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reply posted on 12-3-2009 @ 12:33 PM by B.A.C.
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1. Nope. wouldn't change a thing.

2. If they would turn against me, NP, just like "sims" they can be deleted from The Book of Life.

Who is the Clay to question the Potter?



reply posted on 19-3-2009 @ 12:32 AM by jackflap
Originally posted by B.A.C.
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1. Nope. wouldn't change a thing.

2. If they would turn against me, NP, just like "sims" they can be deleted from The Book of Life.

Who is the Clay to question the Potter?



Well we know God didn't just delete anything. He is perfect and knew all too well what would happen. It is a much bigger picture.


reply posted on 19-3-2009 @ 02:09 AM by dragonking76
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I was merely stating an "If I Were God" dialogue. ...or perhaps an "If The Average American Were God" dialogue.

"Guidelines" would not apply to a human if he/she were God.

I see what you're saying, but "If I Were God" are promises really promises to me?

Would I COMPLAIN about how hard it was to create everything?

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reply posted on 19-3-2009 @ 04:09 AM by Astyanax
God is not good, or else he is not omnipotent
An omnipotent being can never be a moral being. Having a moral code means one is barred from doing certain things, even if one is theoretically capable of them. Thus a perfectly good God would not be able to do evil even if He wished to. Therefore God cannot be omnipotent. Christians and other monotheists cannot have it both ways: either their God is good, or He is omnipotent.

God is not free to choose, or else he is not omniscient
As someone else pointed out, Divine Omniscience eliminates free will - for if everything is known in advance there is no possibility of choosing between actions: the choice is already known, therefore it is already made. Incidentally, this is true not only of created beings but also of their creator. That's right, folks: an omniscient being has no free will; he already knows what he's gong to do.

God is either just like us, or else he is not the Creator
It would seem as if God, in order to create the world, would probably need to be limited in the scope of His knowledge, as well as amoral.

Further, it may be argued that He would need to be limited in His capabilities, as well. Consider: the act of creation is always a step into the unknown. This is, indeed, the very source of the joy and fulfilment creation brings its creator - to behold something that has never been seen before, and know that one has created it. This is also why a creator - an artist, an inventor, a writer - is always rather surprised by the way his work turns out in the end.

Funnily enough, we read of just this kind of surprise being expressed by God in the Pentateuch, for example when the Israelites begin worshipping the Golden Calf and when men start to build the Tower of Babel. He also, I believe, expresses his disappointment and regret at the way his work has turned out at some point during the story of Noah's Flood.

Clearly, this suggests that God isn't very good at foreseeing the future.

Another of the joys of creation - a very perverse joy it is, too - is in the struggle towards perfection. As much as anything else this is a struggle with one's materials. I pity an omnipotent creator, who might bring what materials he pleases into existence and shape them as he wills. He's missing half the fun.


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 05:54 PM by MatrixProphet
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1. You are the creator. You are perfect and can do no wrong. Your plan (The one we live under now) is about to be willed into existence. Look around. At your own circumstances, at someone else and their circumstances. It was known from the beginning. Would you change said plan or would you trust that God has assured us His plan will not fail.

2. Would you have created free will and love knowing that free will may take your creation away from you.



#1. Let's look at God in a different light. Perfect does not necessarily mean: all knowing. Nor does it mean that He doesn't learn and by learning - change. He came into our existence fully equipped and exacting. This is not to say that he wasn't NEW at his early endeavors. It does not mean that He/It is not learning by his experience - now.

Isn't it possible that he has changed "said" plan many times over? Or at least that we have not been made privy to his actual plans?

#2. We are lemmings, we are not that important. If we choose to live in the light it works for our benefit as we tend to get his attention. But the choice is up to us. I do not think we are as valuable as we would like to think, but everything has its purpose and finality. It is more; how do WE fit? The information is put out there for us to search out. There are plenty to replace us if we don't.

"Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." - Will Rogers


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 06:42 PM by MatrixProphet
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knowledgefall said it well on a thread dealing with the subject of; omnipotence and omniscient qualities of God:

"If you are omnipotent, you can change the future. If you are omniscient, you have no need to."

My thoughts are brief.

"Let what will happen, happen. Those that are different will be different and conceivably will be the fittest to move forward and fulfill a far bigger picture than the rudimentary life mankind lives now. We are still only part way through the evolution of man, in God's plan."


Further, it may be argued that He would need to be limited in His capabilities, as well. Consider: the act of creation is always a step into the unknown. This is, indeed, the very source of the joy and fulfilment creation brings its creator - to behold something that has never been seen before, and know that one has created it. This is also why a creator - an artist, an inventor, a writer - is always rather surprised by the way his work turns out in the end.

Funnily enough, we read of just this kind of surprise being expressed by God in the Pentateuch, for example when the Israelites begin worshipping the Golden Calf and when men start to build the Tower of Babel. He also, I believe, expresses his disappointment and regret at the way his work has turned out at some point during the story of Noah's Flood.


Yes, being a NEW inventor has its downside!


Clearly, this suggests that God isn't very good at foreseeing the future.



Or chooses not to be. After all, it is all in the Game!


Another of the joys of creation - a very perverse joy it is, too - is in the struggle towards perfection. As much as anything else this is a struggle with one's materials. I pity an omnipotent creator, who might bring what materials he pleases into existence and shape them as he wills. He's missing half the fun.



You don't think watching man act like gerbils all climbing all over each other (like in a cage), all wanting to climb to the top, isn't entertaining?

Ahhh, but it is those who don't follow the script that make it all worthwhile!
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