Swiss Right Wing calls for Retaliation on USA

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Don't forget that BMW and a few banks here in the US sent money and supplies to Germany during the war.
For BMW they sent planes to Africa to be repainted and sent to Germany.

Also IBM had quite a bit of involvement, selling punch card machines to the Nazi's that made it so they could keep track of all the Jews MUCH easier.

Getting a tad off topic though now, sorry.

I doubt we'll see the Swiss banks release any documents of any import at any rate.

The IRS's demand would require the rewriting of tax treaties between the two countries that dictate how and what information can be disclosed. "To the extent that the IRS is not satisfied with treaties that the U.S. government has negotiated, that concern should be remedied through diplomacy, not an enforcement action," UBS said in the court filing.

Diplomacy indeed. While I am not a fan of taxes, who is? I pay them
This is about higher things than taxes...watch and see. The U.S. goverment took part with Switzerland in writing the treaties, I am going to research...if the IRS even exitsed when the old treaties were written?

U.S. Govement has known for decades that there is wealth of many in Switzerland. The IRS wields immense power, and they are not subject to any agency, yet they reside in the U. S. and depend on U. S. Goverment laws as means of enforcment.

They are not going to be able to strongarm Switzerland...they can make new treaties. There will be much more twisting before this is settled.

international organization of central banks which "fosters international monetary and financial cooperation and serves as a bank for central banks

www.bis.org...

That site is a lesson in and of it's own

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Originally posted by jfj123


I hope the IRS nails those rich, tax cheaters to the wall.

Typical democrat response, what is mine is mine and what is yours is mind too. Isn't the welfare system great. :flame

Socialists and communists create nothing, they take from those who do create and do the actual work and then squander it.



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WOW! Star for ya just on that quote alone!! THAT really does sum it all up

Originally posted by whiteraven
Something is cookin bub.

When the IRS goes looking in places considered sacred they have rolled an ancient stone.

The gatekeeper is about to release some dogs as fair warning as the IRS ignores the ancient proverb.."Do not remove your grandfathers boundaries."



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I seriously agree with this statement!!!!! Star for ya indeed. There is hella lot of wisdom in that proverb!!!!!

Originally posted by bpg131313
reply to post by jfj123

 

It's true that the rich need to pay their taxes just like everyone else, but the US has absolutely no Constitutional authority to strong arm another nation. An Agency of the United States (the IRS) has ZERO Constitutional authority to even try it.

Although I do absolutely agree with you, I still want to see the tax evaders get theirs and this is the only way it will happen so I am very torn.

As for the taxes issue, here's a thought, let's get rid of the income tax and bring in a sales tax on everything but food (excluding restaurants).

It's an interesting idea and has been proposed before. The numbers I have seen would give us a sales tax of between 26-34 percent.

Holy cow, what next?

I would love to know the names, personally.


How they gonna punish us? Take the holes outta the swiss cheese?
har

A question, how can we force the Swiss to give the information?


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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by bpg131313
reply to post by jfj123

 

It's true that the rich need to pay their taxes just like everyone else, but the US has absolutely no Constitutional authority to strong arm another nation. An Agency of the United States (the IRS) has ZERO Constitutional authority to even try it.

Although I do absolutely agree with you, I still want to see the tax evaders get theirs and this is the only way it will happen so I am very torn.

As for the taxes issue, here's a thought, let's get rid of the income tax and bring in a sales tax on everything but food (excluding restaurants).

It's an interesting idea and has been proposed before. The numbers I have seen would give us a sales tax of between 26-34 percent.

jfj123, There has to be other ways to catch these people other than violating the sovereignty of another nation. We've done enough of that and it's simply something we must tell ourselves that it'll never happen again. There HAS to be other ways of getting these people and holding them accountable.

As for the Sales Tax idea I threw out there, I know it's not an original idea. I also know that the number tends to be a little on the large side because people suddenly want everything funded by it. The biggest mistake we can continue to make as a nation is believing that everything has to be taken care of by the government! That simply is something we must end. It's time to really cut back on expenses. I'm a Generation X'er and I've been told pretty much all of my life that Social Security won't be there for me. So why not make that a reality? We can't fund it anyway. If we eliminated literally all of the socialist programs and made government as small as possible (perhaps make Theodore Roosevelt's administration the in-stone guideline), then we'd dramatically reduce spending. A lot less taxes would be needed. The benefit about sales taxes is that even illegal aliens pay them. When they get in the line to buy a new piece of electronics, they get charged whether they are here legally or not. That's a lot more fair than income taxes when they don't contribute at all if they are undocumented.

The Swiss have every right to tell us no, and if there are Americans that have accounts there, we need to figure out a way to tax that income (if we're going to stick with income tax) and put that into our system. There must be another way. Let's look at it this way. Today it's Switzerland. Is tomorrow the Isle of Mann? Is the day after that the Cayman Islands? Is the day after that Liechtenstein? Is the day after that Israel? You see how this goes? How many nations are we going to force to comply with us? I believe they have their own laws and their own rights as nations. The Swiss will set a horrible precedent by going through with this. We don't have the legal right to demand it of other nations.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

How they gonna punish us? Take the holes outta the swiss cheese?
har

Stormdancer777, that is too funny!

Originally posted by bpg131313

 

We don't have the legal right to demand it of other nations.

Great thoughts! On the nose. The U.S. made treatises, we should stick to them. Or we could make a new treatise. What the U.S. can not do is play games. With the IRS as the "cover agency"

Originally posted by gdeed

Originally posted by jfj123


I hope the IRS nails those rich, tax cheaters to the wall.

Typical democrat response, what is mine is mine and what is yours is mind too. Isn't the welfare system great. :flame

What are you talking about?
Are you saying that it's ok for rich people to not pay taxes because they are rich?
Please explain this statement

what is mine is mine and what is yours is mind too.

I pay my taxes and I expect them to pay their taxes. How does that mean I want their tax money?

I guess at this point I can say "typical neo-con response" ???

Socialists and communists create nothing, they take from those who do create and do the actual work and then squander it.

Luckily this has nothing to do with my statement about rich people paying taxes instead of hiding the money in offshore accounts which in turn forces people such as you and me to pay their taxes for them....oh wait so you think what's theirs is theirs and what's mine is theirs.

Sometimes it's important to think before you post.
Try it next time.

I'm with the Swiss on this one. Their thousand year banking secrecy should not be eroded by the taxman of another country.

I hope they retaliate, and retaliate hard against the IRS. I don't know what that means, but I presume the Swiss only act as a holding nation. Should they decide to withdraw the money invested in the USA, the consequences will be unbelievably painful.

Lets see how powerful the global elite really are. If they are as powerful and evil as you claim, expect to see a dead IRS chief very soon. If they are normal folks who hate paying unjust levels of tax (as I think they are), then they will just get shafted; their final sanctuary and bastion toppled so that the government can waste more money on crap that helps nobody but their own agenda.

Why is UBS allowing them access?
Because if they don't, they wont be able to what?
Operate in America?
They don't operate in America.
UBS must be in on this.

Originally posted by jfj123

Are you saying that it's ok for rich people to not pay taxes because they are rich?
Please explain this statement

The idea that rich don't pay taxes is lame and bull from the left to incite hate.

The left taxes the crap out of the rich and there would be no rich if it weren't for a few loop holes. The poor pay no taxes and live off the taxes from the rich. The middle class pay taxes but no where nears what the rich pay. The real problem is that people hate those that have more than them. That's an envy problem not a tax problem.

Protests begin...

GENEVA (AFP) — Switzerland has cancelled an appearance before a US Senate sub-committee to protest US government treatment of its biggest bank, UBS, over tax fraud claims, the ATS news agency reported Sunday.

"The Swiss government regrets that the US Department of Justice has threatened UBS with unilateral measures despite the cooperation of the bank and the Swiss authorities," ATS reported, citing a letter sent to the US Senate.

It said the Swiss government was always ready to cooperate with the United States on the basis of legal provisions and bilateral accords already in place.

Source

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Looks like there could be a shakup for senior positions at UBS
Current CEO Rohner. Rohner has been at the top at least a decade...he was with Paine Webber, before they were taken over by Swiss giant UBS

Factbox speculation

more here
www.abovetopsecret.com...'



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Originally posted by gdeed

Are you saying that it's ok for rich people to not pay taxes because they are rich?
Please explain this statement

The idea that rich don't pay taxes is lame and bull from the left to incite hate.

That was what you indicated by your post.

The left taxes the crap out of the rich and there would be no rich if it weren't for a few loop holes.

Are you kidding?
A few loopholes?
The more money you have the more loopholes there are for you to hide it. I assume you're neither rich nor no anyone that is or even know an accountant that could explain all the potential loopholes ???

You do understand why the IRS want the names attached to those swiss bank accounts right? Because they're hiding money that should be taxed.

The poor pay no taxes and live off the taxes from the rich.

I'm sorry but this is just plain absurd. Can you back this silly statement up?

The middle class pay taxes but no where nears what the rich pay.

Seriously, are you just making this up as you go along? Is your dad rich and he's the one feeding you these lies?

The real problem is that people hate those that have more than them. That's an envy problem not a tax problem.

Actually I don't hate people who have more then me but I don't like it when more wealthy people abuse the system because they have the money to do so. I'm more well off then many around me but I don't hide my money in offshore accounts and try to abuse the system.

Maybe you live in a different country but nothing you have said happens the way you think it does in the United States.

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Originally posted by whiteraven
Something is cookin bub.

Yes indeed something is cooking.

Swiss banking secrecy could soon come under unprecedented pressure as the world's most powerful countries meet to discuss tax havens at the G20 summit in April.

Cocca is convinced that Switzerland will be one of the first tax havens to be targeted by the new offensive because it is home to by far the bulk of the world's offshore wealth. In addition, some countries – such as Britain – have their own offshore centres to protect.

"I do not think the G20 would find it so easy to solve the problem worldwide," he said. "I think they will focus on the major players such as Switzerland."

www.swissinfo.ch...

more on the G20 herewww.abovetopsecret.com...

(UBS)
Because if they don't, they wont be able to what?
Operate in America?
They don't operate in America.

I think you need to brush up a bit:

UBS has a major presence in the United States, with its American headquarters located in New York City (Investment banking); Weehawken, New Jersey (Private Wealth Management); and Stamford, Connecticut (Capital markets). UBS's retail offices are located throughout the U.S.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this had something to do with the $550bn run on the banks that was reported a couple of weeks ago. Big 'tings afoot, no doubt about it.

What if all this sabre rattling turned into a full scale war? America wouldn't stand a chance against the Swiss. Just imagine the Swiss army armed with those little red Swiss Army Knives storming the American capital? Thousands of swiss specialist troops armed with viciously sharp Toblerone chocolate bars attacking while men in tight shorts struck fear into ordinary American citisens with their yodelling. . !
They would take over America and ensure that every household had one of those infuriating cuckoo clocks hanging in their hall. America, the end is near. . .
Seriously, the more money you have the more money you have to pay accountants to find ways around the tax system. And if you get caught those very same accountants will get you off the hook by finding dozens of loopholes for you to take advantage of. I'm afraid it's the way of the world. The rich get richer while the poor get taken to the cleaners.