YES! Tennessee Introducing 10th Amendment Bill!, page 2


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reply posted on 23-2-2009 @ 10:58 PM by j2000
reply to post by antar



Maybe here is a part of that feeling.

How many states are we up to? Is it 35 yet?
With that many, they can do almost anything to the Feds.

Look at the voting states. There might be more population in some blue states per say, but the red one's outnumber them.


reply posted on 23-2-2009 @ 11:29 PM by bfitz92
reply to post by skeptic1



yes about 11 or 12 states have PASSED bills similar to this now i believe.


reply posted on 23-2-2009 @ 11:40 PM by DrMattMaddix
States aren't going to secede from the UNITED States of America (except perhaps Hawaii, I haven't read their bill yet but the descriptions sound like it.)

States aren't making a "token" statement either.
Nothing like this has ever happened in our history at this level!

This is history in the making! We are stressing our constitution to it's limit, just like the federal mandates have pushed the envelope of nullifying the constitution. These are exciting times.

RE: Why didn't we do this during the past 8 years? How soon you forget. Because as a nation we were still shaken by 9/11; Remember that day that you spent on the phone calling everyone that you knew sharing your disbelief.

Inside job or not, we were told there are terrorists behind every Bush; and that we needed to root them out no matter the deepest darkest cave we had to send our troops into, we would prevail!

Wow, a war on terror that the feds could drag out into infinitum... Lucrative! Oops, did I say that?

If that meant the patriot act ... we grudgingly complied although I know most everyone hated the idea; but obviously as a nation we all felt it was for the greater good No one screamed loud enough.

Even the stanchest Obama supporters are rethinking things. This is not just a splash in the ATS forums. This is really happening.

It's exciting to see America wake up as if it was headed towards a World War but knowing, with confidence, that as a great nation, we are obliged to argue Common Sense and win.

Is our collective common sense finally coming around... unfamiliar to you? is that what feels strange to you? =)

Jeez, I'm starting to sound like Right Winger; I'll step off my soap box now...

After one more thing... Obama is looking so much more middle road...

Dunno if that's a good thing... America Gone WiLD


reply posted on 24-2-2009 @ 12:31 AM by bigfoot1212
reply to post by dragonridr



yeah and a stimulus that doesn't go to anyone or states but rich people. i said before in a different thread if you want to stimulate the economy give it to the people who need it not those who don't. think about it- if i can't afford my mortgage car payment etc the banks will get their money back anyway from us poor people paying them because we now have the money to pay them. instead they want to use teh money to buy a 50 million dollar jet and all execs get big bonuses! how the f is that a stimulus?
rich get richer while poor get poorer. reminds of what i learned in high school about history and the medieval ages. we have become serfs.


reply posted on 24-2-2009 @ 12:45 AM by Illusionsaregrander
Originally posted by Southern Guardian

The fact these individuals from typically red states are now going on about independence but stood firm behind what was a prior unconstitutional government and war shows this typically bends over election bitterness.



I can only speak for myself, but I am not bitter over the election. At all. The person I expected to win, did win. I am not saying I think he was the best candidate, I am disillusioned with both the Democratic party and the Republican party. It has seemed to me that despite what they say, and all their cheerleading to their die hard fans, they really do not CHOOSE differently when it comes to actions not words. They are far more alike than different in the matters that matter most to me. Particularly the issue of corporate rights and benefits vs we the human peoples rights and benefits. What I am saying is I am not disgruntled by the election at all. I knew there was no possibility of a third party candidate winning this election even as I cast my vote for one, and quite frankly, between the two teams who did stand a chance of getting into the White House, I did prefer Obama/Biden over McCain/Palin.

The reason I would support some of these types of protests by states are not because of what Obama has or has not done as President. But because of what happened just before the election. The outcry from the American people NOT to bail out the banks was enormous. And entirely disregarded. By virtually everyone. Including Obama. He voted for the bailouts too.

I know they all think they know better than we do what is needed. But really, they are the fools that got us into this mess. And, we hire them to represent OUR wishes, despite the fact that for decades promising whatever you want when campaigning has meant that you can do what you want once in office. This one time, we wanted what WE wanted. Not for our leaders to blow us all off when we were loud and vocal and begging, pleading and threatening them to prevent them from passing that bailout. And here we are, handing out MORE money just months later.

This really isnt about Obama in my opinion. The fact that he was not a dissenting voice to any of this makes it easier not to extend to him any undue sympathy as a new President. This is about all the threats, and pleas, and argument sent the way of Congress regarding the bailout. You cannot threaten your leaders and not follow through if you expect them to become more responsive. Because they all, including then Senator Obama, blithely ignored the people, on the rare occasion the people were truly proactive, I think we have no choice but to send them a message, even if it is only symbolic.


reply posted on 24-2-2009 @ 02:36 AM by Ahabstar
reply to post by Southern Guardian



I'll clear up a few perceptions you may have, especially since my previous post looked like "Woo, Go Vols!" as though I were a rednecked, beer guzzling, inbred, hill jack brier hopper...well one leg is a little longer than the other, the people of TN will get that joke.

My grandfather was the valor victorian of his graduating class, but the best was offered was a partial scholarship to a small college. But it wasn't enough and he could afford to go. His brother Ova (pronounced O-Vee) did indeed work in the coal mines and helped provide for his mother and brother by dropping out of high school. They both valued education but times were hard then. Sacrifices had to be done. Kinda like what people will be facing shortly should the economy continue this spiral.

So both Grandpa and Uncle Ova were brought up right, and despite the times and area they grew up. They both followed the philosophy that a person should be judged on their merits and only condemned for their flaws, so neither one was racist. In fact, some would say that was quite progressive. Now grandpa had a large family and lamented that he couldn't send any of his children to college. Ova had a small family and his wife Flora came from a bit of money. In fact, some of her relations paid for part of the Sunsphere for the 1982 World's Fair.

Aunt Flora was rather high up in the educational system in TN and while I was touring colleges she arranged for me to have an interview with Lamar Alexander when I visited UT.

Lamar and I talked about different things during that interview and as soon as I said that my major would be theater he wanted an example of my ability at Storytelling. Now Storytelling is considered quite an art form in that area and it is not so much the story itself, but how you go about telling it that makes a difference. It doesn't translate to text well, even if you throw all grammar and punctuation out the window.

So I just told one off my head about performing on Fountain Square in Cincinnati without a microphone and being heard about the sound of the fountains. It wasn't a great story and we both admitted to that but he said it was good enough but he wanted to hear it another one with a Southern accent. After hitting a few and having him call out where it was from like Georgia and Louisiana, dropped into old Uncle Remus story about Br'er Rabbit in a rough Elvis impersonation.

He laughed and asked me to consider UT. It was because of that interview I worked harder to learn a new art form. So much in fact, that even today friends will ask me how long it is going to take when I tell a story. I did end up attending UT for a semester and if I could have gone to Lamar about some financing and scholarships, I may have been able to graduate. Unfortunately Bush Sr. tapped him to become Sec. of Education. I am glad to see Lamar continue to serve the people of TN. I may have to drop him a line to see if he supports this legislation.
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