These are exciting times to be alive, just like the Sixties, page 1
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Topic started on 21-2-2009 @ 04:15 PM by MoonMine
Any flower power generation children listening?

I used to be envious of my parents for living as teenagers through the exciting sixties, the era of protest & revolution but really if you look at what is going on today I would say the current times trump the sixties.

* Imminent Collapse of Global Economies & Possibly Currencies
* Protests all over the world against economic situation and government
* tens of thousands of people losing their jobs daily, companies failing
* Israel threatening to attack Iran just to be sure they will not use a nuke against them (The elections are over)
* People rallying, grassroot organizations springing up all over the place (e.g. Restore The Republic)
* Even the media seems to be starting to crack at the seams (Rick Santini rant)
* Codex Alimentarius implementation end of this year (thanks)
* This is not just an American problem, it is global now.
* What´s with all the UFO sightings for the last couple of months?

And whatever else I forgot.

Make no mistake: I want the current financial system and the governments enforcing it to fail because I now see it´s very existence is based on corruption and lies. The child in me wants chaos because the adult in me says it is the only way to a new form of government, which is far from the centralised new world order envisioned by the global puppeteers...

What scares me the most is the right to use deadly force the governments have if any form of organized resistance materialises in the near future. They will set an example and it will not be by shooting rubber bullits. They will kill you without hesitation to set an example... And if people start doubting the use of big government they will invent something to correct your doubt to have you embrace that same government which is killing your chances of a decent future for your family.

I am not 100% ready for complete chaos but I am now seriously preparing for what in my mind is inevitable... I keep telling myself not to be scared but instead to be prepared. Not easy...

Exciting times... The only thing missing is the great music like The Doors, Hendrikx, Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, CSNY, etc etc



"Speak up... You´ve got to speak up against the madness... Don´t no don´t try to get yourself elected"

[edit on 21-2-2009 by MoonMine]


reply posted on 21-2-2009 @ 05:29 PM by MoonMine
Originally posted by gottago
I'd prefer less "excitement." Are you actually serious? The onset of a Depression far worse and virulent than that of 1929, wrapped up with the possibility of civil strife, gov't control, and general misery of heretofore unimaginable scale and intensity--you find invigorating?

Oh boy, are you naive. I assume you are so young that you have no relatives who lived through the last depression to give you a clue as to what to expect. If you did, you'd probably brush them off as "old windbags." And even '29 could very well pale in comparison to what is to come. We are on the precipice of a worldwide financial collapse of unprecedented breadth and depth. Wake up, don't be so childish.



Not sure who this is directed at, but I will giveitago, gottago.

Noone is arguing a storm is coming, least of all myself, please re-read.

Times are exciting because change is inevitable. Change is what made the Sixties exciting, but nothing compared to the change that is coming.

And no, I would not worry about people starving in the street just yet, although that may happen. It will not last because we are smarter than that.

The quicker we get this over with the quicker we can build a true society with true government. If a leg is festering would you prefer a slow sawing of the leg or a quick chop with an axe? Hopefully you see my point.

There will be suffering, but it should not last once everyone is on board.

Remember, in principle mankind is not evil and prepared to build self-supporting communities where everyone helps another faster than you can grow a tomato plant.

Long term, the future looks very bright. Short term.... Not so bright.

If you want you can speculate what would happen if all major banks were to fail within the next 12 months and the dollar would be worth 0,001 Eurocent.

Think communities.


reply posted on 21-2-2009 @ 05:42 PM by gottago
reply to post by MoonMine


See my added last paragraph that I just edited in. The sixties occurred in an unprecedented period of worldwide prosperity; they couldn't have occurred otherwise.

Yes, I think the idea is naive. This utopia is not going to take root as fast as a tomato plant, disabuse yourself of such nonsense. The coming depression will be long and hard. The meltdown has just barely started. And yet Japan is already in an officially declared depression, having lost over 12 % of its economic output in a year. Think about that--one year. They are the canary in the coal mine, as their economy is driven by exports and thus can be used as a bell-weather for what is to come.

That sharp and deep economic retraction is occurring right now in the US as we speak. The auto industry is about to collapse, taking with it 100s of thousands of jobs. BoA and Citibank are dead men walking. Wall street has yet to tell us about the $40 Trillion derivative bubble hiding in the closet, and yet we've already thrown $3 trillion of non-existent money to Wall Street for a bailout.

Look at reality, not tomato plants. This is a disaster in the making that you apparently can't fathom--neither its scale, nor its extent, nor its duration. It will take t least a decade to begin to recover from this.

Don't expect Haight-Ashbury II to rise from thiis coming misery.



[edit on 21-2-2009 by gottago]


reply posted on 21-2-2009 @ 05:55 PM by gottago
reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


Ok, if you want to talk in muzic-speak, get ready to start working for the clampdown.

Peace and love, see ya on the breadlines.


reply posted on 21-2-2009 @ 05:56 PM by MoonMine
OK, then let´s talk seriously for a moment.

You are basically saying that we will all go down in flames and everyone is going to run for the hills.

I am saying that in the worst of times the best will come out of people in the sense of community & support.

For argument´s sake let´s say tomorrow all your credit cards are no longer valid, you have no longer access to your bankaccount and you are out of a job.

Now, if it were just you...Bad. But imagine it is just the sam for everyone around you? The initial reaction would be to panic, riots, every man for himself, food looting and general lawnessless. But I guarantee you that within days communities will form (I will start my own) that will plant vegetables, build waterfilters from tubes filled with sand, etc. etc.

Small communities that will survive by helping its members to survive.

Thats not naive, that just practical thinking given the alternative is to starve and die in the road like a stray dog...

If you see someone less off will you help? Strength in numbers...

Let´s not forget there are a lot of communities already, a glimpse of who will do quite well in hard times you can catch over on the Survivalist forum right here on ATS. Hunting, farming, building. It is not hard if you are forced to & hunger is a very good advisor which will make you learn and build rather quickly, especially if your children start dying of malnutrition...

The looting and survival of the fittest will pass quickly and will be replaced by a community spirit. Really. So do not worry and try to remain positive.

Politics and big government should and probably will go, they don´t work anyway.

Nothing wrong with going back to nature and some honest work. It will do a lot of us a wholelotta good.


reply posted on 21-2-2009 @ 05:57 PM by watchZEITGEISTnow
reply to post by gottago


Pessimists will have a hard time agreed.

But you can always rely on the optimist to pep you up (and you know it).



wZn


reply posted on 21-2-2009 @ 06:09 PM by MoonMine
reply to post by St Udio


Noone wants the choke-hold which has been gradually tightened around our necks and which we have been warned about time and time again. But life was good, we were making money and driving around in Porches, what were those left wing liberalists talking about anyway...?

Times have sure changed. (I have sold my Porsche )

Seriously, it is no longer a question of left versus right, dems versus reps, black versus white or christians versus muslims.

All that remains is right versus wrong, and every soul knows deep down what is right and what is wrong, no matter what their background is.

This is what the proposed NWO is most afraid of: the awakening and looking beyond petty differences. (The eye opening in Zeitgeist if you will)

Good to see you again St Udio, I thought I was on your ignore list.


reply posted on 21-2-2009 @ 06:11 PM by gottago
reply to post by MoonMine


I read those survivalist threads too; the last one I saw was--seriously--about what was the best kind of wax to use on your crossbow string. Seriously. They don't sound like the sort of folks who are going to be building hippie communes with the neo tie-dye and birkenstock crowd. In their fantasies, they'd rather flay you alive and make jerky of you than sit around the campfire and sing insert-your-favorite-alternative-band's-love-and-light-anthem-here.

It's a nice fantasy; hey, if that's what gets you through this part of it, who am I to complain, in the end?

But fact is, facts are facts. This ain't the sixties. We are so indebted as a nation and individually that we are an open target for any sort of gov't manipulation they want to implement. And they will, you can be sure of that. It ain't gonna get better in the global meltdown, only worse.

If you sincerely think this climate is the time to dream of utopia, rather than that your dreams of utopia are an escape from these realities, then I can't change your mind. But facts are on my side.


[edit on 21-2-2009 by gottago]
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