Are we heading for WWIII ?

Originally posted by GEORGETHEGREEK
ok i see more and mor epeople waking up and realising this or that is staged.
even the economic collapse we are living through.

Where do you think all of this is heading?
Will we be here to live the afternath?

Well, from what info i'm getting from the inside, a great percentage of humanity willl not survive what is coming our way. But, some of us will be able to stay alive and continue evolution of mankind.
Destructive forces of nature will cause most of the havoc. But it is necessary because we need great shocks to change our ways.
The greed, power, all these things that a lot of us are thirsty for will make place to helping each other out. Cooperation will be essential for survival.
The level of consciessness will rise and we will, at a certain point, be free of all manipulation, either visible or invisible...

I love the united states of america and I am so thankful for being born here, but I can see the writing on the wall. Looking back on history we can see that all empires come to a very abrupt and devastating end. We are now witnessing the end of the American empire. America in one form or another will survive, but never again will we have the power and prominence of the past century. Look at empires like Spain, Britain, and even the OP's Greece. The country's still exist, but are just a shell of their former empires.

My biggest question is what will the fall of America do to the rest of the world. Let us remember how the fall of the Roman empire ushered in the dark ages. Do we face centuries of darkness?

There will be war as a last ditch grasp at maintaining the status quo. I just hope and PRAY that we can avoid nuclear war at all costs. Look for a war between the U.S. and Russia within a few years. The conflict in Geargia last year was the spark in the powder keg that is yet to blow. Russia was like a fighter who lost his title, but clawing and fighting to have the rematch. Folks the rematch is coming, and IMO Russia is hungry.

reply to post by The Oak


Nuclear war will not happen and will not be allowed by (i need a word to say this) --> watchers in the sky
They will not allow the destruction of this jewel planet of ours. It's been proven many times by military personnel in the USA who testified that alien crafts (UFO's) had disabled their missile guidance systems in the various military bases that harbor nuclear intercontinental missiles.
These actions on the part of our alien "friends" disabled all the missiles, and rendered them useless.
Wars will continue on this planet until mother nature starts cleaning up...


[edit on 24-2-2009 by teklordz]

reply to post by teklordz


i wonder who these "some of us will be able to stay alive and continue"
people will be.

I hope its you and us + him + her...

reply to post by GEORGETHEGREEK


All is known, all is written. Chance does not exist, everything the ego lives is an illusion. All we can do is try to do our best, and take care of ourself and loved ones, to the best of our ability.

[edit on 25-2-2009 by teklordz]

reply to post by teklordz

Well, from what info i'm getting from the inside, a great percentage of humanity willl not survive what is coming our way. But, some of us will be able to stay alive and continue evolution of mankind.
Destructive forces of nature will cause most of the havoc. But it is necessary because we need great shocks to change our ways.
The greed, power, all these things that a lot of us are thirsty for will make place to helping each other out. Cooperation will be essential for survival.
The level of consciessness will rise and we will, at a certain point, be free of all manipulation, either visible or invisible...

I have a sincere curiosity in your above statement.
...from what info i'm getting from the inside...



reply to ALL ATS MEMBERS AND PEOPLE

My other concern is that ATS members keep (in large percentage)
preparing themselves for something.
This behaviour is largely on the increase. Whether that is mentaly, physically, proactively or even spiritually, many may just be sorting themselves out in what they will do if and when something occurs, for various scenarios. That is (i assume) to gain the ability to act fast in organising to the new circumstances with ther least possible loss of control. The least panic. The least loss in general. At least that is the desire.

Human race in the past and at present has and is commiting huge mistakes in most simple but importan levels and aspects of life. We have lived with great weight to our fellow humans and mostly the environment....
I think all of this is comming back to us....
However war even just in the initial stages of this process will just be another one of those past mistakes. The worst we could do is turn against each other. Some may argue whether we will be out of choice. I argue that we have to act proactivelly.

Hence this thread. It is no tool to panic people but rather a wake up call.



[edit on 4/3/2009 by GEORGETHEGREEK]

reply to post by GEORGETHEGREEK


I will try to answer this without being to occult about it. First, you need to understand that Earth is like a school for souls and the illusion of free will is very present for a lot of us. The biggest problem of humanity is the memory of the human race. We live according to the past, and that is why history repeats itself. When people will realize that thoughts are not their own, and the extent of the manipulation on the human mind, they will start to be aware thru experience and slowly, the conscious self will start evolving instead of "involving".
As far as your question about "info from the inside", it is with personnal experience that i have had insights on the coming times. I know that we are multidimensional, we are not just flesh and bones. When i first realized that i was multidimensional, it was very scary. I had a conscious out of body experience, that is the moment i knew i was multidimensional.
Slowly, i starting getting answers on precise questions i'd ask my cosmic conterpart. The cosmic conterpart is yourself (higher mental body), it's your source, it's the intelligence that is flowing.
Now, this may be too occult for some people to read, because experience cannot be transposed to others. The only way to "know" is to experience. When the experiences of the soul is sufficient (over many lifetimes), then slowly, changes occur. You are transformed and you cannot go back to the old ways.
I hope this answer is ok with you, i could go on for hours writting about this subject, but i have to be careful, because some people may not be ready to read these lines i have just wrote.

Please understand this is just my opinion. It isn't based on anything other than my gut and the little I think I know about the human race.

I don't think we're there yet, and I also don't think we're currently on a course that would lead us immediately, irrevocably into anything so dire. WWIII is not on the docket, nor is mass calamity with all of the industrialized nations of the world plummeting into a dark age.

I certainly feel that economically, we are headed for different times. Gone are the days buy now pay later. That is going to be difficult to bear for many. I have no doubt that crime will go up. Inner cities may become the haven of the criminal, the drug lord, the slum once again. This is a bummer, but it isn't civil war, or a war of nations.

I think we'll find ourselves in a depression comparable to the depression of the 1930's, but I don't think it will last quite as long. I am hopeful that when we rebuild, we will have these tough times on our mind, and rebuild in a way that could hopefully prevent things like this from happening again. I know if this doesn't happen again, something else will...it's the nature of things.

I know this is not the sexy, popular opinion to have on this website, but I feel that what we're looking at here is a socioeconomic Yellowstone. Something that rumbles here or there, swells, recedes, may someday totally blow its top, but we're not there yet.

Here's where I'll inject a bit of conspiracy into it.

As far as I can tell, it still suits the powers that be to have a world run in a way very similar to the way it has been running. Freedoms have been gradually eroding over the last 50 years, we continue to work hard for things we think we "need to have" and essentially turn a blind eye to what really happens with our tax money, and we (western civilization) continue to feed the beast.

We're a very easy flock to shepherd. Just dangle the right carrot and we all have our price. Why would a controlling conspiracy want to jeopardize that.

I do feel that sometime within the next couple of centuries the proverbial # will indeed hit the fan...you may ask:::why not now? The answer to that is simple:: Too many humans are still relatively pleased with the status quo.

As more and more of us start to question the powers that be, as we become more difficult to manage, then the time will come to thin the herd. I don't know when it will happen, but I am confident in saying we have at LEAST 50 years under the current paradigm.

This may all be dismissed as naivety, but it is my opinion.

reply to post by teklordz


Your words ring very true friend. As a fellow spiritualist I can back up your claims with my own personnal experiences.

I have had many conversations and understandings in my meditations that have allowed me to view this place for what it really is. The illusion is staggering isn't it?

You are also correct in saying that our visitor friends although malicious in some ways, would never sacrifice this great green paradise we know as earth. There may be millions of planets with millions of species of all kinds, but earth is among only a few Terra planets that can support such a complex and abundance of life while giving us the ability to hone our spirituality. Those who choose to do so anyway.

It is for this reason they would never allow the destruction of this place, it is too valuable to them. Whether they see us as friends or as a species in the way of their perfect place to call home, they will fight tooth and nail for it's survival and fight they should.

I think the coming years will include alot of concious awakening about our fellow people, and TPTB will attempt anything and everything to keep this from happening, to keep the illusion at it's peak.

From my perspective the our friends will eventually need to disclose their existance to us all before we inadvertly destroy ourselves and this beautiful place attempting to discover who we are and why we are here.

~Keeper

reply to post by beefytee


well i cannot say i dissagree with the best part as described in your opinion.
this however doed not exclude a great deal of current personalities being put to situations beyond their limits....... or the limits of civilisation and fairness.
Humanity has allready drifteD too far from its original habitat and needs.
We are on a personal physical spiritual and mental meltdown......



[edit on 8/3/2009 by GEORGETHEGREEK]

reply to post by teklordz


To my experience you have not been occult at all.
Although my experience is not as trained as yours i have all the evidence in my own life backing up for what you are talking about. From my young years of life too. However my everyday problems keep me far from being able to concentrate on more genouine aspects in being.

I am glad to have your posts around and be not afraid. There are plenty of peoplew sharing your perspective. As far as i am concerned i am not ashamed of accepting it publicly. Many may and most live in the agony of dealing with their problems being slaves to them......

I think there are four possibilities:

1) That there is a War. How this happens and how the escalation occurs, I leave up to history and the future.

2) That the United States government has significant technological advantage over its adversaries and will eliminate any threat because of this gap.

3) That the United States government and its enemies have covertly attained far higher levels of technology than is currently accepted. This has led to a secret arms race that boils over into a war. People are generally unaware of why nations are fighting, it just seems to happen. This is the worst of all scenarios.

4) There is no war.

In the past few months, the probability of #3 has increased, IMO

The whole situation of economic collapse seems so bizzare to me because we now exist in an era where there is more "stuff" than ever before. Our factories are more efficient, our production technology is so much more advanced. It takes far less manpower to make, say, an automobile or a loaf of bread than it did fifty years ago. Go back even further and even more manpower was needed.

In other words, we now have the technology to be richer than ever before in history. And yet one billion people on this planet are currently starving. In the so-called "rich countries" we see economic "hard times" with many thrown out of their homes and jobs, or unable to afford the basics.

Why is all this happening precisiely at a time when technology should be supplying us with MORE free time, MORE wealth, and MORE prosperty? Why are we suddenly getting LESS?

The problem does not lie with TECHNOLOGY. It lies with the SYSTEM OF DISTRIBUTION, i.e., modern capitalism. This system is clearly not working because it is not distributing the fruits of technology in a way that serves humanity effectively. Indeed, it seems to lead to WARFARE, which actually represents DESTRUCTION of creative and industrial output: the turning of technology that should be used to build and enrich to the act of actual, physical destruction and the increase of human poverty and misery?

On a basic level, how can this be happening? We need to ask this seemingly "stupid" question because it is only by questioning the basics that we get real change. Einstien said his insights about the universe came from having the willingness to ask very "basic" questions about the funadamentals that would embarass most academic scientists as overly naive. But out of this questioning came a whole new system that explained the universe better than the previous system. We need to do something similar with economics and politics now. We need to investigate the fundamentals of the system and seriously ask why, with all this potential abundance, we end up with "hard times" and possibly serious war. Once we start asking that in earnest, we will find a new system to replace our outmoded current model. It probably won't be "communism" or "socialism:" those history has shown to be dead ends. But it can no longer be fundamentalist capitalism. History is showing us, right now, that this system is a failure too. We need a new way forward.

reply to post by silent thunder


I certainly agree to this reform, albeit it needs to also be carried out in a wider aspect than that of economics..

Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
A storm is coming. There will be war. But it will be a war between the government of the United States and the citizens.
Now is the time to start feeling out your friends and neighbors and think about forming cells to fight the oppression.
We have to form an underground that makes the underground of WWII pale by comparison.

Hmmmmm sounds like our local FED just spoke up.

The fact that too many on ATS speak on guns, the risen demand for bullets and guns and people walking in the streets desperatelly killing each other .............
(like in Alabama yesterday).

REALLY WORRIES ME.......