USO Research

I'm sure I have recounted this story before on here but I'll tell it again as it is a classic case of USO activity being tracked by Radar.
For 14 years I was in the Navy, initially serving as a RADAR operator. Around 1995 I was on board a Navy destroyer operating in the atlantic ocean on live missile firing excerises. During these events I was working as the surface picture supervisor but due to the nature of the exercise we had a full compliment closed up in the operations room. This meant that (unusually for night time watches during peace time) we had a full ops room gunnery team on watch manning the tracking RADARs that have the capability of giving height readings (important later on in the story). However the Sonar team was not closed up as it was not an ASW exercise and at that time no firings were underway.
It was either a middle or a morning watch (00:00 - 04:00, 04:00 - 08:00) I can't remember which but it is important to note that it was dark outside and there was heavy cloud cover obscuring the moon. Now when I say dark, I don't mean dark like it gets in the city. I mean so dark that you can't see your hand in front of your face. On a ship at sea at night, all lights are turned off except for navigational lights. On the bridge it is dark with only red lighting being used to light the charts and instrument displays (red light does not destroy the all important night vision). I am telling you this so that you understand that anything on the water or in the air that was not lit would be virtually invisible to the bridge crew.
Any way I was on the surface plot when sudenly I get a contact about five miles from the ship slightly to port. It came out of nowhere and so I quickly scaled down the Radar in order to get a good look and put a track on it. I called the Bridge and warned the Officer of the watch of the contact and he immediatly began to turn to port and ordered the bridge crew onto the bridge wings (outdoors) to look for whatever it is in the water. As soon as the ship begins to turn the contact begins to move towards the ship and then begins to circle the vessel at less than one mile. at this point it was still on the surface radar and the only thing that I can think of is it being a helicopter. I checked for transponder response but there was nothing. The officer of the watch then calls to say that the looks out can see or hear nothing but that he has it on his raw radar display. He straightens the ship up and then the weirdest thing happens. The contact that had been circling us at less than 60 mph went from less than one mile in to us to thirty miles away leaving a streak of light across my display and a radar track floating uselessly away. Due to the computer losing the track I couldn't track its speed but I was fast enough to leave that trail on the RADAR display. I called the Officer of the watch and was in the process of reporting this to him when it came racing back in, circled the ship once and then flew back out again before returning and repeating the pattern a few more times. Whilst I was discussing the likely hood of it being a helicopter with the bridge team my assistant managed to keep a manual track of it, reporting its speed as fluctuating between 120 mph on its circuit of the ship and 500 mph on its outwards and inwards leg. The wierd thing was that it wasnt gradually slowing down at its furthest point from the ship, it was literally coming to a dead stop before reversing direction. Now that spped may not seem fast but remember that this was a surface RADAR and that what ever this thing was it was low and it was dark.
The Bridge was still reporting nothing visual or audible but they could see the same as me on their raw RADAR. I now began transmitting on radio frequencies requesting the aircraft in position (lat and long) to turn on its navigational lights or squawk (turn on transponder) and the bridge crew did the same however we got no reply. (continued)

1947 Thor Heyerdahl

Heyerdahl, a science celebrity of his days with a reputation to loose.

Excerpt:

We saw the shine of phosphorescent eyes drifting on the surface on dark nights, and on one single occasion, we saw the sea boil and bubble while something like a big wheel came up and rotated in the air, while some of our dolphins tried to escape by hurling themselves desperately through space

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1947, San Fransisco Chronicle, Police Officer Report

Finally that night State Highway Patrol Sgt. David Menary, of San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge detail, reported seeing a dozen bright metal objects “about the size of a football” whiz overhead and fall into the sea.

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1947 USS Maury Survey Ship

Excerpt:

what they thought was an underwater mountain top or a solid object of some sort. It was very large2 and they made several passes over it with their sonar. My father was not in the sonar department. He was used sometimes as a helmsman and the captain’s driver in port. I am not sure, but he may have been on watch or on the bridge- I don’t know for sure. He says after several passes the object accelerated to a fast speed and disappeared into the depths and they lost it. They searched for some time and never located it again. They did not know what it was. He did not know speeds or the size of this-only that it was very big and totally stationary for a lengthy period of time during their initial sonar mapping.

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reply to post by avriel


By all means continue.

And please also share in which way this incident was filed or if any or your superiours were interested in it or tried to find an explanation of it after it happened.

Hello everyone, I thought this would be an interesting thing to bring up in this thread, "The Dragon's Triangle'' off the coast of Japan,has been a hot spot for eons for sightings of ufos leaving and entering the water in this area. It was also the place where the infamous Flying Dutchman has been seen. Japanese legend has it that a strange woman once arrived in a ufo like craft and became well known in a certain area, teaching them things than returning back later on. I hope this has been helpful.

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Great post Sky, In answer to your question, 1 knot is 1 nautical mile per hour. Since a nautical mile is 1,852 km, 50-60 knots would make 100 km/hour ... which is very fast on the water. Ship over 30 knots are considered fast.

As for the post above that talked about hallucination, It's true that they can be caused by malnutrition and boredom. But I have experienced it often while scuba diving in the murky waters of rivers and lakes. When your brain see nothing else than the same shade of brown for over an hour, it tend to create moving shape in your mind ... I wonder if something similar can account for some observation. I also wonder if bioluminescence can also account for some observation since for someone who is not familiar with marine biology it can be strange.

Anyway, thanks for this great post ... I wish i'll see one someday

Originally posted by Helmkat

Originally posted by Lombardy Inn
Lets say i have a relative that is a VERY high ranking navy official. How should i go about asking for information? You've probably heard his name before, but i dont know if i should put it out there.

Im pretty sure hes "in the know"

I think ill shoot him a casual Email for now.

If he told you anything other then "No" or "I don't know" then he would be violating the conditions of his Clearance. I had a Secret Clearance in the service (Navy 83-87) and still can't talk about anything I saw or read.

Yea, I figured it would be a violation for sure. Maybe i should just keep it to myself. I feel it could be inappropriate to ask such questions, especially as family.

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Just for completeness sake, here`s the longer thread of the South African Coast incident. Seems to be more of a crash than a submergence. Interesting.

(Continued) After a few more circtuits and fast approaches of the ship the contact disapeared off the surface RADAR. The bridge now had no way of tracking the contact due to only having surface RADAR and requested a good watch on all RADARS. I switched to a meduim range RADAR and found the contact again, circling the vessel at about five miles out. losing it from the surface RADAR but continuing its tracking on a meduim range meant that what ever it was had gained altitude.I reported this to the Bridge and then the missile desk that had been watching events and listening in came on the line asking if they could have permisson to lock onto the contact with the tracking RADAR (909) in order to ascertain altitude. The reply was a firm negative as locking up the contact could be seen as an act of agression and it was not known if this was a foreign military aircraft or helicopter. A few seconds later I again lost the contact after it became stationary about six miles ahead of the ship and then disapeared. I ordered my assistant to keep a good eye on surface RADAR for shipping and I switched up to the air and long range RADAR. Sure enough there it was, it appeared to be stationary but I had a feeling that it wasn't as it had left the range of my medium range RADAR and appeared on the air RADAR indicating that it was gaining in altitude. At this point the petty officer on the missile desk called me up on my headset privately. He said that he was going to lock up the contact for a few seconds without anybody knowing in order to see how fast this thing was going and at what altitude. The result from the quick burst was that it was gaining supersonic speed and leaving the stratosphere (don't want to talk altitudes as the ceiling of 909 is classified). At the end of the watch the officer of the watch came in the ops room and discussed what we thought this thing was. He was adamant that there was nothing visual and that even with both bridge doors open he could hear nothing above the sound of the ships engines.
So basically something appeared in front of the ship from absolutely no where. circled the ship, began moving away from and towards the ship at fast speeds and then began to gain altitude before presumably leaving the atmosphere completely (although we can't say that for sure as we could track it only for a second or two with a height finding RADAR) . I havent got a clue what it was but I strongly lean towards the USO theory as did a lot of other people on watch that night.

Edit to say that I peronally was never asked to file a report on the matter. I know that the officer of the watch reported the incident to the captain but I am not sure if it was taken any further. I do know that RADAR tapes were made as it was a firing exercise and the tapes were running throughout the whole period night and day in case of any mis-haps regarding wayward missiles etc.

[edit on 25-2-2009 by avriel]

For researchers finding this thread in google:

Also check out Karls Thread on ATS. Kandinsky already linked to it on page one, I am re-linking just to make sure its found.

reply to post by avriel


Was there any follow up?

How was this event filed?

How are they explained?

Does any procedure or action follow?

What do superiors do or say?

I really wonder how this type of stuff is handled in real life.

I feel that any advanced race of space travelers that may have made a base on this planet would do so at the deepest parts of the ocean. The reason being they would not have to contend with the surface storms, lightning, tornadoes, hurricanes, and so on. They would also remain hidden from view from space and would not have to worry about curious humans coming into their base. There has been stories from ancient history about beings that came out of the sea teaching the local people mathmatics, engineering, art, etc. There has been many sightings of USO's and considering the vast area of the oceans we probably see very little of the overall traffic.

For those having mentioned water as UFO-fuel...

1949, Russian Military Magazine

Excerpts:

Both men then inserted some type of hose into the river. Major Burkov tried to communicate with

but a shiny metallic hose, the thickness of a human hand (about 10-15 cm thick) stretched from the craft into the water

At the landing site, the men found a large circle of grass totally dried out and pressed against the ground. The ground was almost warm. The men did not find any foreign objects but did find several dead fishes floating in the river where the hose had plunged into the water. After reporting the event to authorities, a group of military officers arrived from Leningrad and investigated the landing site

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1950 Argentinian Newspapers

Suddenly and breaking the nocturnal silence, he heard something similar to a loud noise of water violently disturbed. Several sheep, who were sleeping in a field, jumped up alarmed and hurriedly ran away. There was no wind, storm, or thunderstorm that might have explained the event. Immediately a luminous object of oval form appeared emerging from the sea about 500 meters from the shore. It rose up vertically to a certain altitude and then made a turn of ninety degrees and disappeared towards the northeast in the direction of Argentine territory. Some 15 days later, also at night and when he was between Río Gallegos and the city of Santa Cruz (in the neighborhood of Puerto Coyle in the province of Santa Cruz), a similar phenomenon occurred. This time, although he could not determine the exact distance from the coast, four small luminous objects came up out of the waters of the Atlantic. They repeated the same maneuver as the previous object; that is, they gained altitude vertically and then in perfect formation approached the coastline and moved off towards the west in the direction of the Andes Mountains.

reply to post by Skyfloating


There was no follow up required by myself. I know that the captain was informed but I'm not sure if he took it further or took the view that no harm was done and it was unnexplained and therefore not worth reporting due to having more important data to capture.
At the time an engineering officer did wonder if it was a spurious echo that was being produced by weather system etc affecting the RADAR. However it was quickly pointed out that if this was the case then it was a spurious echo appearing on 3 different RADARs all operating on different frequencies. So this was ruled out.
There wasn't an air of urgency about the incident more an air of caution due to navigational safety and then curiousity.

I know from working with pilots (as a ship born helicopter controller assistant) that they see many things and never bother to report them. I would think that a lot of things like this occur and then never get reported as those involved simply shrug them off once the incident is over.
Unless a specific threat was implied or a dangerous situation occured then often nobody bothers to report it.

This thread of yours Skyfloating seems to be quite a good analysis of what you call an "underreported phenomenon. I think the sources you have extracted from viewpoints and experince make this strange phenomenon more widely acceptable.

I feel that we try to delve into the UFO phenomenon quite a bit, and that an examination into this can help us understand extraterrestial life in a more understanding approach.

I congrat you mate for bringing this subject into the spotlight, as to be honest, I never knew much about this really.

There is material here worth years of research, questions to be asked, interviews to be made, data to be sourced.

Ideally we should be more research-minded and collaborate to bring stuff to light.

[edit on 26-2-2009 by Skyfloating]

1950 Naval Aviation News

USS GARDINERS BAY—While steaming up the channel from Inch’on, Korea, two mysterious missiles trailing long white smoke trails in the sky struck the water at great speed off the ship’s bow. Two huge columns of water rose to about 100 feet in height at the point of contact. No aircraft could be sighted by radar or visually overhead although the ceiling was unlimited. Identification of the missiles remains a great mystery.

1951 Non-Ufology-Source, Ethiopia

Non-UFOlogy sources are good because they double the credibility of a Sighting.

were talking in the cockpit when we noticed a light far out to the southeast. As we watched, it grew more vivid and was seen to be sweeping towards us; it seemed like the beam of a very powerful lighthouse, pivoted in the south and sweeping from one horizon to the other--but under the water. It rapidly came closer, relentless and inexplicable, until it lit up the sails with a greenish light quite bright enough to read by. I watched the defined beam as it passed under Sheila, throwing the dark shadow of her hull momentarily over the sails, and then it fled to the western horizon. It left us speechless, but another great beam appeared in the east, swung towards us, underneath us, and silently fled into the western darkness. This happened about five times, always the same, at the same regular intervals, in complete silence and with no change in the wind or sea.

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1951 NICAP Report, Korean Incident

Excerpts:

Suddenly a strange blip appeared on the CIC radarscopes. Some unknown machine, larger than carrier aircraft, was circling the fleet. In minutes, Navy interceptors were boring up into the clouds that hid the intruder. At first, the CIC men had thought it was some new Red aircraft spotting the fleet by radar. But an hour passed with neither an attack nor message to bring enemy bombers. .

In less than ten minutes, the radarscopes showed it was two hundred miles away. The signed report later certified by Board members was given to NICAP by one of the pilots involved, now a lieutenant commander on duty in this country. The unknown machine, officially logged as a UFO, was tracked by radar operators on all fourteen ships.

Avriel I would say you had a UFO on your hands.

I have written this a few times before and I feel I need to repeat it again if not minded by skyfloating.

There are many species right here and they are in the "DEEPEST" of our waters. As they told me when I was on one of the ships under the water watching a submarine pass by far above was this:

We are safe and secure, there is nothing made on Earth that can reach us, as you can see we are in your waters....in the deepest of your waters.

You have to realize that Earth is covered 70% by water and the ships being air and water ships can go in and come out wherever they choose.

If what happened on the night you spoke of I would even go as far as to tell you they allowed you to know they were there because they could watch you just sitting there and you would never know it.

They are in our waters because this is where they can survive, they can not survive up here on our lands because there is to much oxygen in our air however, they can breathe thin air.

Have you guys ever attempted to use low frequency wave lengths to pick up anything?

I know I sound like an old broken record but one day people will get it.

Originally posted by The Undertaker
One of how many that has not been reported?

I didnt report mine either. Listening to the elaborations of the posters here one must assume that thousands if not millions go unreported.

Thanks for sharing.