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Originally posted by cjdny
reply to post by saint4God
Why is it that when someone disagrees with the liberal ideology being force fed to the Americans that person is labeled a racist or accused of disparaging a person? You really need a new battle cry. When you change the use of terms no one will understand your point.
The majority of people really don't care about labeled by "Progressives" as whatever new term they feel has a buzz and a zing to it. Go back to watching your TMZ and stay out of the adults conversations.
Originally posted by cjdny
reply to post by saint4God
Why is it that when someone disagrees with the liberal ideology being force fed to the Americans that person is labeled a racist or accused of disparaging a person?
Originally posted by cjdny
You really need a new battle cry. When you change the use of terms no one will understand your point.
Originally posted by cjdny
The majority of people really don't care about labeled by "Progressives" as whatever new term they feel has a buzz and a zing to it. Go back to watching your TMZ and stay out of the adults conversations.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Well, well, well...page 19, and as usual, the locomotive is going off the tracks.
I suggest some recent posters take a deep breath, have a cup of coffee (as if you need MORE caffeine!) and re-read page 1.
I had to go back to re-read it, because I was getting thrown off by the sniping and agenda-mongering that is being displayed.
There is a Certificate of Live Birth, from the State (yes, it WAS a State in 1961) of Hawai'i. There was a clear majority in the popular vote (something like 7 million...clear enough for ya?).
This soldiers' claims seem to be based mostly on igorance and innuendo, fed mostly by right-wing media.
Originally posted by saint4God
I haven't labeled anyone. I myself disagree with liberal ideology. The accusation of disparagement was from someone saying "You are an idiot" and the like. You don't think this is disparaging? ( www.merriam-webster.com... ). Also notice I'd pointed out that the person accusing someone else of being racist was making a racist remark. ..
Regarding adult conversations, it is my age group and see no reason for exclusion nor even age discrimination for those who are mature enough to discuss such matters.
[edit on 26-2-2009 by saint4God]
Originally posted by uaocteaou
You can't break a law because you "have doubts". In my timein the service I would never leave my buddies swinging in the breeze because I have "doubts", and he's going t jail, of that I'm fairly certain. You don't defy a lawful order given by your commanding officer, much less the commander in chief because you have "doubts" you better have some poof.
He has no constitutional authority to do wht he's doing.
I don't feel sorry for him at all, I feel sorry for the soldier who has to take his place because he's afrad.
Originally posted by Bunch
reply to post by jd140
Dude,
For all I know you just a new member trying to get some attention, I been here for a while and have posted about my military experience for quite a while and for a wide range of issues.
Not a soldier but an airman that has served in Iraq TWICE!... I hated Bush and HATED even more the War In Iraq a war which is legality was always in question, I went I did my job because that was what I sign up to, I didnt sign up in the Air Force to be a politician but I did remember that oath that I took about following the orders of those appointed over me.
Thats why the Army is the way it is, from top to bottom all you have is people doing whatever they want. Leaders have lost control of the Army for quite a while now...
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by dankai
No, dan.....What part of the words 'certificate' and 'birth' are you missing there?
Symantics.
Scroll back a few pages...there is a post from a bloke who had no trouble getting a US Passport based on HIS 'cetificate of live birth'.
Originally posted by uaocteaou
reply to post by dankai
Of course it's my opinion, just the same as EVERYTHING you have posted is your opinion. The problem is that you attack the people who disagree with you. That stifles discussion.
I've been in the service, I've been to Iraq, So what I say does have some bearing in reality regarding military service, and the law.
You don't put others on the line to fight your battles, after you signed the papers to join. Jesus, it's not like he was drafted into the service.
*edited to remove sacasm*
[edit on 26-2-2009 by uaocteaou]
Originally posted by dankai
Are you kidding?
Originally posted by dankai
You just labled me a racist and I made no racist remark! Where did I make a RACIST remark?
Originally posted by dankai
And just because someone is old enough to discuss matters of our "age group" doesn't mean they are...how did you put it..."mature enough to discuss such matters."
Originally posted by dankai
Originally posted by uaocteaou
reply to post by dankai
Of course it's my opinion, just the same as EVERYTHING you have posted is your opinion. The problem is that you attack the people who disagree with you. That stifles discussion.
I've been in the service, I've been to Iraq, So what I say does have some bearing in reality regarding military service, and the law.
You don't put others on the line to fight your battles, after you signed the papers to join. Jesus, it's not like he was drafted into the service.
*edited to remove sacasm*
[edit on 26-2-2009 by uaocteaou]
Just because you were in the service doesn't mean you understand the law. Many, and I mean almost every one, of my military buddies care not about politics or the like. All they know is what they're told. Most don't even know WHY we are fighting! They think it's do defend our freedom here. What utter nonsense!
I always ask them, why are you fighting in a war that you care not to understand? The silence is deafening.
Originally posted by dankai
If he were registered as being born in Hawaii, Barack Obama must have a certified paper copy, with embossed stamp and seal, or he could request one. But what his campaign has put forward as genuine, according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy.It is not valid
The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate.
However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature.
according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy.It is not valid
To verify we did have the correct document, we contacted the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records.
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo said after we e-mailed her our copy. source