Obama vs. Rush: A Conservative Perspective!

Originally posted by OldThinker
In Scripture we are instructed to respect and obey government authorities

What are you talking about and where did you get this quote?

I don't have to respect government authorities if I don't find what they do respectful or right. I certainly don't have to obey them.

What does this have to do with anything?

reply to post by OldThinker


Religion has nothing to do with this. I respect the positions; I have little to no respect for most of the people who fill those government positions, especially in the federal government.

I take anything they try to spoon feed us with a grain of salt and form my own opinions from my own research and voice them accordingly.

Trying to influence people around me that this administration is doing all good and that this pork-package will help the economy in wonderous ways is.......well, lying.



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driving now. ill get back in a bit...

Originally posted by nyk537
They can't help the leadership.

They are private citizens like us. They are only commentators, not politicians.

MLK?
Bill Gates?
George Mitchell?

All private citizens...they helped huh?

reply to post by OldThinker


Socially...perhaps (Bill Gates?)

Not politically or policy-wise though.

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References where attached...

Listen these three fine brilliant commentators reference the bible alot...right?

I'm asking are they ignoring those verses posted?

Really don't want this to be a religious discussion alright...just put those references up there because these men refer to patriotic duty in religious terms sometimes...

Maybe you have never read that verse or respect the new testament, that's ok...I'm not preaching here...

Just also know there are quite a few dozen million Americans who believe those verses and try as much as possible to live at peace with everyone...


I'm just one guy calling for some civility in the discourse...

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Bush's faith-based initiatives are ag reat example of private citizens helping the government and society as a whole

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This is completely opposite of what you are asking though, can't you see that?

You are asking people like Rush to go against what they believe in, and stop doing what they believe in, all for the sake of what you consider a "truce."

It's completely asinine.

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I'm sorry...let me try again ok?


Let's us a physics example...

Reagan/Clinton and other presidents of the past used optimism as a tool for MOMENTUM...

people got postive, markets rallied...economy became stable....


Words then Momentum then markets improve then good economy...

Study the history of this sequence, it is there...

Friction emphsized over and over is a stall for the postive words to take root....


this country doesn't need Mr President you suck shouted over the radio for 3.9 years....the markets will not respond favorably to this strife...

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Using that example, Obama needs to be the one preaching optimism instead of getting on TV and radio, fear-mongering by saying we may never recover from this.

Originally posted by OldThinker

Wrong again....

Other Presidents had plans that people thought would actually work, thus they had a reason to be optimistic.

The only people who think Obama's plan will work are the people getting fat checks from it.

There is no reason to be optimistic right now, and there is no reason to be quiet about it.

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An excellent observation as usual Skep.



Exactly right.

Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by OldThinker

 

Using that example, Obama needs to be the one preaching optimism instead of getting on TV and radio, fear-mongering by saying we may never recover from this.

Yes you are correct...and I think Clinton got to him on that...let's see over the next month...

The OP seems to equate commentary on flawed policy as divisive rhetoric.
I propose that commentary on fatally flawed policy is enlightening and unifying. By better understanding a different perspective on highly spun topic we can all unite and express a need for 'change' in the direction a topic is heading.

Peace!

Originally posted by nyk537

Originally posted by OldThinker

Wrong again....

Other Presidents had plans that people thought would actually work, thus they had a reason to be optimistic.

Bud, you said I was wrong again, but failed to quote me...


And concerning your second line there...please research Tip O'Neil's opposition to Reagan...and the Repub's opposition to Clinton...both very intense...but later in their presidency's both enjoyed a relatively smooth first year...

Words-Optimism-Markets Improve-Economies Rally

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Originally posted by GrandIllusion
The OP seems to equate commentary on flawed policy as divisive rhetoric.
I propose that commentary on fatally flawed policy is enlightening and unifying. By better understanding a different perspective on highly spun topic we can all unite and express a need for 'change' in the direction a topic is heading.

Peace!

Very wise...in the short-term, in a wobbly economy (near depression) divisive discourse is a harm...

In the longterm its what biult this great nation....

the issue here is VANTAGE POINT!

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You're still missing the main point here.

All the positive thinking and rhetoric in the world will not take a plan as destructive as the one passed by Obama and make it work.

The constant criticism of it isn't' helping anything, but it sure isn't making the bill any worse either.

Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by OldThinker

 

The markets don't need any help from anyone in crashing.

They can see the problems with this so-called stimulus package and they are reacting to it.

There are big problems in that bill and in this country in general. People shutting up or sticking their heads in the sand does nothing to solve those problems.

Once AGAIN... I ask where were all of you the last eight years???

I know many of you conservatives were sitting squarely on your shoulders.

It seems protecting W was of far greater concern than protecting the red white and blue.

A good majority of the holes in this ship were put there by W, yer boy.

The market is dying because of the epic level of incompetence provided to the job of potus W. Bush had a pen, he only used it 14 times, he had no restraint, not a fiscally responsible bone in his body. Being a RICHIE ELITE, he gave a pass to his kind and facilitated an era of string free dirty dealings amongst THREE main industries.

Most of you fail to recognize the BUSH family and the strong ties to finance and the monetary system.

SO

BUSH CO has STRONG ties to...

Defense -- made out with hundreds of billions

Energy - remember yer gas prices? At least a trillion???

and FINANCE.... ????? --

If you guys do not WANT to recognize a clear pattern thats all of our trouble.
The GOP failed to deliver on any of its core principals and your problem was and is BUSH's lack of - ???, and the fact that you cannot come to terms with his horrid performance.

So now, this redistribution of WEALTH talk is laughable -- DID ANY of you notice the redistribution of wealth we just endured??? Any of you???

How about the biggest spending spear in world history???

Rush should keep on, the more you guys thrash and spray crap about, the farther in the hole the GOP will sink.

Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by OldThinker

 

All the positive thinking and rhetoric in the world will not take a plan as destructive as the one passed by Obama and make it work.

Bro, believe as you will...no prob...I disagree with you...I understand your point, but disagree with it...

"The ingredients which constitute energy in the Executive are, first, unity; secondly, duration; thirdly, an adequate provision for its support; fourthly, competent powers. ... The ingredients which constitute safety in the republican sense are, first, a due dependence on the people, secondly, a due responsibility.
Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 70, March 14, 1788

What we have here is change alright and we as a Nation are headed into a Sociliatic Society at light break speed. Now if no one questions the massive spending of money we as a Nation do not have and questions how on Earth We The People and our children are going to pay it back who will stand up.

Rush is one voice and I know what he wants is We The People to stand up for ourselves and be counted and not set around like We The Sheeple and hope all this economic mess will go away with out a voice of opposition on massive spending and The Great Socialistic Society being created.

The problem is this administration is not looking at past history of things that worked to stimulate the economy but enacting things that did not work and will prolong and worsen the economy. A temporary fix by pumping $Trillions$ of dollars into the economy maybe, but long term not a chance.

Most do not relize back in 1920 this Nation went into a Depression and instead of massive increased spending guess what the government did to stimulate the economy. They downsized the size of the government just imagine that and within one year the economy was thriving. I will bet you were never taught that in school because you were taught about the Great Depression and the crash of 1929 and massive spending that helped fuel the Depression lasting until 1939.

Yes we were a bankrupt Nation back then no different then today and still we try to spend our way out of this economic disaster. World War 11 helped our country get out of the Depression back then. Remember The war started in 1939 but we did not enter the War until Pearl Harbor was bombed in 1942 but we helped manufacture the war machine for our allies before we entered the war.

Rush does not want to see our country go down the tubes he loves capitalism and free enterpise and what our founding fathers did to put together the Greatest Nation on this Earth. Rush has never seen a more remarkable Constitution such as ours that has been now circumvented.

It did not just take a Republican or Democrate administration to put us in this economic mess, it has taken most of the prior administrations to Obama to put us in this mess. Obama came along and supposedly was the Knight in Shinning Armor and said the word change and most took it hook line and sinker and voted for change. The problem is no one hardly ever asked him what he meant by change, well folks now you know.


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