YES! Tennessee Introducing 10th Amendment Bill!

Ever since the other states have introduced their 10th Amendent bill, I have been hoping Tennessee would follow them and put one in place too.

Today, they have. A bill is being introduced, but is not yet in committees to discuss it. But it reads as the others have, it claims Sovereignty from the Federal Govt.

link: www.capitol.tn.gov...

It says it wants a repeal of the assumption of powers and mandates by the Federal Govt. It says it will still be a friend, but will maintain the constitution. It also says the stopping of the abuses of power of the Federal Govt.


I am thrilled!! I hope it gets into committees fast and gets passed fast!

I really hope this goes through for you guys in your states.... unfortunately here in the UK, we have no way of escaping our tyrant leaders so I'm a little jealous.

[edit on 23/2/2009 by spitefulgod]

reply to post by questioningall


Have any of the states actually passed legislation akin to this yet or are the bills/proposals still sitting around in planning phases or in committees??

QA my dear friend, you of all people I expect to hold back on the cheer leading and get down to what in fact is the morbid truth behind this move, why did this not happen before now in the past 8 years of hell?

What is this really going to mean for America? I dont trust it, I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach as I know you do too about this.

Is it simply a measure to keep the gov from having to pay when the catastrophe they know is going to hit happens?

I have a few other choice ideas as to what this could really mean, but I will save it for now...

Staying neutral just now is a wise choice QA and you know it.

Holy cow,what does this all mean and why?

I am so confused lately.

I hope road construction goes to states, and States collecting tax money stops paying the fed. Guhhh fed govt

ps i just started buying Pennsylvania wine (thats where I live). even better, i havent had enough time as 21 yrs old to know the difference bt other wine and mine, and mine taste pretty good (haha!)


yaay local

I was talking to my political science teacher about all of the 20+ states that have now declared sovereignty under the 10th amendment and this is what he said:

"There are couple things going on here. First, part of this is a response to federal mandates in legislation, particularly the earlier resolutions that were passed in the 1990s. However, usually these mandates are contingent upon federal funding so states are not "forced" to comply with them - it is only because they choose to accept federal funding. Second, these seem to be a push by states' rights advocates, mainly Republicans, who are not happy that the federal government is intervening so much in the economy right now. In both cases, states have recourse through the federal court system to challenge federal authority. These declarations of sovereignty are merely symbolic gestures by state legislatures."

"What I mean by symbolic is that they have no real policy impact even when they are passed. Resolutions normally are declarations of sentiment about a particular issue, which is what these legislatures are doing. They are expressing their discontent with something the federal government has done. This is why you don't hear much about it in the mainstream news because these resolutions are not going to change the fundamental relationship between these states and the federal government. That would have to be done in the U.S. Supreme Court. States can challenge this relationship on specific issues through the courts as they frequently do, but no one particular act is going to make wholesale changes to the current relationship (except a federal Constitutional amendment)."

"We went off the gold standard in the 1930s. Generally, the thought is that governments cannot influence the economy as well when they are attached to a gold standard. This is important when our economy takes a downturn because the federal government, and the Federal Reserve Board in particuarly, are who we look to to help get us out of these recessions. Normally, the Fed adjusts interest rates which either spur economic growth or attempt to fight inflation, depending on the problem. Since this tool has been exhausted (rates are pretty much at zero now, which is the lowest they can go), the Fed is using other tools (loan guarantees, etc) to help our banks stay in business. The more banks that go out of business, the worse off our economy will do."

So is this true, are these declarations only 'symbolic' and are we getting excited for nothing? I'm completely lost when it comes to this sort of thing so I'm trying to hear both sides of the story.

canadafreepress.com...

Check this out, I suggest you check this out,

This is very interesting,

I must use words many many words, else they take my points.
What topic am I on, I'm losing track?

The Key Maneuvers

Over twenty state legislatures have now initiated efforts to reclaim state rights and state sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment in the US Constitution and that number is growing every day. This is a VERY strong indicator that the states are “fed” up with heavy handed usurpations of Constitutional restrictions on federal powers.

Weapons and ammunition sales sky rocketed a year before the 2008 election cycle as Americans obviously sensed a growing need to provide for their own safety and security looking forward. Americans continue to build up private arsenals at a record pace, but in preparation for what?

Key members of congress, many state legislators, millions of private citizens and now US military leaders are pursuing Obama birth and college records that could very well prove that Obama is constitutionally ineligible to serve in the office he currently holds. If successful, the matter will ignite an impending constitutional crisis the likes of which have never before been seen in the United States. It will certainly ignite civil unrest in cities across America, as a fraudulent usurper who was supported by 66 million voters, is removed from office.

Private investors are fleeing from a market which is losing any sense of freedom hour by hour as the Democratic Socialists running Washington DC via their Congressional Progressive Caucus, digs their claws deeper and deeper into the free market economy in an unprecedented effort to “nationalize” banking, energy, transportation, communication, public health, and basically, anything they think brings cash flow into the fed treasury. The DOW continues its slide into the abyss as the fed seeks a deeper grip on private industry and property. The DOW has now pushed below 7300 as I write, headed towards 7000 and nobody knows where the bottom is.

A growing number of state governors are threatening to reject alleged fed “bailout” money as they learn that the fed is using those funds to dictate to the states with a heavy hand. As people become more and more familiar with the train wreck spending spree Obama signed into law last week, and all of the strings attached, they realize that it is not a “bail out” of the free market economy, but a “buy out” of private industry and state powers and they don’t like it.

Tax Revolt – Tea Party movements are popping up all over the nation. The people are sick and tired of being told that even in financial crisis caused by the fed, they must tighten their belts in support of the fed. Taxes go up over and over because governments overspend their budgets over and over. Taxpayers are tired of tightening their belts at home, just to continue funding what is clearly a losing proposition. t

by Antar

in fact is the morbid truth behind this move, why did this not happen before now in the past 8 years of hell?

What is this really going to mean for America? I dont trust it, I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach as I know you do too about this.

Is it simply a measure to keep the gov from having to pay when the catastrophe they know is going to hit happens?

I know, I have wondered quite a few times since these 10th amendment bills have come out "Where were they, when we were losing all our rights the past 8 years?" I can only hope they are doing this, due to protecting their states citizens, as they may know more of what is going on then we do. Do they know in the near future, the Federal Govt. won't be able to give the states any money? So they are protecting us from martial law etc? And why didn't they do this a few years ago?

by anonymous

We went off the gold standard in the 1930s. Generally, the thought is that governments cannot influence the economy as well when they are attached to a gold standard.

I was paying attention to what you were saying, until you got to this point.
We went off the gold standard in 1971. In the 30's is when gold was confiscated from the American people.

So in saying that, I will take the other things you wrote with less impact, due to you being wrong about that point. Now, I do know and understand the states are obligated to the Fed. due to the fact they take money from the Fed. But, if things get out of hand, by having the sovereignty bills in place, the states could then say "Thanks but no thanks".

Awesome news. I really needed to hear something to cheer me up. My material grandfather was from Tennessee and told me the stories of growing up and having his hometown end up in the bottom of a man made lake when the TVA came in and basically said move or learn to swim.


Maybe they could change flag to something more informative?




[edit on 24-2-2009 by Ahabstar]

The REVOLOUTION that is coming in this country is LONG overdue. Too bad congress and the president has no clue that it is even underway.

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Ill say it once and Ill say again, this is nothing but more hype within the conspiracy theory community, especially those on the right of the political spectrum, disgruntled conservates and Paulers. The bills are frivolous at best and offer little more than attempt to gain attention. Just like the BC lawsuits launched in conjunction, just the IRS one, just like some of those cross state calls by a minority for "the replacement of all in government" these bills are nothing more than stunts.

The fact these individuals from typically red states are now going on about independence but stood firm behind what was a prior unconstitutional government and war shows this typically bends over election bitterness.

I said this in a prior thread, within weeks, maybe months anti-liberal folks will have something else to come up with. Always some excuse. Iv always given each president a chance, Iv given them each atleast two years to prove themselves and their decisions because I feel we should hear them out fairly and objectively, not on ideological lines. I did it with Bush, I did it with clinton etc. Folks should pony up and really not allow one to go ahead of itself.

Seriously Im going to love posting a thread in a month or so asking yall what happened to this "new conservative independence" movement of yours.

Thank QA for the reply, I look up to you for your uncanny ability to snoop out a story and dig for the real conspiracies that seem to unfold in your truly inspiring news scoops.

PLEASE start doing some of the new media sections and get some video up of your thoughts and opinions on all of your stories. Do some travel and get some live commentaries of interviews or something.

You have a huge respective fan base of ats members and it would just be awesome for you to take it to the next level.

I had posted a couple of links on this on Feb 22 2009 on another thread...
I will copy my post and you can check out the information I had added...
It has some different links to it...Here is that post...

You are right in my opinion...( It is war against the American people)

They sneak this stuff in as low key as they can to get away with it...

I think our states know a lot more about what is coming than they let us little people know...Because if they did not why would so many be reinstating our right under the tenth amendment to Sovereignty...???

Here is a update about the states...

www.mrstep.com...

This link says ...25 states... have now claimed or are in the process of declaring Sovereignty ...You can follow the links to the individual States for their own Government links to back this article up...

I looked at the links for Tennessee and was very proud to see we have stepped up to be a part of the list...

I got this link from a Alex Jones article...Here is the link to that page...

www.infowars.com...

The link is below the United States map with all of the green,yellow and white colored states on it...

I think the POOP is really fixing to hit the fan...

If not why would all this claiming Sovereignty be going on in the first place...

I believe the states not claiming Sovereignty are in for some deep trouble...(well worse than those attempting to stand up at least)

I am worried about what is going to happen next...

It seems to me to be a perfect time for another false flag event to scare the crap out of everyone...

I can't help but wonder if on June 20th 2009 that Black Jack article just might be a real warning of what might be coming next...???

These are just my thoughts...

Who can blame anyone for being paranoid with all that is going on...???

Here is the thread link if you are interested in what the conversation was about...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I live in Tennessee so I was glad to see something being said about what is going on...

I have to admit I am worried about all of this...It is like the States are being pushed and us Citizens too...Maybe the Fed wants to start a Revolution...I have a bad feeling about all this like things are becoming a ticking time bomb...

[edit on 23-2-2009 by sapphirearaidia]

[edit on 23-2-2009 by sapphirearaidia]

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Big star for you! Will probably be the only one

You are right on. I think the next bandwagon we'll see people getting on will be the Santelli thing. It's frustrating and funny all at once to watch!

reply to post by Southern Guardian


They may well be "stunts" as you call them. I consider any action better than inaction. Senators and Congressmen on both the federal and state levels have been taken aback by all the attention,the jobs they do have garnered,since the initial bailout. The massive amounts of correspondence they recieve profing opinions. These "stunts" have been called for by the voters. Several of my friends and I have written our state officals about our tenth amendment rights for several years.

Sometimes people just say enough is enough. It is far easier to have an effect on state government. 20 or 30 states will have an effect on the how the federal government treats its citizens.

And no for my part this has nothing to do with the new administration.So far it has been little more than a small blister on a severe wound. The severe wound being when the states became subject to an overbearing federal government.

I applaud the great state of Tennessee!!

Sorry I tried to fix my links and couldn't get them to work right here they are...

www.mrstep.com...the link for this one is here...

www.mrstep.com...


www.infowars.com...the link for this one is here...

www.infowars.com...

Sorry this is so confusing...I am tired and guess I don't have good sense tonight...

But...I wanted to share my links to this conversation...As backup...

Wish New York would do the same thing, but New York is way too corrupted

reply to post by questioningall


This is awesome. My hope is that every state will do this, and the Fed will think again.

Then again, I have to admit, that deep down, what I want is a revolution. Not a bloody one where people get killed, but really, I believe that this country is wayyyy over-due for another revolution.

Sometimes, a place just gets so corrupt, that no change of leadership matters anymore. I work in hospitals, and I see this happen over and over again. A hospital goes bad, and it gets taken over and over again by different companies, trying to get it to work right, but there is some kind of "energy" about it, that just hangs on, and no amount of "reform" can get it to work properly, because the culture of the hospital is so....bad. The only hope is to shut it down and open a new one.

I think sometimes our federal government has gotten so corrupt, that the only chance to save our country is to just shut down the Federal government and start a new one.

Seriously...imagine this scenario: 300 million Americans decide: You know what? I don't approve of what my government is doing, so I'm going to stop paying taxes. If you guys want to keep hanging out in Washington, that's fine. Have a blast. But we're not sending our tax money to you anymore.

Instead, we're going to set up a NEW capital, let's say....oh, someplace in the midwest or the southwest or southeast or the northwest....anywhere but near Washington. And don't mind us, but the only thing we're going to bring with us is the Constitution. We're going to wipe the law books clean, start from scratch, and learn our lessons.

Now, that would be very effective, very peaceful, no bloodshed, no screaming ,no yelling. We'll just move the capital out of Washington, and "forget" to tell our government!






[edit on 23-2-2009 by nikiano]

Ahhhh...I was double checking my links to make sure they were working and now from what that first link says it is up to 27 States making a move in this direction...

And Hawaii is claiming complete Secession from the U.S. ....
They say they were never really a part of the United States to start with...

That is a good link to keep up with all of the states doing this...
Here it is again ...

www.mrstep.com...

Things are really getting hairy in my opinion...