR. But I was able to collect some interesting information.
Mr. Krapiva, who resides in Ukraine, attended numerous lectures presented by veteran officers of Soviet nuclear-powered submarines. They had served in the Soviet North, aboard secret naval installations and bases. The lectures sometimes veered off the planned presentations, and many spellbinding tales were told. For instance, episodes when Soviet sonar-operators (military hydroacoustics technicians) were "hearing" (at great depths) strange "targets". Their submarines were actually being chased by other "submarines". The pursuers changed their speed at will -- speeds that were much faster than any other similar vessel in the world at that time Lieutenant-Commander Oleg Sokolov confidentially informed the students that while he was on duty during his submarine's navigation, he had observed through a periscope an ascent of some strange object through the water. He was not able to identify it, because he viewed it through the optical system of the periscope. This underwater "take off" took place in the early 1960's.
A few years ago V.V. Krapiva met with Professor Korsakov of the Odessa University. Professor Korsakov told him of a conversation he had with a friend of his, a Soviet Navy officer who had served at the Sevastopol Naval base. Back in the 1950's this officer personally sighted a UFO. The object ascended from behind a battle cruiser. The officer was under the impression that the object surfaced from the depths of the Black Sea. Professor Korsakov has a photograph of the object.
In August 1965, a crew of the steamship RADUGA, while navigating in the Red Sea, observed an unusual phenomenon. At about two miles away, a fiery sphere dashed out from under the water and hovered over the surface of the sea, illuminating it. The sphere was sixty meters in diameter, and it hovered above the sea at an altitude of 150 meters. A gigantic pillar of water ascended upwards, as the sphere emerged from the sea and collapsed some moments later.
In December 1977, not far from the Novy Georgy Island, the crew of the fishing trawler VASILY KISELEV also observed something quite extraordinary. Rising vertically from under the water was a doughnut-shaped object. Its diameter was between 300 and 500 meters. It hovered at the altitude of four to five kilometers. The trawler's radar station was immediately rendered inoperative. The object hovered over the area for three hours, and then disappeared instantly. The testimony of Alexander G. Globa, a seaman from GORI, a Soviet tanker, was published in Zagadki Sfinksa magazine (Issue # 3, 1992) Odessa,.
In June of 1984, GORI was in the Mediterranean, twenty nautical miles from the Straight of Gibraltar. At 16:00, Globa was on duty. With him was Second-in-Command S. Bolotov. They were standing watch at the left bridge extension wing when both men observed a strange polychromatic object. When the object was astern, it stopped suddenly. S. Bolotov was agog, shaking his binoculars and shouting: "It is a flying saucer, a real saucer, my God, hurry, hurry, look!" Globa looked through his own binoculars and saw, at a distance over the stern, a flattened out looking object (it did remind him of an upside-down frying pan). The UFO was gleaming with a grayish metallic shine. The lower portion of the craft had a precise round shape, its diameter no more than twenty meters. Around the lower portion of it Globa also observed "waves" of protuberances on the outside plating. The base of the object's body consisted of two semi-discs, the smaller being on top; they slowly revolved in opposing directions. At the circumference of the lower disc Globa saw numerous shining, bright, bead-like lights. The seaman's attention was centered on the bottom portion of the UFO. It looked as if it was completely even and smooth, its color that of a yolk, and in the middle of it Globa discerned a round, nucleus-like stain. At the edge of the UFO's bottom, which was easily visible, was something that looked like a pipe. It glowed with an unnaturally bright rosy color, like a neon lamp. The top of the middle disc was crowned by a triangular-shaped something. It seemed that it moved in the same direction as the lower disc, but at a much slower pace. Suddenly the UFO jumped up several times, as if moved by an invisible wave. Many lights illuminated its bottom portion. The crew of GORI tried to attract the object's attention using a signal projector. By that time Captain Sokolovky was on the desk with his men. He and his Second-in-Command were watching the object intensely. However, the UFO's attention was distracted by another ship, approaching at the port side. It was an Arab dry cargo ship, on its way to Greece. The Arabs confirmed that the object hovered over their ship. A minute and a half later the object changed its flight's trajectory, listed to the right, gained speed and ascended rapidly. The Soviet seamen observed that when it rose through the clouds, appearing and disappearing again, it would occasional shine in the sun's rays. The craft then flared up, like a spark, and was gone instantly.
The earliest mention of giant beings (resembling Shteynberg's "swimmers") goes back to early 1900's. Several boys in Georgia (Russian Empire) discovered a cave inside a mountain, full of human-like skeletons. Each skeleton was three meters in height. To get to the cave, the boys had to dive into a lake. George Papashvili and his wife recall the incident in a book, Anything Can Happen published in New York in 1925, St. Martin's Press.
Vladimir Georgiyevich Ajaja, nowadays is a prominent personality in the Russian Ufological Association. But he was not always a ufologist, and when he became one, he earned the ire of the Communist Party's dislike of those who study forbidden topics. With the help of his highly placed Navy buddies, he was able to write a piece about the Bermuda Triangle for Nauka I Zhizhn, a respected Soviet scientific magazine. After all, he was a marine researcher, who, on numerous occasions, studied the depths of the Atlantic Ocean from aboard a Soviet submarine (with many features designed by him). Other mainstream Soviet marine researchers would not touch such a "questionable" subject. In his search for the information, two sources helped him: Charles Berlitz's The Bermuda Triangle book that mentioned UFOs (he could find no other books in the libraries), and Vice-Admiral Y.V. Ivanov, head of the Naval Intelligence Directorate. Ajaja found out that the Naval Intelligence had long considered UFOs to be a subject of serious investigation. But his newly found conviction put him on thin ice. Ajaja's efforts to study and promote ufology made him a target of the science officialdom, and the Party functionaries. His name was smeared in the Soviet media. Ajaja's works were blacklisted. His lectures were outlawed. He was fired from several jobs, and prevented from speaking publicly. Again, his Navy buddies helped him land a job, and write about UFOs for their practical use. In his brochure ATTENTION: UFOS he stated that the UFO wave of 1989, still in progress in 1991 when it was published, had swept away ideological and censorship barriers which were placed against ufology in the USSR. But because of the years of silence, the country has been rendered totally unprepared for UFO phenomena. So he helped organize the SOYUZUFOTSENTR to promote scientific study of UFO phenomena. It broke away from its cradle, the Soviet Academy of Sciences, because as were numerous other people, Ajaja was convinced that those responsible for the UFO research within the Academy actually prevented true and unbiased research. A.Gorbovsky, a Soviet historian and noted writer, now residing in the United Kingdom, published a book titled Enigmas of Ancient History in the early 1970's. For many people in the Soviet Union this book was an introduction to the forbidden world of ufology, of paleocontact (a Russian term for the ancient astronaut hypothesis), and mysteries of our ancient history. Gorbovsky mentions an incident that took place in the ancient Mediterranean where people observed a strange underwater vehicle surfacing at high speed. The object ejected itself from the water, and shortly thereafter disappeared.
B. Borovikov hunted Black Sea sharks for many years. Then something happened that put an end to his hobby. Diving in the Anapa area, he descended to the depth of eight meters. He saw giant beings rising up from below. They were milky-white, but with humanoid faces, and something like fish tails. The being ahead of its companions noticed Borovikov, and stopped. It had giant bulging eyes, as if in some vague glasses. The other two joined it. The first one waved her hand-it was definitely a hand with membranes-towards the diver. All of them approached the diver, and stopped at a short distance. Then they turned around, and swam away. Borovikov's experience was published in XX vek: khronika neobjasnimogo (Moscow, 1996).
D. Povaliyayev was handgliding over Kavgolov (Leningrad area) in the early 1990's. There are lakes, and in one of them the skydiver noticed three giant "fish". He descended, and was able to discern "swimmers" in silvery costumes. He mentioned the episode in his book Letuchi Gollandets (1995). There have been many UFO sightings in the area.
Russian Ufology Research Center
P.O. Box 571951
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To those of you interested in the current UFO research, remember the names of present-day Russian and Ukrainian ufologists who doggedly pursue the study of the phenomenon, in spite of the great difficulties experienced by their countries. I have nothing but respect for people like Aleksandr Rempel, Yuri Smirnov, Nikolay Subbotin, Gherman Kolchin, Mikhail Gershtein, Vadim Chernobrov, Dr. Rubtsov, and others like them. I hope that I and Philip Mantle will be able to tell you about them and their research in our new book. And if any of you are truly interested in Russian/CIS ufology, let the information I have provided here be your first step on a road of discovery.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
For researchers finding this thread through google:
Karls Puerto Rico-Focussed Thread
Funny that it hardly got any replies while obvious hoaxes and deflections get hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of replies.
Thats one way to keep relevant information away from the broader public.
".. the weight of testimony emerging from Puerto Rico is breathtaking.."
Originally posted by grandnic
reply to post by spacevisitor
As a commercial diver working in lakes and river in northern Canada, I'd like to add a few things to this. While most of this looks real, I'd like to point out that in a lake, the visibility should not be more than 10 feet. At a maximum, I dive often in lakes and river where I cannot see my hand in front of my face. It is also true that if they where using mixed-gaz rebreather (the type the military use for dives over 30 feet deep) a explosive decompression that would happen if they were thrown out of the water would put their gear in failsafe mode. However, the problem they had where not due to the equipment, but to human physiology. (en.wikipedia.org...)
Nice pictures here of russian navy using oxygen rebreather (no bubbles, but a limit of 30 feet deep).
I wonder if the number of people trying to debunk this is a indication of the veracity of the information ... you could be unto something.
Anyway, great thread, it's been a very nice read for this calm week at work.
Lake Issyk-Kul (Ozero Issyk-Kyl in Russian), a drainless lake in the northern Tien Shan (mountains) of Kyrgyzstan, is one of the largest mountain lakes in the world, and is famous for its magnificent scenery and unique scientific interest. It has length of 113 miles (182 kilometres), a width of up to 38 miles, and a surface area of 2,445 square miles (6,332 square kilometres). It reaches 2,303 feet in depth and has a volume of 416 cubic miles. The lake's name, which derives from a word for "hot lake", alludes to the fact that it does not freeze over during the winter, even though the lake is situated at an altitude of 5,278 feet. The first scientific investigations of Issyk-Kul took place in 1856 and were published by Russian geographer, P. P. Semyonov Tyan-Shansky, who studied the lake's bed and its connection with the Chu River. The evidence suggests that Issyk-Kul has existed at least since the Neocene (beginning 7,000,000 years ago) and that it has periodically drained. The climate is warm, dry, and temperate. Air temparatures in July on the shore average 61° or 63° F (16° or 17° C), while in January , on the western edge of the basin, the temperatures average 28° or 27° F (-2° or -3° C). More than 50 rivers can be counted in the basin. The Issyk-Kul shores open out gently, with coves on the eastern and southeastern sides. Total length of the shoreline is about 370 miles. Sandy, silt-phytogene solis predominate. Lake terraces stretch alnong the shores, indicating a higher water level in the past, and the presence of underwater ruins of buildings at depths of up to 23 feet testifies to the past that in the Middle Ages the level of the lake was lower that it now is. In the 20th century the lake has dropped more than three meters. Seasonal fluctuations of the level, caused by summer floods in the rivers of the Issyk-Kul Basin, range from 12 to 20 inches. Surface curents, which flow counterclockwise, have been recorded. The water temperature in July on the surface is 68° to 73° F (20° to 23° C), and in January it is 36° to 37° F (2° to 3° C). Ice forms only in the shallow coves. The water of the Issyk-Kul is sky blue in colour, very clear (visibility up to 65 feet), and salty (5.8 parts per thousand). Unsuitable for drinking and irrigation because of its high mineral content, it is used at times without freshening for watering cattle. Rocky deserts with sparse, saline, semibushi vegetation lie the western part of the basin..
A SUBMERGED UFO?
On the afternoon of October 31, 1963, at approximately 2 p.m., a most strange object dropped from out of nowhere and submerged in the muddy waters of the Peropava River, near the Capivari, approximately eight kilometers to the right of BR-2 (highway) in the neighborhood of the Ribeira do Iguape — a region between the Serrado Paranapiacaba mountain range and the Atlantic Ocean — causing, at the time, real panic in the region, which later during the following days turned into the most intense curiosity. What was this strange — and apparently — most astonishing event, causing bewilderment, wonder, and even panic, and then later amazement and great curiosity?
On the small boat-landing directly in front of her house, an eight-year-old child, Rute de Souza, a quiet, intelligent and lively girl, living with her parents in a humble and very poor hovel on the left bank of the Peropava River, suddenly heard a great noise coming from what she seemed to think was a miniature jet plane flying low over her head. As Rute lifted her eyes, she saw a strange, luminous object, light and brilliant, in the form of an enormous, polished aluminum bowl, slowly, yet noisily, descending from the sky in her direction from the south.
The girl continued watching in fascination; in a fraction of a few seconds, the thing slightly scraping the rooftop of her parent's poor hovel, collided with the large stump of an Igarape1 a few meters from where she was sitting. At first, Rute paid little attention to the strange object, but "when that thing" hit the Igarape and gave three bouncing leaps, crossing the stream and quickly changing its course finally to dive into the water on the opposite side, she became fearful and afraid because she saw the water boil as if one were cooling a hot iron in it. She told her parents that foam appeared on the surface of the water, foam which took some moments to subside. The ripples continued for some time.
Her parents, and others to whom she had related the strange event, reported the occurrence to the local reporters, and at their request, two divers were brought to the site — Caetabo Germano Iovvane and Peter Runge e Manoel Batista de Andrade, both of the "Associação Cristã de Moços [Christian Association of Young Men. –H J-]”— to search the heart of the Peropava River and the place where the object had submerged, to make an effort to locate it. The scuba divers started their explorations early in the afternoon on November 11; however, due to the bad light and approaching evening, they suspended their operations around 5 p.m., without any success2.
Rute de Souza herself had the best oppurtunity (sic) to note the strange object; a few others also saw it in fractions of seconds due to its sudden appearance and speed. The girl, however, wasn't able to give the exact size of the object, though she said it was "like a basin for bathing, only much bigger." A Japanese peasant, residing close by, also noted the strange object, but wasn't able to describe its exact size either; he believed it wasn't more than two meters in diameter3. Another witness, Paul Nunes, saw it when it dived into the river, but was also unable to evaluate its dimensions. Rute's mother had noted "the thing" while it was still in the air "buzzing loudly as if it were a small jet plane."
She, Mrs. Julia Elidia, told the reporters that she had listened to Rádio Difusora4 the first day — the 31st — to find out if there had been some airplane accident in that vicinity; she had continued to listen the following day, too. But as nothing had been mentioned on the radio, she asked a nearby farmer to communicate the fact immediately to the authorities in Iguape, who later arrived and made a careful investigation. Then later, on December 31, the matter was communicated to the Brazilian Air Force, which sent out planes and started further investigations.
On arrival, Mrs. Elidia informed them that she was behind the house when she saw the strange object descend swiftly in its direction toward the river, that she remembered her daughter was sitting on the little dock, and she had run out to see if anything had happened to her. At this moment she had encountered the child running in her direction, trying to speak, but unable to say a word in fear, pointing with her hands to the opposite side of the river. Too, she said, Issuo Oikiti, and the girl's uncle, Raul Soares de Souza, were about ten meters from the scene when they had heard the shock of the object smash against the surface water; both had time to see it submerge, then the place became surrounded by a great quantity of foam.
On November 13, the Diário do Paraná, the local newspaper, had reported the matter and memtioned (sic) the failure of investigation. The account had added that "in communication maintained by the reporters with the various sectors of public adminstration (sic) or with elements who run sections which should be interested by the strange object, we have come to the conclusion that there is a complete apathy in the untangling of the mystery that the waters of the Peropava River hold."
Then, on November 14, the same newspaper gave further publicity to the case, adding that "Rute Nunes de Souza, her mother, D. Elidia Nunes de Souza and her uncle Raul Soares de Souza had never heard of flying saucers; nonetheless, Mrs. Elidia de Souza affirmed that ‘the thing’ she had seen did have the appearance of a flying saucer. Raul de Souza had affirmed the same, that even though he had only seen the object when it had submerged, he assured it to be round and bright... after more than four hours of continuous work (the divers) were convinced that they should await a better opportunity, since the waters of the Peropava River were dirty and it had a muddy, slimy bottom, more than a meter deep ... Later, to endeavor to see the object, the divers, aided by local canoe owners, started to search with bamboo poles. Peter Runge, a new diver, went down to investigate and hit something metallic on the river's bottom, but divers Caetano and Batista weren't able to get the exact place because of the slime and mud."
Then, once again, on December 7, the subject was brought to light by the same newspaper. It added that the object was seen by more than ten persons and that "from the bank in the river, mother and daughter, frightened, watched the water boil and become dirtier than ever before." And after further descriptions and witnesses’ reports, it added that, also, in the search for the object were Gigi del Mashio, a well-known diver from São Paulo, togther (sic) with Vincentino, a technician, and Luis Arenas Blasques, diver."
Then, finally, on February 28, 1964, news was received from São Paulo, through Miss Rute P. Castro, given by Mr. Nelson Gato, chief-reporter for the Diario de São Paulo, according to which the search for the supposed flying saucer had been abandoned due to the mud and the lack of conditions, leaving, in this manner, the unanswerable and exceptional case to be forgotten . . .
Thus, today, the mystery of the satellite, rocket — or flying saucer — still rests on the mud-coasted (sic), slime and ooze bottom of the Peropava River, in São Paulo Province of Brizal (sic) —waiting for some scuba enthusiast to uncover its secret!
Originally posted by grandnic
Sorry about the spelling mistakes, english is a second language, and my computer at work only correct mistakes in french.
USO sighting near Azores following USS Scorpion sinking
This [is] to possibly confirm a report of the UFO/USO sighting of 05/??/68 in the vicinity of the Azores following the reported sinking of the U.S.S. Scorpion and subsequent search operation.
I was aboard the U.S.S Monrovia APA-31, which was in route to Norfolk, Va., from a six month deployment in the Mediterranean. At approximately 9 PM a large submerged object was sighted on the starboard side, just aft of the stern.
The object was an elongated ovoid in shape, luminescent orange in color, and appeared to have a translucent quality.
The USO matched several course and speed changes, and rendered compass, radar, and radio equipment inoperable.
As quickly as the object seemed to have appeared, it disappeared.
The length of the sighting was approximately 90 minutes and was witnessed by 1100 members of the crew and a contingent of US Marines.
Submerged Object: In May 1968, the witness was aboard the USS Monrovia (APA31) and saw a large submerged luminescent object. It was nearby on the starboard side and clearly unidentified. It was approximately 50 yards in length and 30 yards at the widest point. It was an elongated ovoid shape. The color was a luminescent orange and was intermittently semi-transparent. He saw possible movement inside the object. It matched their course and speed for about 90 minutes during which time radio communication and radar would not function.
He estimates that there were around 600 witnesses.
Note regarding the number of the 1100 witnesses:
55 Officers, 500. Enlisted.
Troop Accommodations 103 Officers, 1,352 Enlisted.
This would put just about everyone on deck?