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Fat kids should be removed from home; Fat parents not allowed children

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posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 06:43 PM
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Most humans do not gain excessive weight quickly without metabolic problems. The body is self-regulating when healthy. Even research that force-feeds or force-diets sees people return to the pre-weight quickly, and even research with subjects that desperately wanted to succeed in weight gain has seen much failure; the body will not balloon just because you can force someone to sit down and eat even 10,000 calories a day.

Genetically some lineages have vastly more metabolic problems with the food of today. Were they stuck eating nothing but bison and rabbit and a few roots and minimal non-sweet grains, they'd be fine. Unfortunately in today's world--particularly if they're native and the government subsidies are primarily white flour, white sugar, white rice, pasta, potatoes, etc. as the bulk--they're not going to be fine.

I don't mean junk food is bad for them. I mean potatoes and corn and milk and whole wheat bread and orange juice and bananas are bad for them. A lot of humans do not do well at ALL with wheat, with fructose, with caseine, and particularly with carbohydrates across the board. A good chunk of our population is very likely intolerant to wheat and caseine for example which results, ironically, in an addictive response; most carbs particularly from those sources have endorphin and other drug-related biochemical issues associated; and some genetic sets are hugely more sensitive and likely to react with profound addiction. Starting with the breakfast cereal + milk much of our culture eats constantly from the time a child is a toddler. This drives a great deal of overeating as well as other problems.

Realize that we as humans are part of the animal kingdom; we're not some special exception to the biological science that goes for every other similar life form on earth. "Feeding behavior" is physiologically-driven and very controllable (meaning you can predict whether they will eat more, eat less, or kill and eat their cage-mates) depending on what you feed that animal.

Overeating as a food-tastes-good behavior happens all the time, but the weight (a) is regulated for a long time in a health body, (b) only stops regulating and starts really gaining when the health begins to suffer-- which is usually far more about the nutrition people are NOT getting than what they are--and (c) rapid and/or excessive weight gain is a problem with the hormonal regulation of fat storage or accessibility; not just about food.

Our culture's carb-driven diet can cause this, quicker if they're raised with bad eating habits, or if their birthmother had blood sugar problems, and if they're genetically inclined, but it usually takes years for that to kick in.

Overeating as a behavior is going to happen when protein/aminos are insufficient and when sugars (which is all carbohydrates that are not insoluble fiber) are high, either let alone both. This is predictable.

In research, people fed dominantly carbohydrates without sufficient full-amino proteins (basically, animal-derived proteins) can literally eat up to 10,000 calories a day and still be able to eat more. But you feed people sufficient protein for their body mass and it's a radically different story. You can't hardly get them to overeat if you TRY. And if they do overeat that, (a) it regulates back to the normal the minute they stop, or (b) they just gain muscle instead of fat.

Overeating is not a MORAL issue. This is like the superstitious religious hysteria of history, for godssakes, people need to grow up. It is driven by BIOLOGY which is driven by food intake--or lack of intake--and modern food is mostly deadly.

Man lived on meat since the dawn of time. Not till 10K years ago did we start grains. Modern veggies have more sugar than a month of summer of the past! Modern bread--let alone soda--is a drug, not a food. And the body creates fat cells to store environmental toxins as a protection measure.

This and much more is why it's such a problem.

Not because they're bad.

[edit on 25-2-2009 by RedCairo]




posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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Obviously the original poster has no real knowledge of obesity or its causes. As a nutrition educator I do.
Obesity can of course be caused by over eating- overly large portion sizes(such as you would find from most fast food places) on a regular basis. Or by eating unhealthy foods such as foods high in fat, and sugar.
But, Obesity can also be caused by genetics- certain family genetics give a person a propensity for obesity, certain DNA abnormalities, and some birth defects can cause obesity, as can many diseases, and /or the medications taken for them.

Just an education for those folks out there who are interested in the subject, look it up, the information is easily available on the internet, just type in the word OBESITY and hit the search button. Wish the original poster had done that.

Lack of knowledge when we have so much at our finger tips is a disgrace.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:05 PM
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They are doing that in Soviet China... It's all the rave there... They are also murdering every single sentient human being who believes in anything but socialism, right now, entire families are being pulled out of their homes, stripped on the street before the entire city, and beaten and tortured to death for owning a bible or a picture of Buddha.

Where did you say you are from? Your avatar name truly suits your heart energy. Good call.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:37 PM
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I find obese people quite attractive and I'm slim!
Everyone else already said what needed to be said eheh.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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The problem with medicine in 'practice' is it's based on knowledge of the past. (I work in textbook publishing and could contradict with extensive legit research references nearly all the textbooks; because their authors were educated 10-20 years ago, by people mostly educated before that.)

Most all the research directly applying to obesity today that is worthy is not only unknown to the majority of 'officially educated' persons and 'official sites' about it but it will probably be a few years before it finally starts gradually filtering down to the front line (if you and nobody you know is dealing with obesity or disease then I'm sure you won't mind). Most of the stuff in the medical field about obesity will tell you to do the very things that have continued for the last decades to make the problem worse.

If you want what's official, just ask the official sources. All that advice has been so useful at curbing the problem so far, right.

For a far better education than anybody could give you in ten minutes, to the American Diabetes Association website. Then google some information about carbohydrate restriction in research. Then go back and look at the sponsors of the ADA -- and what they make.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 09:57 PM
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In some cultures being fat is a sign of social prominence. For example with the Eskimo culture, the fatter the wife the better. One, they can live better through the cold winters and just the fact that she is fat shows the rest of the community that her husband is a good provider. Seriously man your post is ridiculous. Probably in the top 5 of Dumbest Post I have ever seen on here your has to be near the top.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 10:45 PM
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After reading the first couple pages, I tend to agree with what the OP says. Not that fat people shouldn't have children, that's a little much, but the point is ridiculously obvious and valid. If you have a 200lb 10 year old who doesn't have a disorder, for example, hypothyroidism, you're abusing your child.

What strikes me the most are the excuses. If you don't have enough time to exercise, wake up an hour early. If you can't wake up one hour earlier you're just lazy. Many professions require an individual to be up for extended periods of time, like being a physician. Quit whining and go to the gym.

If you have a disorder that directly causes you to be fat, that's understandable.

For those of you who are fat and complaining about not having enough time to workout, what in the hell are you doing on ATS? Why don't you drop the internet for awhile, roll out of your chair and take a walk down the sidewalk?

Do you guys seriously believe that you're not going to go out with a bang? If you're obese, you're going to die a terrible death. You couldn't count the number of fat people that come through my ER who think its all going to be dandy. It's not. Being fat is not ok.

Go exercise. No excuses.

Also, to those of you who keep trying to use the appearance argument, shutup. You're an idiot. The way you look has nothing to do with the point the OP is making. Quit trying to use that red herring BS. The point is that you're shortening you and your child's life.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:03 PM
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well i for one agree with the OP. Parents should take care of thier kids and fat=not healthy=heart attacks and crap...



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by alkali
If you have a 200lb 10 year old who doesn't have a disorder, for example, hypothyroidism, you're abusing your child.


No 10 year old can weigh 200 lbs without having a metabolic imbalance.

That metabolic imbalance CAN be created by a lifetime of carb-overload, protein insufficiency, and inactivity however.

Of course once they've got it it's not like you just 'eat less and move more' and magically everything is all better. 30 billion annual diet industry and the world getting fatter demonstrates that well.

However, no matter how bad the situation, weight training in particular can improve nearly anybody -- if only more people would give it a try.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 11:42 PM
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Interesting topic... but in truth, with a nation that is growing with Fast Food Chains and more commercials about "fun" foods rather than "healthy" foods is a tough market to stay healthy. It adds to the easiness of being obese and why obesity has grown tremendously within the past ten years.

I think being fat (besides the hypothyroidism) is a sign of an unfit and unhealthy person. Running should be a requirement to be a CITIZEN of the United States. Partly the reason why the United States is seen as the laziest country.

I support the idea. If more people would get off their couch and out of their beds, only good would come of it.

As for vegetarians, they still get good amounts of protein through other sources.



posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:21 AM
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You obviously must have been raised by very healthy people.
Tell me something, why is it that my Mother, my Dad, and my Dad in law all have had some issues with their weight, but me and my wife turned out fine? Perhaps I should have ended up in child protective services.
Seems to me that something must have triggered your prejudice toward over weight people.

Sorry, I don't understand why you need to be so disrespectful regarding people you don't even know.

Deny Ignorance!

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posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:36 AM
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feed the fat kids to the skinny kids on food stamps.
End abuse now. Heh. Better yet, take the food stamp kids and put them in foster homes. Gimme a break evil woman.



posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by RedCairo
Most humans do not gain excessive weight quickly without metabolic problems. The body is self-regulating when healthy. Even research that force-feeds or force-diets sees people return to the pre-weight quickly, and even research with subjects that desperately wanted to succeed in weight gain has seen much failure; the body will not balloon just because you can force someone to sit down and eat even 10,000 calories a day.
[edit on 25-2-2009 by RedCairo]


10,000 calories a day is a whole lot for an average size person taking a test. I eat 2600 calories a day along with excercise to maintain my current weight. With 10,000 calories a day for a week I would gain 12-14lbs. I don't know if that would be in the first week because mine or anyone elses body would probably go into shock. Of course I could drop that weight with no problem but I would probably have to slowly back off the caloires or fear my body shutting down. The studies had to have built up to the 10,000 calories over at least a month or two right?

On to my other thoughts. To take someones kids away for them being overweight or not to have kids for being overweight is just wrong. Obesity is a problem brought on by either disease or in most cases just eating unhealthy. There are people out there that are skinny or look healthy that aren't. They still eat all the junk food and fast food but stay in there daily caloric range and never seem to gain weight. You just see it with obese people that eat to many calories. Why do they do it? I have no clue

I wasn't very overweight but used to eat unhealthy and one day I decided to stop because heart disease and obesity run in my family. I stopped eating junk food, fast food, and drinking soda(pop) and lost 15lbs in a month. Most of that was water weight but that didn't matter. It got me started and I have never looked back. Whats funny to maintain my current weight I eat more then I ever did when I was unhealthy.

If you know your daily caloric needs eat 500 less calories a day for a week and that is 3500 calories which equals 1lb of weight loss. Its that easy.



posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS

Lack of knowledge when we have so much at our finger tips is a disgrace.


A-freakin-men dude, this is one of the things that drives me nuts more than anything.
I've never had a problem with my weight, I was raised with good eating habits(but not the best food) and above all, good playing and exercising habits that have stuck with me. I really can't say much on the obesity issue, as I don't know much about it, but if a potentially bad thing can be avoided, then by all means, go for it.



posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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A lof of generalities floating around. There are people with inherited metabolic disorders or infirmities that cause them to become obese despite regular diet and activity. But statistics have show they are rare.

There are kids who eat too much and are overweight but can function normally.

And then there are kids who are grossly overweight - 50 pounds or more, let's say. They will have a radically compromised social life, little opportunity for a normal sex life, never know the simple enjoyment of ordinary activities like running or team sports.

The solution is painfully simple - consume less calories.

If parents deprived their kids of sleep by letting them play video games all night, watch TV, be on the Net - it would be considered neglect. Children are not aware of the harmful results of many things they do. Parents have a responsibility to make sure of certain things to maintain the health and welfare of their child. Make sure they are warm and protected from the elements, they down put in their mouths thing that are poisonous or toxic - and not thousands of calories of food that will impair their health over time.

If parents aren't willing to look after their children properly, there should be something done.

I don't hate fat people, by and large they are to be pitied. The problem has become so endemic, someone weighing 300 pounds is not even unusual any more.

Addiction to excessive eating is probably a source of more health problems and suffering, physical and psychological, that hard drugs or alcohol, in my estimation.

A hundred rationalizations will not change the situation.


Mike F



posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by mmiichael


A lof of generalities floating around. There are people with inherited metabolic disorders or infirmities that cause them to become obese despite regular diet and activity. But statistics have show they are rare.

There are kids who eat too much and are overweight but can function normally.

And then there are kids who are grossly overweight - 50 pounds or more, let's say. They will have a radically compromised social life, little opportunity for a normal sex life, never know the simple enjoyment of ordinary activities like running or team sports.

The solution is painfully simple - consume less calories.



Mike F



I said about the same thing above but wanted to add to what he said. I eat a lot of healthier food just to get the calories I do to maintain my weight that I am currently at. Its amazing if you eat the right stuff you can eat like a horse and not gain weight.

You can find any calorie calculator on the internet that takes into account your activity level and metabolism to get how many calories you need to eat. I just feel at times people just don't want to take the time and effort to lose weight. They have one bad week and say I quit.

Eating less calories does not mean eating less food when it is done right. Its that simple. JUST LESS CALORIES



posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 03:57 AM
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posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 05:23 AM
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Hey mystiq,

I'm always lurking around ATS and so I read many of your posts... never thought I'd agree with you! But on this one you are right on!

I certainly hope the OP was just trying to rile us up to start dialogue and doesn't actually believe that tripe.

First they came for the fat kids...
...then the not-so-smart kids...
...then the short kids...

...and one day there were no kids left at all.



posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 05:48 AM
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My rail thin mother had a heart attack and triple bypass. She ate healthy, walked, and never had previous health problems. Go figure.



posted on Feb, 26 2009 @ 06:02 AM
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Originally posted by alkali
If you're obese, you're going to die a terrible death.


All obese people will die a terrible death?


You say you see alot of obese people come through the E.R. So every single one of them you have seen die a terrible death? Were all of them sick with an obesity related disease? None had viruses, or other illnesses that skinny people might get?

According to the BMI charts, I'm overweight. I could stand to lose a good 40 lbs. I eat healthy. I walk. I take care of myself. I do not over eat, unless you count in a holiday or birthday. I have managed to maintain my weight, and interestingly enough, even though I have not lost, I'm still healthy according to my recent blood work up, echocardiogram, and treadmill test.


Oh and I have come across alot of health care workers in my time, who have personal issues with obese people. They kind of tend to hate fat people and they blame everything on the fact that they are fat. And in my opinion, people who work in the health care field with that attitude, should find another line of work. JMHO

[edit on 26-2-2009 by Asherah]



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