reply to post by downtown436
Just to play Devil's Advocate...
According to Greenspan and others, the recent economic downturn is a once-in-a-century event. The economy is dynamic and cyclical. Although asset
bubbles are, by definition, unforecastable, it can be generally assumed that there will be periods of excessive or unjustified optimism and
exuberance. Corrections will follow, and equilibrium will be reached.
I think this implies that they know the old ways have to end. For example, with the advent of the Web, information about all of the dirty tricks,
illegal activities, and secret wars conducted by these institutions has begun to reach far and wide. Now take a look at websites like ATS. They are
here, in part, to help seed patently absurd information into the mix to help diffuse or deflect well-deserved criticism of the institutions and their
policies. Also, they are here to serve as a honeypot to catch would-be fanatics and zealots who would use violence to threaten the status quo. None of
this would be necessary if it weren't for the background which is essentially good news - that sunlight is making its way into the system.
I think that the legal maneuvers to override civil liberties are also an expression of desperation, which highlights the essential positive turn in
the background of our lives. What I mean to say is that anything that the DoJ has sanctioned (or the White House) over the past 8 years was already
being done, but without legal basis. The very fact that the issue has moved into the courts demonstrates that the tight fist of government is
squeezing all of the water out of its grasp.
-Decline into Socialism
Now, what do you mean by "decline"? Also, much of this issue is nothing but baked air. For example, did you know that your taxes are now and have
always been paying for medical care for poor folks? It's true - only your dollars have been used in the least efficient way possible, and have been
receiving the least possible return on their investment. A hybridized medical system that allowed poor folks to receive adequate preventative medicine
will result in better outcomes, improved productivity, declining chronic, treatable illnesses, etc. It will also allow you to continue to seek out
private specialists if you can afford it.
The other part of this issue is a matter of a debate over value. This is a long one, so I'm going to condense it into one sentence. If you think
value = money, then you are operating on a false value system, and false values are what brought us to this low point, economically, in the first
You know, we have always been brainwashed. That's the fact of it. My grandparents' generation were completely caught up in a grand story of America
and the world at large that bore no real relationship to reality. Here's one tiny, picayune example: There was an old John Wayne movie in which the
bad guys were communists here in America. In one scene, Wayne and his fellow agents bust in on a communist meeting and began throwing righteous
punches right away with no obvious provocation. Now, Communism and its fans are protected under the law. You have the right today to embrace any
political, social, religious, or economic theory you choose. On paper, you would have had the same right back then, too. Yet, somehow in practice it
didn't work out that way. The discrepancy between reality and law was accepted then in a way that will no longer stand.
You have me there.
[edit on 20-2-2009 by jorgeborge]