Originally posted by MoonMine
There is no sense in denying a lot of people will die, and there cannot be anything done if they themselves are not willing to change in a profound
way. It is difficult but not impossible. Remember the parameters: no more financial system.
So this what gets you so excited, as this thread is titled? In that groovy 60s mood? The prospect of millions, if not tens of millions, of deaths in
Stop a minute and think of the probability you admit to.
I'd also like to know just exactly what is your present situation--did I hit it pretty close? Got a couple acres out there on the edge of the burbs?
Nice deck off the back porch, with a compost pile? Is this all just a game for you?
You are stretching my ideas. I would not presume to disregard their plight, and I would expect you not to either. Again, form communities intead on
relying on a defunct government to help you.
I'm not stretching your ideas, I'm applying them to the real world; something you've been loathe to do while chanting about how wonderful an
opportunity global economic collapse will be. We can all go to some open land somewhere, which will not be already taken and defended, and grow
tomatoes in communes. This is our shiny new future, anarchy and a new bronze age? Sheesh!
But the fact is, your fantasy is just that, a fantasy. It has no root connection to reality. Your vision is saccarine and selfish and
No, it is not. What is heartless is believing in a system that has dehumanized individuals for decades, placing greed and consumption before
compassion and community.
I don't believe in this system, I think that is quite obvious by the end of my previous post, but I believe in your misguided fantasy even less. It
has no applicability to a huge, post-industrial civilization. It glides over the probable deaths of tens of millions and makes the Marin-County crowd,
with a few acres in the burbs, feel smug.
In the end, how different is it than David Rockefeller's goal of a global population of 500 million? Both just don't want to look at the necessary
genocide necessary to bring their visions to pass. Well, that's what both demand
I agree without reservation with that last part, but if I am to understand you correctly you have no answer for that family in NJ but to join
I simply believe there is a better way as I described. This is not egotistical by no means. Radical if you will, difficult, but certainly not an
Do not confuse the greater good of mankind with egoism by lifting out an example of hardship, this is more than obvious to me.
Thinking you can save everyone overnight is simply not possible.
That example should be multiplied by the millions, for it is tens of millions of lives we are really talking about here.
Stop and think, again. You are in denial about what you are proposing. The deaths of tens of millions by starvation, because, well, that just has to
be to have this post-apocalyptic love-in on Yasger's Farm.
And evoking "the greater good of mankind" for your genocide is no different than the reasoning behind the Rockefeller-backed depopulation scenarios.
You are just the inversion of the demons you think you are going to defeat with this fantasy, and just as morally bankrupt.
If you want a real solution to this crisis, it is not to destroy society back to the stone age so that you can live out your collectivist neo-hippy
elitist fantasies--which in the end are no different than those of your oppressors, and come with just as much death and suffering--but to actually
work to reinstate our Constitutional republic and accountability to the people.
The system is corrupted, but the basis of that system is the most enlightened and forward-looking form of society ever envisioned. It already has the
profound allegiance of the population, and for good reason--it is fair, humane, and just.
This crisis is an opportunity, I agree. That opportunity is to re-establish the founding principles of our society, and to overthrow the financial
kleptocracy. That is far more possible, and more beneficial to America, than this madness. They are on the ropes, as well. It is a moment of weakness
for them and for oppressive gov't as well, and allows real possibility for reform and rebirth. This is the only way to see a brighter future for
ourselves and future generations--a great re-awakening.