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Originally posted by Jenna
Actually basic training is one of the most effective "Brainwashing" tools devised by man. Far superior to Public school systems.
Spoken by someone who likely has never seen the inside of a military base, let alone basic training. Am I right? If not I'll retract that statement, but generally speaking statements such as this one don't come from those who have been in.
So what was your answer ?
Originally posted by UnitedSatesofFreemasons
I am a former USM, and i can tell you, that on more the one occasion we were asked "would you shoot your neighbor if it was to protect your country." They would ask it after sand pit drills, FYI, you run up a mountain and roll around in the sand, get it all in your clothes, then run 6-10 miles till you break out. It makes you weak. Also when the Dumped you, tie your hands and push you into the water, you will start to drown, and then they will ask you, among other things. I am 23 now, and that was 4 years ago.
Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE
Originally posted by earthman4
It is so easy to demonize a segment of our population. That is what they will do. This makes it OK for all you flag waiving "patriots" to kill. If you demonize a person the new morality makes it OK to kill thier children too. EG: Saddam Hussain and Iraq.
All you warmongers are sure he deserved to die. You were told what to believe and you took the bait, hook, line and sinker. Did any of you ever consider that you were being lied to?
They will make every citizen who refuses to blidly obey, an enemy combatant. This will eliminate that pesky bill of rights and all that constitutional nonsense. A license to kill them, "they all support evil, ya know."
Were you in the first Gulf War by any chance? Did you see what he did to the people in Kuwait? Did you see what he did to his own countrymen? Do you even know what musturd gas is and does to a person? This guy was pure evil in the flesh. Get your facts straight before you take up for a murdering dictator. He killed thousands of innocent people in his own country.
Eye of Eagle
Originally posted by mf_luder
I sometimes wonder if people post stuff like this just because they know their points will eventually skyrocket from the ensuing forum war that will rage on and on for umpteen pages until mods step in and separate the cats.
That being said.
I'm in the US Army.
I've posted on this topic before. Someone summed it up pretty well and good.
I will never just go shoot Americans for the pure hell of it. Never. That goes against my core beliefs AND that would mean the same was happening to my family and friends. I mean hell man - I don't tell many people this - but waay back when I was a private - I was in Iraq on a raid and came face to face w/ a family dog who was barking at me at the top of his lungs with the family watching from a porch - The WHOLE family. I couldn't bring myself to shoot their dog in front of them. They finally got some meat or something and the dog left and I was grateful for that. So - if you think I could just murder someone because I'm a soldier? Wow.
If some idiot who thought he was going to "resist the establishment" or "take down ""the man""" rushed me with his pea shooter - I'd put three in his chest without blinking. I've been in firefights - and it's different. It's down to you or them. I've shot at people and been shot at. It's all dependent on situation.
The fact is - you're inevitably going to see some people come here who will give you some links to some crap sites talking about how we're all brain washed drones and we'll do whatever the (____insert (oil, money, illuminati, bush, obama, etc) tells us to. Not true. We follow lawful orders and have a duty to resist in the face of unlawful or unethical orders.
If martial law ever comes or something like and you see me or my friends in full kit patrolling streets - rest assure there's probably a dang good reason. As long as you don't attack us, you won't be attacked. That simple.
Soldiers ARE NOT BRAINWASHED DRONES.
[edit on 22-2-2009 by mf_luder]
[edit on 22-2-2009 by mf_luder]
Originally posted by whaaa
Retract it your statement! Proudly served in the USAF from 75-81.
Plus I too have relatives that are in the military and have served and I can see with my own two eyes the difference in their personality from before basic to after. Please don't be so naive.
You're the one that doesn't know what she's talking about.