Ron Paul to Bill Maher: America's War on Drugs must end , page 7

reply to post by Amaterasu

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HFCS is artificial, meaning that you're better off not making rather than making it and telling people, "No no, don't touch." Labelling on cigarettes hasn't deterred anybody from using it.

My point is that not everybody starts smoking because they were born itching for a nicotine fix.

That's exactly what legal marijuana would do.

The current Constitution isn't even the original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers. Do the research.
LOL legalizing marijuana is not going to outlaw Homeland Security or stop the NSA from reading your email

Originally posted by Reddupo
Here is a table showing different countries and cannabis use medicine.plosjournals.org.../journal.pmed.0050141&id=14269&ct=1 (Fixed Link)

Showing Japan at a mere 1.5% of the population. That's super low.

What do we know about the methods used in compiling this data?

I mean... It could be way off, depending... (Did they use a calculation based on arrests, for example...?)

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
reply to post by Amaterasu

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HFCS is artificial, meaning that you're better off not making rather than making it and telling people, "No no, don't touch." Labelling on cigarettes hasn't deterred anybody from using it.

My point is that not everybody starts smoking because they were born itching for a nicotine fix.

That's exactly what legal marijuana would do.

What??? Do give the sources you are using that bring you to conclude this. Oh, that's right. You don't offer sources. You just make outrageous claims and then ignore requests for sources. Very trollish of you.

The current Constitution isn't even the original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers. Do the research.

To what point? Why, in other words?

LOL legalizing marijuana is not going to outlaw Homeland Security or stop the NSA from reading your email

You are becoming incoherent. What has this to do with anything at all?

Originally posted by Amaterasu

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
reply to post by Amaterasu

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HFCS is artificial, meaning that you're better off not making rather than making it and telling people, "No no, don't touch." Labelling on cigarettes hasn't deterred anybody from using it.

My point is that not everybody starts smoking because they were born itching for a nicotine fix.

That's exactly what legal marijuana would do.

What??? Do give the sources you are using that bring you to conclude this. Oh, that's right. You don't offer sources. You just make outrageous claims and then ignore requests for sources. Very trollish of you.

The current Constitution isn't even the original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers. Do the research.

To what point? Why, in other words?

LOL legalizing marijuana is not going to outlaw Homeland Security or stop the NSA from reading your email

You are becoming incoherent. What has this to do with anything at all?

Any decent search will provide support for my claims.

The Constitution was changed so that the "UNITED STATES" could conform to international maritime law. The Federal Reserve Act was passed fraudulently. The related Constitutional amendment was never ratified, although the bankers spread a false rumor that it was.

It seems like you're tying in legalization with some rant about the increasing restriction of Americans' civil liberties.

reply to post by Amaterasu

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Its pointless with that guy.

His arguments are completely biased, he never has proof to back any of his claims up, and he goes off on tangents about god knows what.

Its best to steer clear of him.

reply to post by penguinsonarock

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You are absolutely on the mark. The primary reason for continued illegality is due to the almighty dollar. Take the "Partnership for a Drug Free America" for example. It's primary financial backers were Alcohol, Tobacco, and Pharmaceutical companies until 1997 when they were found out. Now since alcohol and tobacco can't contribute the Pharmaceutical companies are it's largest contributor. Alcohol and Tobacco lobby congress hard to also stem the likelihood of marijuana ever being legalized.

Don't get me started on the self-preservation propaganda tactics of the DEA so they can justify their own existence.

Reading through all these replies its clear that something should be done. Are there any political parties one could donate to that supports a pro-marijuana stance. That would be such a powerful platform. I found this article on NPR

theweek.com... -must-support-legalizing-drugs

I googled "tea party on marijuana" just now on google news and nothing very relevant came up. I don't see why this isn't a big issue. If its not yet, its going to be.

Is there a tea party antithesis? I just found this site and it's pretty damn fine I might need some help getting up to date.

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searched for "marijuana" on the Tea Party wiki site, nada, nothing for "drugs" either.

but I found this:
reason.com... m=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+reason/HitandRun+(Reason+Online+-+Hit+%26+Run+Blog)&utm_content=Twitter

I've never thought about joining the Tea Party before, but if they supported marijuana legalization...

When I think about that I see the tea party in a totally different light.
Maybe...
still reading...

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady


Why can't other politicians see things from Ron's perspective? This man is the genuine article. Maybe we should share this article with our legislators and give them something worthwhile to work on instead of destroying our economy.

I don't smoke pot, but to me it is criminal that the government is making criminals out of marijuana users. People are doing hard time for pot while white collar criminals (who ruin others lives and make a sham of capitalism) get rewarded with bailout money and bonuses. Too much time and energy is being wasted by law enforcement and the judicial system prosecuting people for getting a buzz. Perhaps more law enforcement efforts should be directed at business malpractices. If we are going to have Big Brother, put him in the board room.

Check article for video.

rawstory.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

The simple answer to this is if they can make pot illegal than cigarretes and alcohol have no right whatsoever to be legal. They're worse by all classifications employed in the industry. Money is lost every year because of addiction. It's a scam and a shame that we let this happen.

Drug use is a disease, that's how I see it. At the same time, drug use is something that has been with humanity since we can remember. It's an aspect of human psychology to desire drugs and to experiment with alterations in perception. So I don't feel we'll ever eliminate drugs, we can't. But we shouldn't treat it as a harmless issue. Granted, it WOULD be virtually harmless if all of the users were responsible AND not susceptible to addiction (as some are), but many drug users use them improperly and even though it's less than 20 percent that suffer significant addiction it's still harmful.

I'm not saying drugs are all bad. As I've stated, drug use appears to be a part of humanity. We desire them for various reasons. Some of our greatest artists have used drugs and would they have been great without them? Will we ever know? We use drugs in healthcare for pain relief and psychiatric management and probably many other purposes. There're a lot of things about humanity that can be ugly and despairing but will never go away. Maybe drug addictions are one example of this or not?

I think it's wrong to deal with it the way we're dealing with it, but you can't really blame them either because this issue is complex. This is the same way I feel about the wars in iraq and afghanistan. Even though I disagree I think the issue is too complicated to justify active opposition to the other party. What I mean is I can't treat those I disagree with as evil or corrupt. I feel helpless. I've been wrong before and I know how easy it's to be wrong about things. So I give people mercy.

What would I do, or what do I think is a bad idea? Well if we're truly against drugs than we should make cigarettes and alcohol illegal as well. Furthermore, treatment centers are better than a drug war. Addiction is something that will reoccur during a lifetime. It never goes away for the afflicted. We have to stop looking at it as an example of poor judgement. It's looking to be more like a disease. Responsibility plays a role, no doubt about it, but we exaggerate the role and skip over the fact that addiction, for the worst sufferers, is a disease and we have lots of evidence and research to back this statement up. So if we want to help people throwing them in jail might not be the best answer.

In fact, throwing them in jail and exclusively blaming them might be more expensive. I mean you're paying room and board, food, healthcare, court and attorney fees, and god knows what? And does the man who gets shot by a gun get better by putting him in jail? Obviously not, but how do we know how to treat a problem if we misidentify it? It's like mixing charts and performing the wrong surgery.

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