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A new Time Travel Paradox - Law of Conservation of Energy

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posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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I had a strange dream, and woke up thinking.. hmm that's a new paradox to add to the Time Travel list.

check it out..
According to The Law of Conservation

The law of conservation of energy states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant. A consequence of this law is that energy cannot be created or destroyed.

(this "isolated system" is our universe...)

ok that's a given, most people with an average education level understand this.

So you take a time machine.. and remove it from say.. the year 2050 and bring it back to the year 2002.

You would have to have REMOVED the matter of the time machine and it's contents, ie: travellers etc.. from that area of time of 2050 in the universe..

and placed that same matter INTO the area of time of 2002 in the universe

thus creating MORE matter in the area of time in 2002, than was before the time machine's arrival..
and causing LESS matter to exist in the area of time in 2050, than was before the time machine left.


so the solution to this paradox in the development of time travel, is that matter AND/ OR energy cannot time travel (except the typical travel it takes into the future as we go day to day obviously..)

but INFORMATION COULD.

so the only way it could be accomplished is by the same method of technology as a molecular transporter ... like in star trek or "the fly" ..

in essence.. you could only really "make" matter that already exists in your time.. INTO the SHAPE and arrangement.. of what is attempting to time travel into your time.

so to ever time travel into the past.. you'd have to somehow "send information" into the past.. the BLUEPRINTS of how to create a molecular transporter.. so the people in the past would create one.. so that you could beam your "information of how you're arranged" ... into it... otherwise there's no other method of going back in the past, unless you want to try to break the law of conservation...

OR we have a completely misunderstood set of laws of physics.. and other laws apply in the future or whatever..
just going by what i know we know.


so time travel HAS to be the transmission of information from molecular "beamers" that don't "move matter" .. but "rearrange pre-existing matter exclusive to that time frame.

don't you agree?

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posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 08:33 PM
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The paradox issue is a barrier preventing time travel within set timelines in the same universe. The conservation of energy is another reason why matter and energy within one timeline can't be moved around.

This issue is side-stepped via coexisting timelines in parallel realities. When you travel in time, you're not travelling within the timeline your consciousness considers 'home' - you're shifting tracks to a parallel timeline, one where that specific matter and energy never existed.

Time travel is not travel through time (since time measures point A to B in a particular timeline), it's travel between dimensions to a new timeline. What I'm still trying to figure out is whether the travel creates the destination, or it always existed prior to your arrival.

I do agree however, that time travel is in actuallity data transfer since we are all a form of data in the subatomic levels - the energy zapping between synapses in our brains could be all that's tranferred between worlds.

[edit on 23/2/09 by Evasius]



posted on Feb, 23 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by Evasius
The paradox issue is a barrier preventing time travel within set timelines in the same universe. The conservation of energy is another reason why matter and energy within one timeline can't be moved around.

This issue is side-stepped via coexisting timelines in parallel realities. When you travel in time, you're not travelling within the timeline your consciousness considers 'home' - you're shifting tracks to a parallel timeline, one where that specific matter and energy never existed.

Time travel is not travel through time (since time measures point A to B in a particular timeline), it's travel between dimensions to a new timeline. What I'm still trying to figure out is whether the travel creates the destination, or it always existed prior to your arrival.

I do agree however, that time travel is in actuallity data transfer since we are all a form of data in the subatomic levels - the energy zapping between synapses in our brains could be all that's tranferred between worlds.

[edit on 23/2/09 by Evasius]



well what's to say that both travelling between timelines AND travelling within one's own timeline isn't possible.. what explains this barrier?
where's the canonical definition of this process?

and even if that's the situation.. then one could travel to another timeline that say has the most miniscule deviation possible from the one you left .. say they're exactly identical , except one grain of sand on a deserted island is shifted one nanometer to the left as compared to the one you left.. where it was shifted one nanometer to the right..

that would be an example of two timelines.. one where the sand's in one position. .one where that one grain is in another.. then obviously extrapolate that fractally to more and more deviations until one timeline completely unrepresentative of the other..
i'm saying if you're going to use that logic.. (if it's official top level research definitive belief of the subject...)

then you would aim to travlel from one timeline to another that's VIRTUALLY indistinguishable from your original one.. with the most MINOR difference existing..
you'd still be traveling from timeline to timeline.. but so identical that the probability of your goals would be most successful in manifesting.







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so..
to continue my train of thought (thanks for the comment)..

back with the conservation of energy...
maybe I shouldn't be so foolish in thinking that this hasn't been thought of before.. obviously it must have.

another idea expanding upon the idea that only INFORMATION can drastically travel in time..

that possibly .. in the grand attempt to alter the past.. that crop circles are methods of humans in the future somehow altering events in their past (our future)...
through information.. to display diagrams in the fields..
for top level scientists here. .to descipher and experiment with..
what if crop circles illustrate the ideas.. physics and blueprints neccessary for us now to create the technology for the transfer of information to exist?
they're done in such a "temporary" means.. that they only just "arrange" pre-existing matter in order to display information.. ie: they're not actually "transporting" the time machine back into the past.. they're just showing us how to create it.

this could be in an attempt to inform us now. of how to best implement ourselves and protect ourselves for a coming cataclysm...
ie: could the last crop circles made.. after a flurry of them were made all last summer.. almost 2 a day for 6 months.. then ending abruptly in mid-october of 08.. the last ones being.. in a place they've never appeared before.. Brazil..
could these simple circles in Brazil point to the location of a new north pole? where after the cataclysm's pole shift.. this is a noteable geographic region as to wich we can use as a reference point to forecast the future arrangement of geography in the "new world order" that will exist literally after said pole shift?

another thing to note is this...
en.wikipedia.org...

John Dee (13 July 1527 – 1608 or 1609) was a noted English mathematician, astronomer, astrologer, geographer, occultist, and consultant to Queen Elizabeth I. He also devoted much of his life to the study of alchemy, divination, and Hermetic philosophy.


It's been removed from the wiki page, but I remember reading about how Dee, through magick ritual practice, communicated with what he termed the "macrobes" higher intelligence of a higher dimension.



he did this through the portal of specific diagrams and glyph type diagrams (not to dissimilar to those we find in crop circles) ..

if the humans of the future were suffering from a terrible dead-end in their genome.. an incureable genetic disorder.. and wished to "return" to bodies that were more in tune more pure .. more human..
then they could only retrieve that information from the very dna that existed in blood..
such is rumored to have been demanded by the macrobes during their ritual communication sessions.
possibly diring these sessions .. the only trade occuring was that of information.. and they were retrieving the vital DNA information of pure humans .. which were the ones being sacrificed...

possibly these "macrobes".. come to us and inhabit bodies of the "grays" .. mere "biological machines" who's sole purpose is to combine efforts with our top scientists.. in order to create a biology in which both their souls and ours.. can inhabit..
that is if there is a method of quantifying the soul into a binary code .. a packet of information descriptive of the personality and experience of the person.. human or macrobe..

to avoid the cataclysm of 2012.. and be as well prepared for the coming chaos as possible.. gleaning as much help from "us from the future" .. those whom have all the information about it ... to help them and us..


just a thought.


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