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Do you think we will EVER know?

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posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 07:25 PM
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I wanna know more about these top secret departments. What departments just mainly deal with alien technology.




posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 10:13 PM
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I think one day we will know. To me if the world knew the actual truth people would flip a lid! I have many friends and family members who think I am insane for what I believe. The world doesnt seem ready to know aliens really exist. Hopefully one day they will find out and who knows it might not be a bad thing. We could help each other sort of like we already are.



posted on Feb, 24 2009 @ 11:14 PM
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There has been a lot of recent UFO sightings. It's only a matter of time when everyone will know that they're here and there will be no denying it. The government can only hide it from us for so long before the truth is revealed.

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posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by xweaponxWhat departments just mainly deal with alien technology.


Area 51 where Bob Lazar worked


Besides 80% of UFO's are plasma life forms... IMO of course... as well as a few others....

Results 1 - 10 of about 9,230,000 for plasma life forms. (0.19 seconds)

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posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 01:40 AM
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Do you think we will ever know or the documents of all top secret projects or anything will come out?


Some of that we already know , it just takes decades to come out once its classified. Like we have all this info from the past , but it will take another 10-20 years for classified information of today to be released, even more





Also do you think ANY one person in the USA has been to another planet by a secret secret government project dealing with a reversed engineered UFO?


Some believe yes , i personally believe yes. I believe the government has several flying saucers with inter-planetary traveling capabilities. In fact maybe half the sightings reported are actually our own



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 02:30 AM
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Originally posted by prevenge

Originally posted by Nohup
So, at this point, there's no indication that we'll ever know, or that we even can know. We don't even know if we're using the right definitions, or asking the right questions.




Einstein's E=MC2 equation was merely a theory.

Einstein had matter, he had proof of energy, and the speed of light.

he had no "physical proof" to show that his "ideas" were reality..
He didn't just make his theory up and then fit it to the universe. He got it from observing aspects of the universe. Observable aspects. Others pondered that there was an Energy-Mass equivalence. the Csquared is used to convert the mass units into its equivalent energy. What made Einstein different was that he proposed that this energy-mass equivalence was a result of the symmetry of space and time. Once again observable. His equation was a result of relating the inertia of bodies(planets etc) to its energy content, hence total Energy equaling Mass by the speed of light squared.
He didn't see it in a cave painting, nor a heiroglyph. he didn't get it from an abduction experience or a channeled message from GFL. He didin't see a UFO and then propose E=MCsquared. He worked upon already established scientific beliefs, discoveries and observable facts and aspects of reality and then efficiently formulated what is now a keystone of knowledge.

they had to literally use his theories as a basis while they researched and experimented. in order to create a powerful reality of the atomic bomb.
What they got from that was that matter contained vast amounts of energy. as Energy= Mass times the speed of light squared. They just had to figure out a way to release that vast amount of energy contained within that matter and in a manner which weaponised it. They where dealing with aspects of reality and the material was evident.
This is vastly different to the OP's subject.


it seems the OP is being hypothetical.. as if these things are real.. would we ever know..
and even if he isn't ..
hypothesizing according to logic is the best rout to discover truth.

that's what this site is about.

Then this logic would also apply like this. The Hypothesis is this case has been tested numerous times, on this site and others as well as in general by many groups and individuals. Currently the weight of evidence supporting the existence of Aliens has more people leaning toward scepticism or disbelief in the existence of Aliens. While those that believe accept the evidence. But they do so by accepting Alternative archeological interpretations of Egyptian heiroglyphs, cave paintings, personal testimony, channelled messages and poor photos, interpretation of STS mission videos and UFO sightings etc Very poor evidence at best. Unidentified objects that are assumed to be Alien in origins and thus by association must be piloted by alien species is one of the weakest arguements put forward and one of the most common sitings as evidence.


seems you are addicted to skeptecism and only use it to try to convince other people not to theorize and research based off of theory..
Why infer an addiction to a manner of investigation, could not the reverse be offered that those that believe would rather defer to their reliance on fantasy?


which. if all of humanity took that advice.. we'd still be in th stone age.
Are you suggesting a sceptical approach to the existence of aliens is a socio-cultural, scientific and technological weakness that if present in the stone ages would have resulted in any advancement in those being stagnant or destroyed? Or scepticicsm in general? Your statement is just untrue and a weak attack on those that prefer more substantial information to form their truth and beliefs on. Scepticism, or caution, is intrinsic in humans. So is Fantasy.




posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 02:59 AM
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This all reminds me of the time I was seventeen and took the NSA handbook and shoved it down into my crotch during my time selling re-used books back to cadets ans when the guy asked me if I was stealing government secrets I happliy said "yes and now I am wiping my ass with them, any more questions?"



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 04:08 AM
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Hi folks.
We`ll eventually get disclosure, but I believe that it wont come in my lifetime (im 42). Unless the aliens land on the white house lawn.

About these government organizations and top secret programs.
What is it about "TOP SECRET"do you not understand? It`s top secret....not ment for your eyes.
We`ll either never get top secret info, or if we do, it will be long after the fact and wont be a big deal anymore.

These organizations handle things that they probably feel are more important than UFO`s. Infact UFO`s are probably not that high on the priority list for them.

Now, here`s a question that i`ve asked time after time but no one has ever answered me.

If disclosure came and it was`nt what you expected (we`ve never been visited), but was the absolute truth, could you accept it?
Or would you still claim that the gov is still lying to us?
Say if the real truth came out, that there is no intelligent life and we are alone in the universe, could you accept it?

Personally, i would love there to be friendly life out there, but if the truth is that we are alone in the universe, I could accept it.

See the thing is, people dont trust the government no matter what.
Even though we the people put our elected officials in there.
Im not condoning fully trusting any government, but since there is no trust, how are you going to know the difference when the truth is presented.

The point is, you`ll never know the real truth, if you`re only willing to accept one answer - the one that fits their agenda.


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posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 05:24 AM
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If disclosure came and it was`nt what you expected (we`ve never been visited), but was the absolute truth, could you accept it? Or would you still claim that the gov is still lying to us? Say if the real truth came out, that there is no intelligent life and we are alone in the universe, could you accept it?


Ahh.. yes! good question , tho.. if the government truly believed there was nothing out there wouldn't it be easy to just say "Listen people , there is NOTHING out there and all this is hogwash , don't believe any of it. We have done research and there is absolutely no indication of UFO's and Aliens. We are tired of all this speculation that we are covering it all up because that's not true and there is nothing to know"

Correct me if i am wrong , but has the government ever said anything along those lines? They always simply deny claims and offer no opinions.
If there really was no real UFO's then they must be man made , and that may be a good reason for the government keeping quiet and offering no opinions.


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posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by nasacarl
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If disclosure came and it was`nt what you expected (we`ve never been visited), but was the absolute truth, could you accept it? Or would you still claim that the gov is still lying to us? Say if the real truth came out, that there is no intelligent life and we are alone in the universe, could you accept it?


Ahh.. yes! good question , tho.. if the government truly believed there was nothing out there wouldn't it be easy to just say "Listen people , there is NOTHING out there and all this is hogwash , don't believe any of it. We have done research and there is absolutely no indication of UFO's and Aliens. We are tired of all this speculation that we are covering it all up because that's not true and there is nothing to know"

Correct me if i am wrong , but has the government ever said anything along those lines? They always simply deny claims and offer no opinions.
If there really was no real UFO's then they must be man made , and that may be a good reason for the government keeping quiet and offering no opinions.


[edit on 25-2-2009 by nasacarl]


I could think of a couple of reasons.
1. They can easily take advantage of the public not being sure that they exist, abd use a UFO excuse to mask real top secret aircraft testing.

2.god forbid, maybe they are not sure themselves, and dont want to confirm or deny just incase they do exist?

Now if the govs of the world do know for a fact that we`re being visited, Not everyone is level headed when it comes to UFOs. People here on the forums are generally interested in the subject, and would welcome real proof.
Now Joe Blow who never even thought of the subject much at all, or did`nt really care, just may pannic and do somthing stupid. Look at the Heaven`s Gate people. Or the original War of the worlds broadcast.
There are social, psychological, economical and who knows what else kinda problems that could come with the gov confirming extraterestrial life.

If im not mistaken, the ministry of defence stated that UFOs dont exist in the "MOD report".

I would still be grateful if more people could answer my questions (because I honestly want to know)



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posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by John Nada
We already do know. If we were being visited by aliens all this time we would know, but there's no indication of it so we are not. End of really.


Perhaps some people are just oblivious or obtuse (present company excluded... of course) so they don't know and others who are not those things do.

My buddy is colorblind. There's a variety of information he doesn't 'get in his experience' which is perfectly valid to those who do.

Fortunately we understand that unfortunate condition. Rather than not understanding it and having dominantly colorblind people in charge of what is allowed to be considered 'the facts' on the subject of color.



posted on Feb, 25 2009 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by nasacarl "Listen people , there is NOTHING out there and all this is hogwash , don't believe any of it. We have done research and there is absolutely no indication of UFO's and Aliens. We are tired of all this speculation that we are covering it all up because that's not true and there is nothing to know"


Well if there was something out there and they did say that they would be LYING so they don't say it... NASA doesn't lie... because too many employees would have religion that would not sit well with them lying... so they say nothing... It is easier to convince someone to be silent than to force them to lie deliberately

So NASA will not answer direct questions about anomalies, Ufo's etc. because they don't want to be caught in a lie... that is why there are people like Phil Plait and James Oberg...


On the other hand there is no law that says they HAVE to reveal anything... so as they say "Silence is Golden"

Besides the REAL space program is run by the NAVY, not NASA, but for some reason that message doesn't get through to people


Now the Air Force did release a statement... they said that UFO's pose no THREAT... but they didn't say they don't exist. IF UFO's are A) 80% plasma life forms that have never hurt anyone; B)15% our own black ships or C) 5% of true visitors to this rock that we have dealings with... it would indeed be a true statement... that these UFO's pose no threat.

Anyone yet heard of ANY report of a UFO taking out one of ours?






Correct me if i am wrong , but has the government ever said anything along those lines? They always simply deny claims and offer no opinions.
If there really was no real UFO's then they must be man made , and that may be a good reason for the government keeping quiet and offering no opinions.


[edit on 25-2-2009 by nasacarl]



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