These are exciting times to be alive, just like the Sixties

Originally posted by Ahabstar
Yeah, but the music today is just utter crap.

Thats exactly what I was going to say man, you stole the words right out of my mouth.

Whens the last time a pop singer wrote their own music?
Better yet, when was the last time a pop singer wrote something not about a significant other?
The music today is completely mindless... I think its one of the ultimate conspiracies the govt. formulated after the sixties to stop people from writing and playing significant music... At least we still have the music from the 60's, lets bring them back...

Imagine...

Originally posted by Odessy

Originally posted by Ahabstar
Yeah, but the music today is just utter crap.

Thats exactly what I was going to say man, you stole the words right out of my mouth.

Whens the last time a pop singer wrote their own music?
Better yet, when was the last time a pop singer wrote something not about a significant other?
The music today is completely mindless... I think its one of the ultimate conspiracies the govt. formulated after the sixties to stop people from writing and playing significant music... At least we still have the music from the 60's, lets bring them back...

Imagine...

This is exactly what i was talking about.

Ignorance.

I think it is time to be realistic.

We are witnessing a paradigm shift in the world. As someone stated earlier this isn't the first time that it has happened. The total collapse of civilization is nothing new, it is just more rare of an occurrence.

When things really hit the fan peace and love is only going to get you killed. While your trying to harmonize the world other people are going to see it as an opportunity to seize power. These people will infiltrate your peace love commune and then the next thing you know you don't wake up.

We are reverting back to the basics of human nature, which is eat or be eaten. Survival of the highest order. There are going to be many tens of millions of people that won't make it.

I don't find it exciting at all. I find it interesting and depressing. I'm actually quiet fearful of the times ahead. People are only used to manufactured fear, people are afraid of what the TV tells them to be afraid of.

A lot people have no idea what really to be afraid of. I seriously worry about the people that think they can forge a peace and love society of the coming collapse. For your own sake get a grip on reality. Fear and a level head is what is going to keep you alive. Be skeptical of everyone and trust no one.

Although, what we are about to go through is going to suck more than even I can imagine, I understand that it is necessary. As someone else stated earlier corporations, and I'll add governments, have become too big they have centralized and cemented their power.

These things must fail. It is the natural order of things, if these things are not allowed to fail it brings everyone else down with them. That is what is happening. These things have grown too big, unsustainable, and demanding.

The natural order of things is life and death. It even holds true for things that are manufactured. Things that live must eventually die.

[edit on 22-2-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

I agree with the OP. These are exciting times. As screwed up as things may appeared it is ushering in a new way.





[edit on 22-2-2009 by ExPostFacto]

Meet the new boss the same as the old boss…

The Who…We Won’t Get Fooled Again…from the classic Who’s Next album which I still have on vinyl, from the day it was first released.

Most of the hippie generation sold out. They are buried with mortgages, car payments, college tuitions, and their plummeting 401ks.

Most became the new boss and became just as bad if not worse than the old boss.

Most but not all, there are a few ornery old dogs still out there with some tricks up their sleeves and yes, I am having the time of my life.

No fear, just hope. I am not focused on what might be lost but what might be gained.

It is the very threat of loosing everything that keeps people so compliant and subdued.

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to loose.

Janis Joplin and the Big Brother Holding Company, I still have that on vinyl too!

Bullets? Lynyrd Skynyrd…Gimme Back My Bullets a long time ago. After all I didn’t want to see no more damage done! I have that on vinyl too from when it came out.

The question is, is when are you going to come out?

It’s show time.

I know Rush had to have given you a Distant Early Warning along time ago. It’s time to sing in the acid rain. Got that on vinyl too!

Take my life, but don’t take my records.

Long live Rock n’ Roll, but let’s talk about your generation. I screwed up and didn’t die before I got old. There once was a note, pure and easy!

Who is behind the door? Zebra…on vinyl.

Yeah I have to tell you. I am loving life like never before.

Originally posted by Ahabstar
Yeah, but the music today is just utter crap.

What the hell are you talking about.... Music today is NOT utter crap, unless ofcourse you are referring to popular, chart music, which is crap... But beyond that lies a huge scope of extraordinary music of all genre and type.

Bunching things into one group will not get you anywhere sonny jim.

This is no way like the 60's #1 I was a teenager in high school in 69,no worries in the world,now I'm an old man the comparison of then and today is like apples and oranges,granted now I'm old I have lot's of money and toys,but not quite the same as being a kid again,as for the up comming future I've been prepared for the last 3 yrs,I have a plan and I'm a few months of moving out of state,who knows what will happen just hope I'm ready for it

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VERY nice vid m8, in a thread that somehow became, My music is better than yours, very nice find

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cbringit all down? Ican understand some of that ;but you really don't want your house to burn down in January(during severe stress) and have to rebuild when it -17 outside.

trying to form a new cohesive government even aligned under the framework of constitution in the middle of famine/riots with no currency would be a non starter.

Originally posted by MoonMine
You have the age advantage and I have the life experience advantage. Together we have nothing to worry about if push comes to shove.

Forget about college-career-2.5 kids-condominium-4x4-pension start thinking new world. Again, the future looks bright... Brighter than it ever has been...

Being young is the worst right now. We're all competing with your generation for jobs. It's pretty bad...

If I can't do the college-career-2.5 kids-condo-Toyota-pension... what CAN I do?
Right now my boyfriend and I are enrolled for the next year at a $46k school that neither of us can afford, we're going to try and get the government to pay as much as they can and same for the school, so that we can at least get the education that we want for a short period of time. Then we'll probably transfer out/drop out of things get really bad... buy a foreclosed house or something with help from our grandparents (neither of our parental units have jobs, really), pop out a kid at around 25, probably work in the restaurant business (he has the experience, I have the personality/looks). If not, you know, I'm sure I could find some job even if it's degrading if the economy totally crashes.

It would just be really, really unfortunate. I mean, at least your generation had a chance to take on it's dreams. Like, you want to be a... say, dunno, Marine Biologist like I want to be. So you go to college and do it.

I probably can't have the future that I want. And it's totally not my fault.

And everyone wonders why we're all on Prozac and go to therapy, right?

/new thought. If the economy is really bad still when I'm in my 20s-30s, and everything changes but isn't adjusted yet.... I'm not going to want to have kids, I'm going to want to feed myself. Population drop off?

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Hmm... fear you say? Popular 70's quotes I will give, everyone in the thread doing it they are!

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

Giving in to your fear will only serve to cloud your judgment. Instead, calm yourself and approach every new and unique situation with a level head. The starving or sick may see you and wish harm upon you for what you have. They will be less likely to do this if you send them on their way with some home grown vegetables and some seeds to start their own garden.

It would be wise to help prepare your entire community. We on these boards who are not guided by the puppets of the MSM are in a unique position. If the breakdown of society truly does occur like some of you truly believe, I am not convinced of this as of yet though, will need to help out your fellow man in order to survive. "I told you so" is not a phrase that has a proper place in this environment. It might get you killed.

This is where MoonMine's vision begins. Individual communities joining together to see to the long term survival of the group. Once the storm subsides, this life could truly be called a utopia.

I think its important to keep in mind one thing. The Powers That Be, whoever they are, will not succeed in their plans. Such a dystopian world only finds its place in works of fiction, as it is not a natural occurrence on this planet. A species put into an environment not suited for its own personal growth and evolution will overcome any obstacle set forth in front of it in order to secure a proper lifestyle. Nothing in this world is a coincidence, though it may seem at first this is the case. Those with eyes to see will be able to guide their vessel through the treacherous waters to paradise on the other side of the storm.

"A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack."

I will provide an excerpt from a previous thread I posted in now. I think what I had to say there carries some weight in this topic as well.

My advice:

Get in touch with your higher/inner/spiritual/subconscious self. Governments are the herds of the species who no longer rely on their instincts to get by day to day. Through evolution, we have replaced our instincts with a more enlightened aspect of our lives called intuition.

In a time of global conflict and disarray, it really is common sense to understand that the vibration of energy on this planet will be heavily distorted. When the majority of the planet's inhabitants are in survival mode, scared, a feeling of helplessness... this will have a profound impact on our environment, just as much and if not more then the exterior problems we have created for ourselves. Look at every single record being broken in the past few years in the geological field; most tornadoes in a season, worst hurricane season, most deaths during an earthquake, wildfires, etc... There is no such thing as coincidence.

The more you are in tune with your self, the more time you spend focusing inward on the conflicts you face personally, the more balanced your spirit will become. Therefore, your temperance will create a calming aura throughout your environment. You will literally raise your vibration. Realistically, all light and sound is vibration, so the higher your own spiritual vibration is, you will literally be seen as a beacon of light in a dark, distorted era of our race. For me, this is the best way you could ever prepare for these coming times, beyond taking care of your external, materialistic needs such as gold, clothing, food, etc...

"The future is being created every day... and it's being changed every day; based on our thoughts."

Don't forget to remember this.

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Oh, and for all of you arguing about modern music... I take resentment to that. Music today is probably 100x times better than it was in the 60s, because of all the diverse sounds and songs you can find today! Just because you have to put out a little effort and look past the radio stations trying to stay afloat these days, doesn't mean the music is not out there.

I will agree with the sentiment that music back then paved the way for music of today. Whoever said Jimi Hendrix would get owned by musicians today, you are smoking some funky stuff dude. James Marshall Hendrix is the scale upon which every rock guitarist is measured. 200 years from now he will be in the same group as Beethoven and Bach. Yet that is beside the point. The point is, there is so much awesome music being made today by awesome musicians, there really is not comparing the modern scene to the scene of 40 years ago.

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
1969 - summer of love

1989 - summer of love II

2009 - summer of love III ?

c'mon the time is right now!

groovy

wZn

let's not talk about it, but be about it.
Woodstock III....
or let's start something new up...
either way, you're talking my language

The older generation lost contact with modern production. It's been hit with the crap from spots and cheap radio stations and TV, so that is what forms the opinion.
In the 60s and 70s music was not produced by music industry and it was a true voice of a generation in a very different way than it is today. Independent musicians don't get so much attention today, that is the decisive factor in making judgments.

I'm sure there's good music today, but it's impact is largely diminished by the nature of the corporation owned, controlled and almost ruined world.

All real art has been marginalized and ostracized, and many people have never been in contact with it. There are very little clues.

In times of Woodstock, people would go to hear some real genius of their time. And today - musicians go to gatherings because there's plenty of people already there. It has been politicized in a very different way than it used to be. The era of "aid concerts" destroyed the real genius in popular music.

Video spots also contributed (most of them are really bad quality) to degrading good music. Spots became more important than music itself. Fragmentation of consumers' minds was good for sales. And that's all that matters...

In the 60s and 70s we were not simply "consumers" of musical production. We were actively participating in its creation. And now, perhaps I'm wrong, I think it is very different situation.

All those hippy, flower power, anti -government, free love college students are the power elite now and are the ones that have gotten us in this mess.

Look at the age of these people and figure out when they were in college.Both the business leaders and the politicians. If they are not now in power or office,they were when this mess was created.

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No offense, but this isn't Star Wars, or a movie this is real life. Fear is a natural emotion. Fear is what triggers the flight or fight instinct.

Seriously, all this New Age spiritual crap is a pipe dream. There will never be an Utopia. After it all comes crashing down the laws of nature are at play. And nature only follows one rule. Live or die.

I'm not worried about the NWO they are done, finished, finito. I'm worried about rouge groups like the communist and socialist trying take over and bring us all in to the collective. Or a fascist takeover.

Those are all very real threats. I'm not trying to tell you want to do or anything like that, but when people are starving and have been kicked when they are down and out over and over again. These people are not going to ask you for food. They are going to take your food.

These people are going to see you as weak and they are going to kill you and take everything for themselves. This is real life not everybody thinks like you. There is real evil in this world. There are people that will let you take them in and teach them how to grow there own food and then turn around and kill you.

That is the way it is. You have to realize when all this comes crashing down there will be a vacuum of power and every psychopathic narcissistic a-hole is going to be trying to fill that void.

I'm just trying to get you to understand this is not a game. This is not the time to be trying to force your view of life on people. When people are hungry and haven't eaten for weeks they are only interested in one thing. Food.

Again, I'm not trying to be offensive, but this is real life, this is not a game or a movie.

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I feel ya. By no means everything today sucks. There are still some good songs.

Even if I despise the sound of something, I still do my best to recognize the talent.

Buckethead for example, lots of talent their - pretty good for no vocals actually. But regardless, I really do not like "listening" to them. Still some cool sounds in their music.

There are many people that still live in the past though, and do now acknowledge anything today as good music wise because it was not a part of their childhood and young party years.

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A good time was had by all

My Friend "B" is waiting to die from Liver failure right now. While serving in the Military during Vietnam he became addicted to Heroin and was dishonorably discharged. He is paying for that right now.

Three of my old HS Buddies returned from Vietnam in Body Bags. I still miss them.

My Friend "P" fried his brain with drugs in the late 60's and even now suffers. He can't hold a job, his Parents came to hate him and he has been in and out of mental institutions his entire adult life. In school his IQ was estimated at 180+. He paid a dear price.

Another Friend we called 45 because he always carried one, returned with a mind so damaged he never recovered. He survived by working jobs nobody else would want and died of kidney failure brought on by the alcohol he drank to deal with his memories.

My Friend "J" who died almost ten years ago was one of those who went to the Communes. He died in his sleep from his organs shutting down. He started the heavy drug use in a commune and never was able to quit. He too could not hold a decent job and never found a woman who would put up with the results of the lifestyle he adopted in the 60's.

I'm one of the lucky ones. I ended up addicted to drugs as well, but I found my way out of the gutter some 22 years ago. I won't live much longer as the drugs have taken their toll on my body. My Liver won't hold out and I'm not a good candidate for a transplant.

Romanticize the 60's all you want. Those of us who were in the counter culture paid a dear price in many cases. Some hidden out in Canada. Some worshiped at the alter of drugs. Some drank to forget. Many have made many trips in and out of jail.

You should not wish for more of that and in fact you should be praying that what you are excited about never comes.

The idea that it is somehow worse now is a myth. Sadly some of my own Peers help propagate those myths because they don't want to admit the truth.

We thought we were fighting for Peace and Love and lost ourselves in the process. We were just going from thrill to thrill without concern for our own futures. We rationalized that what we were doing was for good, when in fact most were just having a big party.

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Star for ye...I am sick of hearing that fear is what is causing so much too.

Yeah, there is a fear of heights, spiders, etc.

But many people get fear and instinct mixed up - even the ones with either or.

To fear nothing is to fight for nothing.

There is some new type of mentality that the whole world is fearing the "powers". In a sense of its own - is making you condone it.

Like you said. Fear is a natural emotion. It is not bad - but a lot of the times, its our instinct telling us what the future presents.

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If that's how you feel than that's the reality you create for yourself. The power of intention is one of the universal laws of our existence. Look up the research of Dr. Masaru Emoto if you do not believe me.

If you feel everyone around you is going to want to kill you for what you have, these are the people you will attract into your environment, simple as. From the sound of it you have a very interesting ride ahead for you.

Me? I've already stockpiled my supply of seeds and water. I'm going to make sure all my neighbors have the capability to grow their own food. I know my neighbors, I know their families. I'm not enough of a sociopath to believe they will try and kill me after I have given them a means to grow their own food. If they do, so be it, what will I be able to do about it? I don't own a gun, and I refuse to buy one.

This might also just be the viewpoint in regards to our differing environments. I live in the country, my town's population is a little over 2000. We all know each other here. It will be survival of the fittest no doubt, if it ever comes to that point, but we take care of each other here.

Be specifically clear of your desires. Get connected. Believe. Be unattached to the outcome, and open to receiving. Deep down you have known all along what you need to survive and what to do about it. Its obvious we have taken differing paths in order to get to the same destination. I truly do hope to hear from you on the other side of this mess!

Oh, one more thing. I am a Zen Buddhist, I don't believe in 'New Age pipe dreams.'

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Exactly.

We have lived comfortable for so long that people have lost themselves. I don't care if you want to try to forge a Utopian society or whatever because I believe that we are free and we all have that right to pursue that. Just don't come around my way and try to tell me to conform to your vision.

They won't know what to do when they get that feeling in their gut and everything is telling them that something is wrong and they don't act on that feeling for whatever reason. There is one thing that I have learned in my few short years.

That is, you cannot change what does not want to change.

People have come along and tried to force us to conform to the way they think it should be. That is the reason why we are in the position that we are in now. Powerful people have come along and decided that we are going to conform to the way they want us to live. Look at where that has gotten us.